Politics Oregon Gov candidates

[Stevenson]

I just cant stand Tina Kotek.

Why?

 

[Stevenson]

Christine Drazen has an 'A' rating from the NRA.

So does Betsy Johnson.

 

[TBpup]

Pro-Gun Rights as a State Senator, Betsy Johnson Is Now Open to Gun Control in Her Bid for Governor

FWIW I don't trust her either, and her flipflopping doesn't make it any easier.

I think you can believe in gun rights and gun control at the same time. This will probably get me a lot of flack, but why can't someone own a gun that goes through the proper checks and training. If they want a larger, higher caliber gun, they have to go through more training.

We require different licenses for every level of driving.....cars, commercial, buses, 18-wheelers, etc. Why not checks/training for for any gun and then additional for something more?

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I think you can believe in gun rights and gun control at the same time. This will probably get me a lot of flack, but why can't someone own a gun that goes through the proper checks and training. If they want a larger, higher caliber gun, they have to go through more training.

We require different licenses for every level of driving.....cars, commercial, buses, 18-wheelers, etc. Why not checks/training for for any gun and then additional for something more?

That shouldn’t catch you any flack at all. It’s what we are asking for.
Just no more open sales at gun shows and unlicensed ownership.

 

[Voodoo]

Actually I got the opportunity to show her around my work and talk to her for an extended period of time. She’s really sharp and has a very solid plan for the state.

What’s her plan?

 

[Chris Craig]

I think you can believe in gun rights and gun control at the same time. This will probably get me a lot of flack, but why can't someone own a gun that goes through the proper checks and training. If they want a larger, higher caliber gun, they have to go through more training.

We require different licenses for every level of driving.....cars, commercial, buses, 18-wheelers, etc. Why not checks/training for for any gun and then additional for something more?

I believe in both. Many of us here believe in both.

This is part of what most of us have been asking for.

 

[Shaboid]

I think you can believe in gun rights and gun control at the same time. This will probably get me a lot of flack, but why can't someone own a gun that goes through the proper checks and training. If they want a larger, higher caliber gun, they have to go through more training.

We require different licenses for every level of driving.....cars, commercial, buses, 18-wheelers, etc. Why not checks/training for for any gun and then additional for something more?

100% cool with that. No flack.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

What’s her plan?

Pretty extensive but you can check it out here.
https://www.tinafororegon.com/priorities/

Thing is she has been working on all of this for a very long time and knows quite a bit about all the issues.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think this is going to be a neck and neck three way race. And Drazan may just slide in because Kotex is waaaayyyy too liberal for many Oregonians (and is too closely tied....unfair or not....to an unpopular Kate Brown), and Johnson's pro gun leanings became an even bigger liability this past week or two. I personally can't bring myself to vote for either one and will likely not cast a vote for any gubernatorial candidate. But I won't be shocked if Drazan wins pretty much by default, as the other two candidates are more polarizing than her. But then, Trump could give her the kiss of death and endorse her. Whatever happens, this could be the most interesting governors race in my lifetime.......

How do you see the race at this point shaping up? Does Kotek win going away? I think she will as I see the other two eating each other.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

How do you see the race at this point shaping up? Does Kotex win going away? I think she will as I see the other two eating each other.

Unfortunately, I think Portland area voters will put Kotek over the top, with help (as you point out) from Johnson and Drazan cancelling each other out. I am not excited about this race. All candidates are certainly qualified but they all come with too much baggage for my taste. Kotek is far too progressive for the moment, Johnson seems like a self entitled loose cannon and Drazan is a Republican (enough said). I will likely leave my ballot blank for that particular race.

 

[Chris Craig]

Drazen doesn't stand a chance in hell. It could be close between Kotek and Johnson but who knows.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Drazen doesn't stand a chance in hell. It could be close between Kotek and Johnson but who knows.

Idk. She has been campaigning with ads hard and makes some good points. She wants to clean up the homeless off the streets. So do the others but they say it in a touchy feely sort of way. Drazan says it as a matter of fact.

Even though she is Republican, I think that will resonate with a lot of people.

I don't believe I will vote for her. But I could see a lot of people doing so.

 

[Shaboid]

 

[Chris Craig]

Idk. She has been campaigning with ads hard and makes some good points. She wants to clean up the homeless off the streets. So do the others but they say it in a touchy feely sort of way. Drazan says it as a matter of fact.

Even though she is Republican, I think that will resonate with a lot of people.

I don't believe I will vote for her. But I could see a lot of people doing so.

She is probably just planning on throwing all the homeless people in jail.

I don't see that many liberals voting for a republican, especially a Trumplican.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I think you can believe in gun rights and gun control at the same time. This will probably get me a lot of flack, but why can't someone own a gun that goes through the proper checks and training. If they want a larger, higher caliber gun, they have to go through more training.

We require different licenses for every level of driving.....cars, commercial, buses, 18-wheelers, etc. Why not checks/training for for any gun and then additional for something more?

Quit!!!!
That starts to make sense! Just quit it will ya?

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think you can believe in gun rights and gun control at the same time. This will probably get me a lot of flack,

No flack at all from me. It's a conversation that needs to be had, IMO. We have discussed it quite a bit in the "Cold Dead Hands" thread. If anybody prefers to go there, I'm more than willing.

but why can't someone own a gun that goes through the proper checks and training. If they want a larger, higher caliber gun, they have to go through more training.

We can currently go through proper checks and training. There is nothing preventing that. We can't require it without amending the constitution.

We require different licenses for every level of driving.....cars, commercial, buses, 18-wheelers, etc. Why not checks/training for for any gun and then additional for something more?

We can't require this on guns because it has been determined numerous times that the constitution prohibits it. The supreme court is not going to reverse these decisions for decades, if ever.

In order to get around the supreme court, we'd have to do a constitutional amendment. This requires the support of 75% of US states. That would be 38 states. 35 states currently support permitless open carry, and are opposed to further gun control. This, after 7 states joined the prior 28 states just last year. So the momentum is going completely the wrong direction.

Strict gun control is being ruled unconstitutional in state after state.

Those are the reasons we can't have what you are suggesting for at least several decades.

That doesn't mean we can't address gun crime. It just means we can't address it by restricting access to guns.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

No flack at all from me. It's a conversation that needs to be had, IMO. We have discussed it quite a bit in the "Cold Dead Hands" thread. If anybody prefers to go there, I'm more than willing.


We can currently go through proper checks and training. There is nothing preventing that. We can't require it without amending the constitution.


We can't require this on guns because it has been determined numerous times that the constitution prohibits it. The supreme court is not going to reverse these decisions for decades, if ever.

In order to get around the supreme court, we'd have to do a constitutional amendment. This requires the support of 75% of US states. That would be 38 states. 35 states currently support permitless open carry, and are opposed to further gun control. This, after 7 states joined the prior 28 states just last year. So the momentum is going completely the wrong direction.

Strict gun control is being ruled unconstitutional in state after state.

Those are the reasons we can't have what you are suggesting for at least several decades.

That doesn't mean we can't address gun crime. It just means we can't address it by restricting access to guns.

We've had these conversations already. As far as I'm concerned these are extremely lazy takes.
Four different times you actually wrote "We Can't".

Yes We Can and it should not take decades.

Carry on.

 

[Hoopguru]

I would but dont know how?
Could someone start a poll for OR GOV
Include the three and other
Thanks

 

[Phatguysrule]

We've had these conversations already. As far as I'm concerned these are extremely lazy takes.
Four different times you actually wrote "We Can't".

Yes We Can and it should not take decades.

Carry on.

Well, the question was "why can't we". So I answered that question.

Rather than replying with veiled insults and semantics, I would suggest addressing the actual post.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We've had these conversations already. As far as I'm concerned these are extremely lazy takes.
Four different times you actually wrote "We Can't".

Yes We Can and it should not take decades.

Carry on.

We can...what? Pass laws that violate the constitution? Sure--but they'll get overturned, so what's the point?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

She is probably just planning on throwing all the homeless people in jail.

I don't see that many liberals voting for a republican, especially a Trumplican.

Maybe not, but most of the moderates could. I know liberals that are fed up with the homeless on the streets too.

 

[ABM]

Maybe not, but most of the moderates could. I know liberals that are fed up with the homeless on the streets too.

Well put.

 

[Chris Craig]

Maybe not, but most of the moderates could. I know liberals that are fed up with the homeless on the streets too.

I think they are more likely to vote for Betsy.

 

[barfo]

Maybe not, but most of the moderates could. I know liberals that are fed up with the homeless on the streets too.

But do you know liberals stupid enough to think that electing Drazan as governor is going to make it better?

Or either of the other two, for that matter?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerCat]

But do you know liberals stupid enough to think that electing Drazan as governor is going to make it better?

Or either of the other two, for that matter?

barfo

Unfortunately, I think I do. And her ads have hit those talking points, irregardless of if she makes a difference or not.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

Well, the question was "why can't we". So I answered that question.

Rather than replying with veiled insults and semantics, I would suggest addressing the actual post.

There was no insults and it wasn’t veiled. My opinion stands. The take is lazy. There were absolutely no semantics issues here either. The post literally said “We Can’t “ four times.
That was addressing the post. As is this one as well.

 

[Phatguysrule]

There was no insults and it wasn’t veiled. My opinion stands. The take is lazy. There were absolutely no semantics issues here either. The post literally said “We Can’t “ four times.
That was addressing the post. As is this one as well.

Lol

Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

 

[Haakzilla]

...all I know is that "they" don't seem to like Kate Brown much over here in beautiful Central Oregon

 

[Hoopguru]

Betsy kicking ass!

 

[riverman]

I was in Sweet Home for a wedding yesterday...the first time I've been there or Brownsville and the other small towns heading up the mountains. Lots of Betsy Johnson billboards and that's in the middle of farmland galore..didn't see a Suburu anywhere or a Prius...that's some Big Truck country. Reminded me of Prineville a bit. Was pretty up there ...some thick healthy looking trees.