OREGON MINIMUM WAGE SET AT $14.75 AFTER GOVERNOR SIGNED THE BILL AMIDST OPPOSITION’S DEFIANCE

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blue32 said:
Yeah, I thought so. I have no problem deporting people that have broken the law. As a Nation and a taxpayer we should not have to support people that come here illegally; services, infrastructure, etc.
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If they pay taxes, why not provide services?

The constitution requires equal treatment under the law for citizens and non-citizens alike. Thank goodness.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, lets deport all the illegals.

And lets deport all of the people who have hired them and profited off of them.

There are at least 3 finance companies in Oregon that will lend an illegal money to buy a car. I know illegals who actually have home mortgages in their names. You honestly don't think there has never been a single illegal Mexican working at a Trump golf course?

Not all of the illegals are drug dealers and rapists, the vast majority come here to get work. If there wasn't work they wouldn't come here.
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I think this is the perfect time to say something nobody mentions....there are plenty of Americans living illegally in other countries..I've met a few in my travels. If folks think our crooks have never hidden out in Mexico, Central or South America...they are missing out on some great movie of the week plots..but we tend to park our armies and money and crooks all over the globe.
 
We should apply the Trump treatment to illegal drugs, arrest and imprison all of the users for life but leave the dealers alone. If there is no one left to use illegal drugs, we won't have an illegal drug problem!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
If you truly want to put a YUGE dent in illegal immigration then we need to increase and enforce the penalties for hiring them
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Actually, that is all you need to do. There would be no need to deport anyone other than criminals. No job, they go home. They come back when there are legal jobs. Simple.

I worked in Japan for about 6 weeks once. It was not legal until I obtained a work visa, which I could not get on my own. A fellow name Toyota San got it for me legally.
It was good for six weeks, then I went home. No job you know.
 
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MarAzul said:
Actually, that is all you need to do. There would be no need to deport anyone other than criminals. No job, the go home. The come back when there are legal jobs. Simple.

I worked in Japan for about 6 weeks once. It was not legal until I obtained a work visa, which I could not get on my own. A fellow name Toyota San got it for me legally.
It was good for six weeks, then I went home. No job you know.
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When I first got a work permit overseas the kicker was for the first 6 months I had to pay 20% more tax than a resident...after that it went down. You can get a guaranteur to sponsor you and you can do that here too. Employers here don't want to pay that tax...if they did, it wouldn't be so attractive to work under the table. The system is broken but it's not the laborer's fault, it's the supply and demand that give it a place to happen.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes, lets deport all the illegals.

And lets deport all of the people who have hired them and profited off of them.

There are at least 3 finance companies in Oregon that will lend an illegal money to buy a car. I know illegals who actually have home mortgages in their names. You honestly don't think there has never been a single illegal Mexican working at a Trump golf course?

Not all of the illegals are drug dealers and rapists, the vast majority come here to get work. If there wasn't work they wouldn't come here.
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Can you blame them with $15 minmum wage? They can afford to send mansion money to the family in mexico and a good U.S. lawyer to get off all the rape charges in the states.
 
In places where the minimum wage has gone up, some employees are asking for reduced hours just so they can keep their state benefits. They will be the first ones to lose their jobs, and they obviously have no drive to get off their dependence from the government. So now they drain our social programs even more.

I went to college, worked a crap job to pay the bills. After graduating I got a internship that paid $12, worked my way up to get hired on as a contractor at $18, then finally got hired on full time with a decent salary. At 27 I bought my house, 8 months later got laid off in a labor force reduction. Once again took temp jobs to pay the bills, rented out a bedroom in my house to help with the mortgage and eventually got hired on at my current company. It has been a crazy 3 years, but it made me realize that life isn't easy. Being unemployed sucked, but I got through it.

I have no remorse of people who just give up and stop trying. If you are trying to live on minimum wage, you have made some pretty crappy decisions in your life. It really isn't that hard to find a job that pays more than that if you have any kind of work ethic or skills.
 
Denny Crane said:
If they pay taxes, why not provide services?

The constitution requires equal treatment under the law for citizens and non-citizens alike. Thank goodness.
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The point is Denny, it's against the law to be here illegally; and I am sure many of them do not pay taxes but use the provided infrastructure and services. Which is why I support Trumps immigration reform. Sorry man, but we just have differing opinions here. :)
 
blue32 said:
The point is Denny, it's against the law to be here illegally; and I am sure many of them do not pay taxes but use the provided infrastructure and services. Which is why I support Trumps immigration reform. Sorry man, but we just have differing opinions here. :)
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Smoking pot is illegal. Jaywalking is illegal. Throw everyone in jail?

The severity of the "crime" matters, and this is not a severe "crime" at all.
 
riverman said:
Not where I live!
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It's illegal in all 50 states. Federal law trumps state law, don't you know.

That the feds choose not to pursue it makes my point. There are severities of crimes - some so puny it isn't even pursuing.

I can see why jaywalking should be still on the books, if not but rarely used. If someone jaywalks and causes a 10 car accident, he's basically at fault and the crime does matter in that case.
 
Denny Crane said:
It's illegal in all 50 states. Federal law trumps state law, don't you know.

That the feds choose not to pursue it makes my point. There are severities of crimes - some so puny it isn't even pursuing.

I can see why jaywalking should be still on the books, if not but rarely used. If someone jaywalks and causes a 10 car accident, he's basically at fault and the crime does matter in that case.
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It's legal here...and law and trump should never be used together in a sentence please
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So now you're advocating hiring illegal Mexican attorneys.

Maybe it's you we should be building the wall around!
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I concluded a few years ago that my greatness might be too much for the world, thus I live an introverted life style and drink a lot of beer, the wall is pretty much there, metaphorically speaking.
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
I concluded a few years ago that my greatness might be too much for the world, thus I live an introverted life style and drink a lot of beer, the wall is pretty much there, metaphorically speaking.
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Wow, those are the exact qualities we look for in forum moderators.
 
What really sucks are all the after school jobs that small business owners had for kids to help them out. I know multiple people that would hire a kid to come in, sweep the shop, do little odds and ends that they really don't need to hire someone for, but they want to do their part on getting kids that want to work, jobs. Well, at $14+ an hour, that is a luxury they have said they will probably cut. Now this generation that thinks they are owed something and poor work ethic will suffer even more. Sad.
 
Raising the minimum wage over a stretched out period is not going to work..inflation will have gone up by then to the point that it doesn't matter...rent is already far to high...minimum eage should go up immediately with a cap on inflation that allows for a period of adjustment...the state is basically allowing us to come up for air momentairly before we are dragged back down below the water to drown
 
I can't find a form to apply for the back fill when the owner of the business is making less that 15 bucks an hour.
Did Washington and Oregon both leave this undone?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
How much do you feel you're owed?
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http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/or...positions-defiance.297050/page-7#post-3844940

I wasn't thinking about me. These restaurant owners doing 700k of business, making 28k a year. I would guess they are make about 9.33 and hour. Probably not that much when they begin paying 15 bucks for help. I wonder how many will do it? When I was wheat farming, I only made about 10 bucks and hour but I had other reason for doing it. Long tale there but it is sort of
difficult to image the other reasons thing applying to the restaurants, so I don't know why they would do it.
 
MarAzul said:
I wasn't thinking about me. These restaurant owners doing 700k of business, making 28k a year. I would guess they are make about 9.33 and hour. Probably not that much when they begin paying 15 bucks for help. I wonder how many will do it? When I was wheat farming, I only made about 10 bucks and hour but I had other reason for doing it. Long tale there but it is sort of
difficult to image the other reasons thing applying to the restaurants, so I don't know why they would do it.
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It's perhaps interesting that in that article, none of the closing restaurants cited wages as the reason they were closing. The only one who talked about wages was the restaurant lobbyist.

So, y'know, maybe his figures are a bit misleading.

barfo
 
barfo said:
It's perhaps interesting that in that article, none of the closing restaurants cited wages as the reason they were closing. The only one who talked about wages was the restaurant lobbyist.

So, y'know, maybe his figures are a bit misleading.

barfo
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Maybe you are on it! Perhaps the guy was lying, and the owners will benefit greatly by this law. Geez wouldn't it be wonderful if they began paying all the help 20 buck because it helps their profit
so much. Good detective work sir!
 
MarAzul said:
Maybe you are on it! Perhaps the guy was lying, and the owners will benefit greatly by this law. Geez wouldn't it be wonderful if they began paying all the help 20 buck because it helps their profit
so much. Good detective work sir!
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barfo has a Nobel for left wing economics.
 
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