Oregon may be the next state to legalize adult consumption of marijuana

[PDXFonz]

Not sure where you get your impressions of the effects of mj, but your way off. While the by-products of THC (active ingredient) stays in your system for a long time (stored in fat cells), the mind altering effects are short lived and certainly does not last for days.

I think it is safe to say that alcohol causes more violence, deaths and guessing job loss than marijuana.

And if it comes down to addiction, I would much rather be addicted to marijuana (psychological addiction) than to be a alcoholic (physical addiction).

I don't think alcohol should be banned (think of all the money the state losses ), but alcohol is a drug that causes more problems in society than mj.

Seriously I don't think anyone said money is the right reason, but it is THE REASON that the federal government would legalize it nationwide. It's not a surprise that money is all they care about, right?

 

[MarAzul]

I don't know man I've had days where I feel drunk the entire day after. Haven't had that bad of a hangover with marijuana.

I agree with the majority though. You just need to be responsible about how you use it. Don't smoke and drive, don't drink and drive.

If you have a hangover the entire next day, you got a little more than half on your ass. No you will not function well at work at that point. The pot smorkers feel fine at work
but of course they don't do shit.

I am quite convinced that people do not need this debate, people do not need another drug they can legally use, only to discover, they need to learn they don't need it.

It always mystifies me, that after years of this and in the light of the facts there are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be completely free of drugs, and learning this, was the most difficult thing to do, we still have new comers to the trap that will fail to listen.
Protest even that they know better, it doesn't affect me.

 

[RR7]

If you have a hangover the entire next day, you got a little more than half on your ass. No you will not function well at work at that point. The pot smorkers feel fine at work
but of course they don't do shit.

I am quite convinced that people do not need this debate, people do not need another drug they can legally use, only to discover, they need to learn they don't need it.

It always mystifies me, that after years of this and in the light of the facts there are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be completely free of drugs, and learning that was the most difficult thing to do, we still have new comers to the trap that will fail to listen.
Protest even that their know better, it doesn't affect me.

Do you use one of those devices that types for you while you speak?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Seriously I don't think anyone said money is the right reason, but it is THE REASON that the federal government would legalize it nationwide. It's not a surprise that money is all they care about, right?

It is surprising to me. I would hope our gov't balances social issues and the like when it comes to increasing revenue. If all they cared about was money, why not legalize cocaine? But here we go full circle again . . . . .

BTW- I think I know where you are coming from, if mj can be successful as a legal drug in states, fed will jump on board and legalize it on a federal level, but mainly because they want their cut ($). If Colorado and Washington go to shit because of legalized mj, feds will step away and say I told you so.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Since I somehow got wrapped up in this thread, I should make my position clear.

I think both alcohol and mj should be legal because I think that it is a personal decision each person should be able to make. Whatever negatives each drug brings upon our society (and there is a list) is not outweighed by the idea that each drug can be used safely, moderately and create a positive experience for many and we deserve to be able to choose. I also like the idea of letting each state decide if alcohol and/or mj should be legal and I think the feds should stay out of it entirely. If they want their cut, fine, but let the states decide.

 

[Sinobas]

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[barfo]

It always mystifies me, that after years of this and in the light of the facts there are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be completely free of drugs

There are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be a Scientologist, or to eat at McDonalds, or to watch golf on TV. Doesn't make it so.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

There are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be a Scientologist, or to eat at McDonalds, or to watch golf on TV. Doesn't make it so.

barfo

Yep, you do persuade me that this shit will continue

 

[PDXFonz]

There are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be a Scientologist, or to eat at McDonalds, or to watch golf on TV. Doesn't make it so.

barfo

Holy shit lol! Repped

Love me some mc Donald's though! I just make sure to eat it very rarely. Bacon mcgangbangs are my shit!

 

[Denny Crane]

There are thousands of people that will tell you that it is wonderful to be a Scientologist, or to eat at McDonalds, or to watch golf on TV. Doesn't make it so.

barfo

You realize we Libertarians are winning. Legalization is a long-time Libertarian position (no such thing as a victimless crime). The tide is turning our way.

 

[blue32]

Not sure where you get your impressions of the effects of mj, but your way off. While the by-products of THC (active ingredient) stays in your system for a long time (stored in fat cells), the mind altering effects are short lived and certainly does not last for days.

I think it is safe to say that alcohol causes more violence, deaths and guessing job loss than marijuana.

And if it comes down to addiction, I would much rather be addicted to marijuana (psychological addiction) than to be a alcoholic (physical addiction).

I don't think alcohol should be banned (think of all the money the state losses ), but alcohol is a drug that causes more problems in society than mj.

Yeah, pretty much.

Alcohol is MUCH more deadlier than MJ. But Alcohol is legal, thus people turn a blind eye. Think of all the addicts in rehab for booze; now ask yourself, have you ever heard of people going to rehab for months because of MJ? Probably very rare.

The problem w/MJ is the fact that its illegal in many places for whatever reason and the tons of negative publicity that it elicits from the Govt/States. So people are effectively brain washed into thinking its 10x worse than alcohol...

The problem with EACH drug, is the user. Of course the Captain Morgans commercials would have you thinking otherwise! I wonder if they'll ever be MJ commercials, lol.

I don't smoke, never have gotten into it, but saying it's worse than alcohol for people is a complete farce.

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, pretty much.

Alcohol is MUCH more deadlier than MJ. But Alcohol is legal, thus people turn a blind eye. Think of all the addicts in rehab for booze; now ask yourself, have you ever heard of people going to rehab for months because of MJ? Probably very rare.

The problem w/MJ is the fact that its illegal in many places for whatever reason and the tons of negative publicity that it elicits from the Govt/States. So people are effectively brain washed into thinking its 10x worse than alcohol...

The problem with EACH drug, is the user. Of course the Captain Morgans commercials would have you thinking otherwise! I wonder if they'll ever be MJ commercials, lol.

I don't smoke, never have gotten into it, but saying it's worse than alcohol for people is a complete farce.

The problem with MJ has nothing to do with alcohol, Alcohol is a problem for people with certain character types. MJ is a problem for anyone that uses it.
The two are unrelated and really not comparable, nor can one justify the other.
Both are another problem for people to be confronted with and that is unfortunate.

I don't want to see MJ illegal to have or use but I do want it to be illegal for anyone to sell.
If anyone sells it to a kid, I want his ass whipped in the public square the first time and a long time in jail for another offence.

 

[porkchopexpress]

The problem with MJ has nothing to do with alcohol, Alcohol is a problem for people with certain character types. MJ is a problem for anyone that uses it.
The two are unrelated and really not comparable, nor can one justify the other.
Both are another problem for people to be confronted with and that is unfortunate.

I don't want to see MJ illegal to have or use but I do want it to be illegal for anyone to sell.
If anyone sells it to a kid, I want his ass whipped in the public square the first time and a long time in jail for another offence.

Wha??? How is it a problem for everyone who uses it. Just cause you can test positive fore it weeks later, doesn't mean you're under the influence for that entire length of time. In the end, why should it matter if at the end of the day someone goes home and has a scotch, a beer or a joint?

And I'm sorry to tell you, but as a teenager (10 or so years ago), it was much much much easier to buy pot than booze or cigarettes. If anything, making it legal, but controlled, will make it harder for kids to buy.

 

[MarAzul]

Wha??? How is it a problem for everyone who uses it. Just cause you can test positive fore it weeks later, doesn't mean you're under the influence for that entire length of time. In the end, why should it matter if at the end of the day someone goes home and has a scotch, a beer or a joint?

And I'm sorry to tell you, but as a teenager (10 or so years ago), it was much much much easier to buy pot than booze or cigarettes. If anything, making it legal, but controlled, will make it harder for kids to buy.

Have you ever needed to send someone to treatment because they cared more about their nightly session with MJ than doing there job.?
Have you ever seen people in detox for long excessive use of booze or MJ?
Did you know it takes much longer to successful detox a long time MJ abuser than it does the long time Alcohol abuser?
Did you know the treatment programs for long time alcohol abusers is far more successful than the programs to treat long time MJ abuse?
Do you have any idea why it is more difficult to treat the long time MJ abuser than the long time alcohol abuser?

Willie Nelson is the only long time pot user I know that has been very successful doing it. Sometimes I wonder if he isn't also the one of the
top BSers as well as successful musician song writer.

Please post your experience if you have any these areas, I am sure it would help someone if they really want to know.

There is one caveat to the successful treatment of the long time alcohol abuser, you have to get the person into treatment before they are dead. Usually the window there is not open all that long.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_dependence

(but so what?)

 

[PDXFonz]

Have you ever needed to send someone to treatment because they cared more about their nightly session with MJ than doing there job.?
Have you ever seen people in detox for long excessive use of booze or MJ?
Did you know it takes much longer to successful detox a long time MJ abuser than it does the long time Alcohol abuser?
Did you know the treatment programs for long time alcohol abusers is far more successful than the programs to treat long time MJ abuse?
Do you have any idea why it is more difficult to treat the long time MJ abuser than the long time alcohol abuser?

Please post your experience if you have any these areas, I am sure it would help someone if they really want to know.

There is one caveat to the successful treatment of the long time alcohol abuser, you have to get the person into treatment before they are dead. Usually the window there is not open all that long.

Dude I really don't know where you are getting your facts on marijuana...Are you Bobby Boucher and your mother taught you everything?

Did you know that long time marijuana use won't kill you?
Did you know that long time alcohol use will kill you?
Did you know that it is incomprehensible to me that some one in today's day and age actually thought when you get high it lasts for weeks?

Don't get me wrong I agree people shouldn't sell to children, but public whipping? I assume you were being sarcastic, but I can't tell with you...

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis

Again, so what?

 

[MarAzul]

(but so what?)

Indeed! I don't give a shit if you do it. Just don't sell it and above all, leave the kids alone.

 

[PDXFonz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_dependence

(but so what?)

1. That is Wikipedia which strongly lacks ethos, and I don't care to go traverse through the references to find credible sources.

Let's assume that is correct.

2. Notice how it says "In the US, as of 2013 cannabis is the substance most commonly identified used by people admitted to treatment facilities." Which is not necessarily stating that MJ is the most common reason people seek treatment.

 

[Denny Crane]

You can drown in water. I don't see that danger as a reason to outlaw it.

 

[Denny Crane]

1. That is Wikipedia which strongly lacks ethos, and I don't care to go traverse through the references to find credible sources.

Let's assume that is correct.

2. Notice how it says "In the US, as of 2013 cannabis is the substance most commonly identified used by people admitted to treatment facilities." Which is not necessarily stating that MJ is the most common reason people seek treatment.

Like your balls?

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/study-links-marijuana-use-to-testicular-cancer

 

[MarAzul]

Dude I really don't know where you are getting your facts on marijuana...Are you Bobby Boucher and your mother taught you everything?

>>> You have more guess chits

Did you know that long time marijuana use won't kill you?

>>> Yeah! Now that has a lot to do with why it become more difficult to treat the dysfunctional MJ abuser. They never reach the point of self motivation and want help
Continuing life on the weed seems to be the end of the story even though they may have lost their job and can't get back there again.

Did you know that long time alcohol use will kill you?

>>>> Yeah! I said that above. They get sick and hurt from prolonged abuse to the point more booze only fixes the problem for minutes. Then they can be helped, they want help
Detox and stay off the stuff for about week for every year they abused the stuff and "learn they don't need the shit", recovery is possible.

Did you know that it is incomprehensible to me that some one in today's day and age actually thought when you get high it lasts for weeks?

>>> You said this, not me. I say the THC stays in your body a very long time and the effects on you brain last much longer than alcohol does. People do become incapable of doing their job from repeated abuse of MJ.

Don't get me wrong I agree people shouldn't sell to children, but public whipping? I assume you were being sarcastic, but I can't tell with you...

>>> What do you think is appropriate for the asshole that sells MJ to the kids? Please offer the alternative to my public ass whipping.

Responses imbedded

 

[PDXFonz]

Responses imbedded

A large fine which would go to local schools. And prison time.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

You can drown in water. I don't see that danger as a reason to outlaw it.

As long as you don't sell water to the kids . . .

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[MarAzul]

Ha! Geez, I think that speak to the state of the nation.

 

[barfo]

You realize we Libertarians are winning. Legalization is a long-time Libertarian position (no such thing as a victimless crime). The tide is turning our way.

And I salute you for that. You Libertarians are actually correct on this issue, and you deserve the win.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Alcohol is a problem for people with certain character types. MJ is a problem for anyone that uses it.

That's a ridiculous statement.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

And I salute you for that. You Libertarians are actually correct on this issue, and you deserve the win.

barfo

On all the issues. You'll see.

Democrats and republicans have given us war and poverty and dependence on the state and high taxes to pay for it all.

Gradually people will fully come around.

 

[blue32]

That's a ridiculous statement.

barfo

Yeah when I read that I decided the debate is no longer worth it. Dude is brainwashed. What's funny is I don't even like MJ so I could care f'n less about this situation, but to have that position is just ignorant.