OREGON MINIMUM WAGE SET AT $14.75 AFTER GOVERNOR SIGNED THE BILL AMIDST OPPOSITION’S DEFIANCE

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Minimum wage is a starter job, learn some skills and prove you can show up all the time and work hard and your pay will increase. Good hard workers are always in demand. We did a disservice to young kids by making it illegal for them to work they do not learn the work ethic needed to succeed. Wages will have to go up across the board because of the higher minimum wage, people with skills will expect more also.
As for Social Security, it was never meant to be a living wage either just a portion of what you need to retire on. If the gov is going to dictate pay then S.S. needs to be tied to minimum wage where they both go up together.
So many people today want the government to pay for or control everything, I would like the government to get out of our lives, take less in taxes and let us decide how to spend our money.
It is very interesting in this country the Dems vs Republicans, 1 is far left and 1 is far right and we need a version closer to the middle.
This could be Trump, his own party is fighting harder to keep him from being elected than they fought Obama.

It would be better if all states voted the same, primaries are different being open or closed to out of party voters and Caucuses are there to change your vote, straight up or down vote by all seems the most fair. Delegates some states they are divided other states are winner take all, either way make them the same.

Last get big corporation money out of the primaries and have all primaries with in about 3 months to get it over with.
 
Aly said:
As for Social Security, it was never meant to be a living wage either just a portion of what you need to retire on. If the gov is going to dictate pay then S.S. needs to be tied to minimum wage where they both go up together.
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Actually when SS was started average life expectancy was 59yrs, with SS kicking in at age 65.

Current US life expectancy is 79yrs. We could give everyone a huge increase if we didn't start paying out until they turned 85.
 
I like it...in 2022 when it kicks in all you young fuckers will be able to pay for my social security!
 
dviss1 said:
my type because I'm black
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If I had to guess what the man was speaking about, I would have guessed, liberal.
Your first guess is Black.
Then Sly comes with the first guess about your bigness as, Dick.
I would have guessed, mouth, then liberal.

Is there a tie here I need to know about? Asperger's in the way again?
 
Lincoln's plan for the slaves he freed were as lacking as Clinton's plans for Libya. Most of the lands worked by the slave probably, rightfully should have been redistributed to new owners. It was not,
most was sold at action for back taxes and the slaves were just moved out of the way. Much of the land went to Northern bidders.
The great Lincoln's only plan for the slaves was repatriation back to African, Liberia. Those that think the war was about slavery really need to study the actual history. Some slaves did come out of the fracas and turmoil owning a bit of land, most were not even permitted to own land until after the 14th amendment was passed making them citizens. This, some how began the myth of 40 acres and a Mule.

Lincoln was assassinated before he could execute his plan for the slaves, but I am not so sure this was of any help, Grant's did not seem ( my historical view) to give a damn at all what happened with the former slaves or the multitude of white non slave owners through out the South. Exploitation of the people of the South by the Northern powerful went on for decades. The north wanted the South to take it rightful place as consumers in their industrial economy and that was the extent of their concern. But then, this pretty much cause the war to begin, no reason to expect a change in the goal after a win.
 
MarAzul said:
Lincoln's plan for the slaves he freed were as lacking as Clinton's plans for Libya. Most of the lands worked by the slave probably, rightfully should have been redistributed to new owners. It was not,
most was sold at action for back taxes and the slaves were just moved out of the way. Much of the land went to Northern bidders.
The great Lincoln's only plan for the slaves was repatriation back to African, Liberia. Those that think the war was about slavery really need to study the actual history. Some slaves did come out of the fracas and turmoil owning a bit of land, most were not even permitted to own land until after the 14th amendment was passed making them citizens. This, some how began the myth of 40 acres and a Mule.

Lincoln was assassinated before he could execute his plan for the slaves, but I am not so sure this was of any help, Grant's did not seem ( my historical view) to give a damn at all what happened with the former slaves or the multitude of white non slave owners through out the South. Exploitation of the people of the South by the Northern powerful went on for decades. The north wanted the South to take it rightful place as consumers in their industrial economy and that was the extent of their concern. But then, this pretty much cause the war to begin, no reason to expect a change in the goal after a win.
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you should reread the causes of secession again. slavery and in particular the refusal of the northern states to return their property to them was the root cause of the secession. candy coat it as a violation of the constitution if you like , but you must admit it was slavery front and center in all of the declarations.
 
those are the words of the state legislatures that voted for secession
 
yet the first shots were fired by south carolina
 
lawai'a said:
yet the first shots were fired by south carolina
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Lincoln ordered his troop to occupy the old abandon fort, part of South Carolina, after South Carolina had left the Union. It is normal to get shot at when you invade a neighbor.
The Canadian shot at the Americans too when they tried to invade. Come to think of it so did the Mexicans.

But Lincolns actions in invading South Carolina have nothing to do with the well being of Slaves.
 
fort sumter was federal property before the secession
 
Yes it was, way before. The federal government had abandon it So it was part of South Carolina.
But has this issue a damn thing to do with the well being of Slaves?
 
no still federal property that SC wanted to expropiate
 
will you at least admit slavery was behind the southern secession?
 
Then you need to check and see why Lincoln wanted Fort Sumter back again. It was right smack in the harbor at Charleston, the major port for importing the good the Southern farmers needed.
The farm machinery they imported for England and Europe. Lincoln wanted to Blockade the South and force them back into being good consumers of the high priced Northern industries.
Not a thought about Slaves, hell he didn't give a crap about that, He was a railroad Lawyer. Railroad are all owned by the North and haul goods manufactured in the North.
 
Not really. But even if more than something to write down as to why you are succeeding, It didn't start the war and succession is not justification for war.
The Slave did not become the reason for the war until Lincoln hijack the Northern sentiment to use as justification after he was losing support for the war.
Then he issued his proclamation, but hell man, he had no plan to help those people. Nothing more that dump them out of the way.
 
it was still federal property, i do not for 1 moment believe your implication that this was a conspiracy all along by the railroads or whomever. the reason the garrison was moved to fort sumter, a federal property, since 1776 in fact, was because there previous position was indefensible to a land assault from the carolina shores. an implicit threat if you take into account the tensions and aggressions on the part of south carolina. the fact that south carolina feared a possible, not factual, blockade surely led to their attack on the fort. in fact their was no blockade or method of resuppling sumter at the time. it would have likely led to a simple surrender over the due course of time without resupply.
 
History glosses over how powerful lobbyists were back then with no restrictions and guys like Grant were heavy drunks with PTSD compounded. There was not one reason for the Civil War....it was a long list and presidents didn't have JP Morgan like power...the titans pretty much monopolized whatever they wanted to monopolize. It was not a real law abiding time in our history. Slavery was something that was part of the issue and succession is plenty of reason for declaring war depending on the circumstance. Genocide or slavery or the cost of doing business.
If you cut off someone's port of access or watershed...they'd be mighty pissed off.
 
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