OREGON MINIMUM WAGE SET AT $14.75 AFTER GOVERNOR SIGNED THE BILL AMIDST OPPOSITION’S DEFIANCE

[Further]

Naw! It's the beginning of the the $17 Cheeseburger as soon as someone invents it. But will it sell?

I can't find the article but when Seattle was raising their minimum wage someone did a breakdown on McDonalds burgers, price/#of burgers sold per hour per (taking into account all sales) employee and the math demonstrated the raise of their minimum wage to $15 was going to raise the price of a burger by less than 14 cents to maintain the identical profit margin, if I remember correctly. I'm not saying prices won't go up, but the benefit to the working poor will be will be greater than hardship to the rest of society.

 

[barfo]

I can't find the article but when Seattle was raising their minimum wage someone did a breakdown on McDonalds burgers, price/#of burgers sold per hour per (taking into account all sales) employee and the math demonstrated the raise of their minimum wage to $15 was going to raise the price of a burger by less than 14 cents to maintain the identical profit margin, if I remember correctly. I'm not saying prices won't go up, but the benefit to the working poor will be will be greater than hardship to the rest of society.

Yes. Very, very few businesses are simply a set of minimum wage workers and nothing else. Most have other expenses - higher paid workers, raw materials, rent, advertising, utilities, fuel, accountants, etc.

So the cost of products and services does not scale linearly with the minimum wage.

barfo

 

[Further]

Yes. Very, very few businesses are simply a set of minimum wage workers and nothing else. Most have other expenses - higher paid workers, raw materials, rent, advertising, utilities, fuel, accountants, etc.

So the cost of products and services does not scale linearly with the minimum wage.

barfo

Correct.

Theres also the fact that during a given hour, a McD's might have 5 employees, But during that hour, they aren't selling one burger, they are likely selling a hundred burgers, a hundred fries and a hundred drinks (I made up these numbers for the sake of the demonstration) so those 5 employees wage increase of $6 * 5 employees = $30 can be divided amongst 300 items which is 10 cents per item.

 

[MarAzul]

raise the price of a burger by less than 14 cents to maintain the identical profit margin

That does not pass any logic test. Nor does it jibe with this story.

http://www.seattlemag.com/article/why-are-so-many-seattle-restaurants-closing-lately

Notice the line in the article about the $700,000 restaurant. The owner making 28000 a year. Imagine that! The guy has a business like that and only makes 28K
The dude is paying help 15 buck and he ain't making that much. Now who the hell is going to run a business like that?

"The remaining 4 percent has been the profit margin, and as a result, in a $700,000 restaurant, he estimates that the average restauranteur in Seattle has been making $28,000 a year."

Then I think of my farm growing wheat. When I did it, the price of wheat was about 3 bucks a bushel, now it is 4.63 (I just looked) and fuel is over twice, and fertilizer over twice the price.
No friggin way do you raise that crop paying 15 buck or the 12.75 for any help. You will do it on your own, perhaps family help but hired help is out of the realm of reality.

But maybe I missed it, did the Salem gang raise the commodity price minimums also? Just kidding with a dumb ass question, they don't know what the hell commodity prices are or how they are set.

 

[Jade Falcon]

The Wendy's on SE Powell has closed. Signage stripped from the building and a for sale sign put up.

This is a war on fast food! :MARIS61:

Naw! It's the beginning of the the $17 Cheeseburger as soon as someone invents it. But will it sell?

Damn man! Burgerville is already hugely expensive; you mean I have to pay $13 now for a chicken strips and fries?

I love them so much....they are so good....and those milkshakes.....

In all seriousness I think, in the long run, that this is going to mean that small businesses stop hiring people, because they just can't afford it. Which may increase the likelihood of those small businesses either going out of business or not expanding.

Doesn't sound good for business, if you ask me.

Mind you, that's just speculation on my part.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Naw! It's the beginning of the the $17 Cheeseburger as soon as someone invents it. But will it sell?

I had a $35 burger before.

And Portland is getting a Holstein's. $17 burgers yo.
http://www.holsteinsburgers.com/location/portland/

http://www.holsteinsburgers.com/menus/las-vegas/

 

[dviss1]

I'm not surprised you see racism in everything people say. We've already established that you're a racist, and I didn't even know you were black.

I actually assumed that you were some nerdy college white kid full of Media-induced White Guilt. My bad.

You're really full of it with your ignorant posts.

 

[Jade Falcon]

You're really full of it with your ignorant posts.

Shhh. Go away. Adults are speaking here.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I know, but just perhaps. It doesn't cost much.

If I was in a high value swing state id consider it, till then it's a waste of time. Of course im a bit of a conspiracy nut, so I think the elections are rigged anyway.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Damn man! Burgerville is already hugely expensive; you mean I have to pay $13 now for a chicken strips and fries?

I love them so much....they are so good....and those milkshakes.....

In all seriousness I think, in the long run, that this is going to mean that small businesses stop hiring people, because they just can't afford it. Which may increase the likelihood of those small businesses either going out of business or not expanding.

Doesn't sound good for business, if you ask me.

Mind you, that's just speculation on my part.

You're almost there, just connect the dots. Government needs more money, they need to shut down small business and provide for the people. Think general motors but on a large scale. Now give everyone equal pay, yay for equality. Communism? No we hate that!

 

[dviss1]

I'm not surprised you see racism in everything people say. We've already established that you're a racist, and I didn't even know you were black.

I actually assumed that you were some nerdy college white kid full of Media-induced White Guilt. My bad.

So this shit is ok @SlyPokerDog ?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

It was harder to get off food stamps than get on them. I practically had to beg to get off them. It all comes down to budgeting. That section of the government has a budget, they have to spend it or the budget gets cut. Budgets are why I stopped going to church. Budgets are made up projected numbers and instead of expenditures vs. Income, they show you budget and income. Now if you budget $100, take in $90 but spend $35, you still have a $10 budget shortfall instead of $55 profit. Now go fleece the sheep for that $10. When I realized churches run just like the government in this way I stopped attending. Just like I stopped voting for fraudsters. Im a simple kind of man with simple principles.

 

[dviss1]

Shhh. Go away. Adults are speaking here.

I know you will always consider me a boy anyway. I know where you stand.

 

[Jade Falcon]

So this shit is ok @SlyPokerDog ?

Yeah, Sly. Is this okay...

You don't even know me bro. But you assume you know my type because I'm black.

Or this....

You're really full of it with your ignorant posts.

Or this....

I know you will always consider me a boy anyway. I know where you stand.

Like I said: you wanna grow up and act like an adult, and drop the childish vendetta, then you'll be treated like one. Until then, yes, you'll be treated like a child. And there's fuck all you can do about it except block me.

In fact, I insist you do. Rid my internet life of your childish, racist stupidity.

 

[dviss1]

It was harder to get off food stamps than get on them. I practically had to beg to get off them. It all comes down to budgeting. That section of the government has a budget, they have to spend it or the budget gets cut. Budgets are why I stopped going to church. Budgets are made up projected numbers and instead of expenditures vs. Income, they show you budget and income. Now if you budget $100, take in $90 but spend $35, you still have a $10 budget shortfall instead of $55 profit. Now go fleece the sheep for that $10. When I realized churches run just like the government in this way I stopped attending. Just like I stopped voting for fraudsters. Im a simple kind of man with simple principles.

The money we spend on food stamps is a drop in the bucket compared to the money that we give away in oil and farm subsidies.

 

[Jade Falcon]

You're almost there, just connect the dots. Government needs more money, they need to shut down small business and provide for the people. Think general motors but on a large scale. Now give everyone equal pay, yay for equality. Communism? No we hate that!

Shut down small businesses?

Sorry...I can't tell if your serious or not.

 

[Denny Crane]

The money we spend on food stamps is a drop in the bucket compared to the money that we give away in oil and farm subsidies.

there are no oil subsidies.

Let's scrap the farm ones. Those are socialist FDR policy that hastened the demise of the family farm.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Unfortunately, he has the right to prove himself an ass.

there are no oil subsidies.

Let's scrap the farm ones. Those are socialist FDR policy that hastened the demise of the family farm.

I see you've conveniently ignored his bullshit. How nice.

I'm not the one who's following someone around on a fucking forum, making snide comments and one-lined insults like a child. He wants to act like one, he'll be treated like one. He's already proven that he's a racist by obsessing over the issue, refusing to see reason and logic, and by accusing others of being racist because of their political beliefs.

That's not on me, that's on him. And when he grows up and drops his childish bullshit, I'll start treating him like an adult. It's that simple.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

I see you've conveniently ignored his bullshit. How nice.

I'm not the one who's following someone around on a fucking forum, making snide comments and one-lined insults like a child. He wants to act like one, he'll be treated like one. He's already proven that he's a racist by obsessing over the issue, refusing to see reason and logic, and by accusing others of being racist because of their political beliefs.

That's not on me, that's on him. And when he grows up and drops his childish bullshit, I'll start treating him like an adult. It's that simple.

Quick, his posts seem childish and racist, learn the art of trolling like a slypokerdog.

 

[Denny Crane]

I see you've conveniently ignored his bullshit. How nice.

I'm not the one who's following someone around on a fucking forum, making snide comments and one-lined insults like a child. He wants to act like one, he'll be treated like one. He's already proven that he's a racist by obsessing over the issue, refusing to see reason and logic, and by accusing others of being racist because of their political beliefs.

That's not on me, that's on him. And when he grows up and drops his childish bullshit, I'll start treating him like an adult. It's that simple.

He's responding to the content of your posts. Much of which I find painful to read due to the outright ignorance in them.

I do find that dviss1 probably overuses the term racist, but he's experienced more racism in a few minutes than you have in a lifetime.

You equate the word "nigger" with "honkie" and "cracker." There is no equivalence.

To not realize this is, by definition, ignorance.

The n word was screamed at slaves and freemen to keep the black people in line. It was far too often the last word a black man heard before being lynched, otherwise mudered, or maimed. There is no moral or other sort of equivalence to the words.

You've been allowed to prove you're ignorant and an ass about it. Don't be surprised to be called on it.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

The money we spend on food stamps is a drop in the bucket compared to the money that we give away in oil and farm subsidies.

Defense as well. So just because it's not the majority issue we should ignore it and let it slide? How about fix it all? Oh thats right then the 2 party system cant squabble amongst themselves while politicians get rich and run the country into the ground.

 

[Denny Crane]

Correct.

Theres also the fact that during a given hour, a McD's might have 5 employees, But during that hour, they aren't selling one burger, they are likely selling a hundred burgers, a hundred fries and a hundred drinks (I made up these numbers for the sake of the demonstration) so those 5 employees wage increase of $6 * 5 employees = $30 can be divided amongst 300 items which is 10 cents per item.

McDs has many hours that they sell nothing. That $.10/item is closer to $.50, if not more. That's a huge tax on dollar menu items.

 

[Jade Falcon]

He's responding to the content of your posts. Much of which I find painful to read due to the outright ignorance in them.

I do find that dviss1 probably overuses the term racist, but he's experienced more racism in a few minutes than you have in a lifetime.

You equate the word "nigger" with "honkie" and "cracker." There is no equivalence.

To not realize this is, by definition, ignorance.

The n word was screamed at slaves and freemen to keep the black people in line. It was far too often the last word a black man heard before being lynched, otherwise mudered, or maimed. There is no moral or other sort of equivalence to the words.

You've been allowed to prove your ignorant and an ass about it. Don't be surprised to be called on it.

I've never doubted for a minute the significance of the word "nigger". I simply choose not to pick and choose which is "MORE RACIST" than the other. They are BOTH racist terms.

And yeah, surprise...there's racist black people as much as racist white people. The difference here is that he won't admit that...while I'm supposed to bend over and give him special treatment because he's black and black people have been called "nigger".

I'm sorry, it doesn't work that way.

What's next? You gonna argue that mexicans and jews aren't equal in racism when they're called "Spicks, Wetbacks, and Kikes"?

You see, it just doesn't work that way. I WILL NOT give special treatment to ANYONE based on their race. Not when it comes to racism. Racism is despicable and morally wrong on ALL fronts. When we start picking and choosing what racism is "more racist", then we lose the fight of trying to end racism. Because that does nothing but continue to divide this country.

And yes, he does overuse the term racist. Glad we agree on that. For fucks sake: he started a thread accusing Trump of being racist...because he's a Republican.

THAT is the same kind of RACISM that needs to STOP if we are going to move forward from racism in this country.

I cannot explain that any more simply than that. ALL racist terms should be treated the same, and ALL racism should be cast out and spoken against with the same fervor by EVERYONE. Black people don't want to be treated differently any more than I do. And they sure as hell don't want special treatment.

Except that minority of them who think they're entitled to special privilege based on society's use of the word "nigger".

 

[Denny Crane]

Another example of ignorance.

dviss1 in numerous posts has acknowledged examples of black racism, reverse racism, etc. your accusations are simply untrue.

Not all racism is the same as other racism. Figure out why and you'll be less ignorant.

 

[Denny Crane]

In case you live under a rock...

That's what it looks like when people protest racism against black people. And here is what it looks like when white people march in response to black people getting civil rights:

All racism is equal? Seriously?

 

[Jade Falcon]

Another example of ignorance.

dviss1 in numerous posts has acknowledged examples of black racism, reverse racism, etc. your accusations are simply untrue.

Not all racism is the same as other racism. Figure out why and you'll be less ignorant.

Oh really?

A group of black teens beating up a white couple because they're white outside of a mall in Chicago or something doesn't count because it's not a burning cross on a lawn somewhere?

And I'm the ignorant one?

Keep telling yourself that.

And if he's had other posts about black racism, then I commend him for that. But I don't follow every post he writes here. All I know is that he's followed me in 4 fucking threads the past 3 days accusing me of being racist over and over and over and over....and then leaving snide, one-lined insults to top it off.

I can't deal with such childishness.

 

[Denny Crane]

Oh really?

A group of black teens beating up a white couple because they're white outside of a mall in Chicago or something doesn't count because it's not a burning cross on a lawn somewhere?

And I'm the ignorant one?

Keep telling yourself that.

And if he's had other posts about black racism, then I commend him for that. But I don't follow every post he writes here. All I know is that he's followed me in 4 fucking threads the past 3 days accusing me of being racist over and over and over and over....and then leaving snide, one-lined insults to top it off.

I can't deal with such childishness.

He specifically called that racist. You have no beef.

 

[Jade Falcon]

In case you live under a rock...

That's what it looks like when people protest racism against black people. And here is what it looks like when white people march in response to black people getting civil rights:

All racism is equal? Seriously?

Gotcha. Jews, Mexicans, and Asians are all inferior to black people when it comes to racism. Gotcha.

I'm glad they have civil rights, and I've never protested that. So why am I roped into being a KKK member because I MIGHT vote for Trump?

And that's according to HIM by the way. He said that, not me. Republicans, to him, are automatically racist.

I can't win against that mentality, and it only serves to hold this country back.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Another example of ignorance.

dviss1 in numerous posts has acknowledged examples of black racism, reverse racism, etc. your accusations are simply untrue.

Not all racism is the same as other racism. Figure out why and you'll be less ignorant.

Wasn't there a whole thread about an article which claimed blacks could not be racist because racism was as much about the power gulf as about skin color? I thought Dviss came down on the side of the article's author. Am I misremembering?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

He specifically called that racist. You have no beef.

He has no beef? Not all white people have small wangs man, dont be racist.