Oregon ready for Mary Jane?!?!

[riverman]

I can go over to my neighbor fucktwat the clown to buy some right now, the county just doesn't like the idea of making any tax money off of it on stores because they're tea party idiots.

Sounds like Klamath is a good opportunity to be the first on the block to dispense the good stuff

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Nobody in Oregon has ever had to drive out of state before to buy it, so I doubt that they'll start now. Street price for an ounce of bud is $150-$250, depending on who you know, so the $15 gram price, plus 25% tax, plus city tax, is not realistic in any long-term sense.

Gotta agree. The legislature (because they are so much smarter) took a well written measure and fucked it all up. And before too long they're going to find out they actually boosted the popularity of the black market because "store bought" weed is going to be too expensive for those of us who either get the stuff free, or pay a fair amount less than the prices being projected. It's going to take a year or two before the glitches are all worked out, but anything over $150-$200 an ounce isn't going to fly (no pun intended) very long. I read awhile back that some pundits are expecting the price to eventually settle in at around $140/oz. And somehow I can't help but believe that down the road, now that it's legal to grow, weed at the end of summer will be like zucchini. Everyone will be giving it away.....one can hope....

 

[dviss1]

I tend to agree with this. I've been smoking weed since 1970 and lately it's kind of lost its thrill. Part of the fun was the feeling of putting something over on "the establishment". That said, it is nice to be able to buy openly and know what you are getting in terms of quality, price and strain. And the best part is being able to "self select". If I want something to energize me, make me creative, kill pain, help me sleep or whatever my needs might be at a particular moment, all I have to do is tell the bud tenders what I'm looking for and it's available. And I look forward to growing my own (or at least trying, without fear of being busted). And I can't wait for late next summer. The entire Portland metro area is going to smell like it hit a skunk.....

No it's not. That just like alcohol will be illegal to imbibe in public.

 

[dviss1]

I wasted no time exercising my freedoms this year. It makes a great addition to my regular garden

Unlike corn, it ENRICHES the soil it's grown in.

 

[PDXFonz]

No it's not. That just like alcohol will be illegal to imbibe in public.

He's talking about growing, not public usage. Enough people growing in a concentrated area and the whole entire block will be smelling like peppy Le pew.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

No it's not. That just like alcohol will be illegal to imbibe in public.

I'm talking about the odor of hundreds, if not thousands of backyard crops like donkiez's reaching maturity.....

 

[dviss1]

He's talking about growing, not public usage. Enough people growing in a concentrated area and the whole entire block will be smelling like peppy Le pew.

Ohhhh. I see.

 

[donkiez]

Gotta agree. The legislature (because they are so much smarter) took a well written measure and fucked it all up. And before too long they're going to find out they actually boosted the popularity of the black market because "store bought" weed is going to be too expensive for those of us who either get the stuff free, or pay a fair amount less than the prices being projected. It's going to take a year or two before the glitches are all worked out, but anything over $150-$200 an ounce isn't going to fly (no pun intended) very long. I read awhile back that some pundits are expecting the price to eventually settle in at around $140/oz. And somehow I can't help but believe that down the road, now that it's legal to grow, weed at the end of summer will be like zucchini. Everyone will be giving it away.....one can hope....

The Oregon target is $150 - $200 an ounce specifically to undercut the black market. Oregon has the best tax system out of any of the legal states, which is only $35 an ounce one time tax. The cities and counties are trying to fuck this up with their own greedy taxes though, and thats where the courts are right now. It will take a few years to balance out but our tax system is much better than WA or CO. You also have to consider that store bought weed does not target the average stoner, who probably has better connections or grows his own, it targets the occasional Further type smoker.

 

[donkiez]

I'm talking about the odor of hundreds, if not thousands of backyard crops like donkiez's reaching maturity.....

mine is so stinky now that I almost had to change clothes after just taking that picture, Im kind of worried a neighbor kid will rip it off. My buddy has a couple approaching 10 feet in his backyard and his neighborhood smells great!

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Fortunately, I currently get my weed the same way I get my wine......mostly free. And Tom Peterson was correct. Free is a very good price. But I sure do like that I now have more options. I'd just like those options to be (and stay) reasonably priced.

 

[tlongII]

Doesn't work like that. The recreational marijuana shops are like liquor stores, it's all they sell, and it can't be recreationally sold outside of licensed shops.

The junk food and candy will be flying off the shelves!

 

[PDXFonz]

I guess Oregon is doing it different from wa and co. 200 medical dispensaries will open for recreational sales tomorrow. In washington you get these places with lots of foot traffic and pre packaged flowers of sub par quality. What you get with the medical dispensaries is a bud tender who will pick fresh flowers out of an oversized mason jar. Much higher quality and an overall better buying experience.

Who is Planning on buying tomorrow?

For those considering here is a list of shops that will be able to sell to you tomorrow - http://www.oregon.gov/oha/mmj/Pages/directory.aspx

Call ahead to make sure if you have to drive a ways!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Methinks I will stick with the medical dispensaries. The high CBD/ low THC products I sometimes use are not really suitable for recreational use - but they are very helpful from a medicinal POV.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

No it's not. That just like alcohol will be illegal to imbibe in public.

You ever walk through Pioneer Courthouse Square? It quite often reeks of weed, and that was long before weed was legalized. I see people smoking more openly now, but they certainly weren't very afraid before.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

The lines are going to be crazy for awhile. I'm looking forward to when things settle down, then I'll wander in and see what's up (besides the customers). I just hope the projected lower prices aren't a (literal) pipe dream. And, if the recreational joints (sorry, I just can't help it) want to stay in business in what looks to be a highly (see?? And I ain't even trying) market place, I expect high quality weed to be the norm, rather than the exception. But maybe I'm just blowing smoke..........

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I see one in Waldport right on the 101 is on the list. That should be rather convenient. Same with another one right on the 99 in Dundee.

 

[dviss1]

The lines are going to be crazy for awhile. I'm looking forward to when things settle down, then I'll wander in and see what's up (besides the customers). I just hope the projected lower prices aren't a (literal) pipe dream. And, if the recreational joints (sorry, I just can't help it) want to stay in business in what looks to be a highly (see?? And I ain't even trying) market place, I expect high quality weed to be the norm, rather than the exception. But maybe I'm just blowing smoke..........

They're gonna start policing it pretty hard. As they should. Take your ass home and smoke. No flaming fuckin' Hummers up and down I-5. It should be policed just like alcohol.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Can anyone find maxies awesome "kids are injecting 3 marijuana's" thread? Comedy gold!

 

[PDXFonz]

Methinks I will stick with the medical dispensaries. The high CBD/ low THC products I sometimes use are not really suitable for recreational use - but they are very helpful from a medicinal POV.

That's another benefit of our way vs the others. You will have a wider variety of cbd products. Perhaps people will come from Vancouver for these reasons.

 

[riverman]

Last chance to get high illegally in Oregon folks...dare to take a chance!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Last chance to get high illegally in Oregon folks...dare to take a chance!

Ugh, that was three months ago from today, homie.

 

[riverman]

Ugh, that was three months ago from today, homie.

I thought tomorrow kicked off recreational use without a medical card

 

[HailBlazers]

I thought tomorrow kicked off recreational use without a medical card

Na, tomorrow kicks off legal sales.

 

[riverman]

Na, tomorrow kicks off legal sales.

so I can still smoke the illegal stuff I got a year ago

 

[HailBlazers]

so I can still smoke the illegal stuff I got a year ago

At your leisure, just don't let the feds catch u.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Didn't you read about the "Immaculate Conception" on the Burnside Bridge on July 1st? A ton of people gathered there right after midnight to smoke. At 11:59pm on June 30, nobody had weed. Moments later, everyone was smoking. The possession was totally legal (though smoking in public is not, though nobody was arrested during the event).

 

[MarAzul]

cannabis

There was one question notable for it not being asked. What are my chances of becoming a cannabis abuser or chemically dependent on the drug?

There is no known answer either, but having worked with chemically dependent people through a rehabilitation facility, I do know a few thing we do know and some we do not.

I did some collation of alcohol abusers and their character types. Small sample to be sure 32 of the 32 people as alcoholics, that is chemically dependent on alcohol were of the Intuitive group, NT or NF character types. The same test could not be done with cannabis abusers because there were none in the facility for treatment that were not also abusers of some other substance.

The facility had a track record of successfully treating high percentage of the alcohol abusers. The track record at the time was non existent for successful treatment of cannabis/other patients, or there were no known clean prior patients.

Another reason it is difficult to characterize cannabis/other group is the motivation for being treated. The alcoholics I tested either were persuaded to seek treatment or did it on their own. They self identified as chemically dependent alcoholics. Those that were forced into treatment were tested but not tabulated because that could, probably would skew the results. They could not be accurately identified as alcoholics. Very few people forced into treatment ever successfully avoid abusing the chemical of choice again.
There is a difference between a drunk and an alcoholic. The drunk drinks when they want to and can turn it off when they wish. The alcoholic does not have this control until the long term affects of abuse have been given time to subside before real choice is available. So that leaves 75% of society as probably not being susceptible to becoming an alcoholic, and 25% that could but do not understand their risk.

If you google "Cannabis abuse rehabilitation" you will find a long list of scholarly articles available to read, none that taut successful rehabilitation, and that is my experience. I suspect it has to do with character type, just as it does with the alcoholic, but also the affects of the drug do not lead the abuser to want or seek treatment. However, that does not mean they do not become impaired by long term abuse of the drug, it seems to mean, they just don't give a shit.

I find it deplorable that we will now legally add this additional road bump in the way of our children with blessing of society, without understanding the consequences.

 

[riverman]

There was one question notable for it not being asked. What are my chances of becoming a cannabis abuser or chemically dependent on the drug?

There is no known answer either, but having worked with chemically dependent people through a rehabilitation facility, I do know a few thing we do know and some we do not.

I did some collation of alcohol abusers and their character types. Small sample to be sure 32 of the 32 people as alcoholics, that is chemically dependent on alcohol were of the Intuitive group, NT or NF character types. The same test could not be done with cannabis abusers because there were none in the facility for treatment that were not also abusers of some other substance.

The facility had a track record of successfully treating high percentage of the alcohol abusers. The track record at the time was non existent for successful treatment of cannabis/other patients, or there were no known clean prior patients.

Another reason it is difficult to characterize cannabis/other group is the motivation for being treated. The alcoholics I tested either were persuaded to seek treatment or did it on their own. They self identified as chemically dependent alcoholics. Those that were forced into treatment were tested but not tabulated because that could, probably would skew the results. They could not be accurately identified as alcoholics. Very few people forced into treatment ever successfully avoid abusing the chemical of choice again.
There is a difference between a drunk and an alcoholic. The drunk drinks when they want to and can turn it off when they wish. The alcoholic does not have this control until the long term affects of abuse have been given time to subside before real choice is available. So that leaves 75% of society as probably not being susceptible to becoming an alcoholic, and 25% that could but do not understand their risk.

If you google "Cannabis abuse rehabilitation" you will find a long list of scholarly articles available to read, none that taut successful rehabilitation, and that is my experience. I suspect it has to do with character type, just as it does with the alcoholic, but also the affects of the drug do not lead the abuser to want or seek treatment. However, that does not mean they do not become impaired by long term abuse of the drug, it seems to mean, they just don't give a shit.

I find it deplorable that we will now legally add this additional road bump in the way of our children with blessing of society, without understanding the consequences.

anything can be abused..in my view, cannabis is pretty harmless as a recreational herb..it lowers blood sugar and if you smoke it like Bob Marley did, it'll probably turn you into a mush ball over the years.

 

[oldmangrouch]

An addictive personality will always find something to cling to. If I never touched a drop of alcohol, it wouldn't prevent even one other person from abusing alcohol. At some point, the rest of us deserve to be left alone to live our lives.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

An addictive personality will always find something to cling to. If I never touched a drop of alcohol, it wouldn't prevent even one other person from abusing alcohol. At some point, the rest of us deserve to be left alone to live our lives.

You hit it on the head. I mean, Jeezus, Mags is addicted to Trump. He's been mainlining T for weeks now.....