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[kjironman1]

While it will be better than what the Pac 12 (2) is now, this really doesn't solve much. This is not going to be a very good TV contract. They will be competing against the Big 12, Big 10, and ACC for west coast viewers. Beavers would be better off moving to the Big 12. There annual share of the TV contract money will be bigger.

Maybe? But if Stanford and Cal plus maybe adding one of the independent schools it could garner some strength? Also what happens if the ACC continues to struggle?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

https://www.oregonlive.com/beavers/...-12-rebuild-with-4-mountain-west-schools.html

Love this. Just the beginning of rebuilding the Pac 12.
Hopefully they rebrand the name and get rid of the "12" and don't have any # moving forward.
Hopefully schools like Cal, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV also join to add more regions/media markets for TV viewers.
I hope they keep it with schools on the west coast/mid west. Makes it much more financially manageable for travel, especially with the other sports (non football).

 

[Pinwheel1]

Love this. Just the beginning of rebuilding the Pac 12.
Hopefully they rebrand the name and get rid of the "12" and don't have any # moving forward.
Hopefully schools like Cal, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV also join to add more regions/media markets for TV viewers.
I hope they keep it with schools on the west coast/mid west. Makes it much more financially manageable for travel, especially with the other sports (non football).

a 6-pack sounds good to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's pretty clear you can't get into the new PAC12 if you don't have "state" in your name.

Portland State up next!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Maybe? But if Stanford and Cal plus maybe adding one of the independent schools it could garner some strength? Also what happens if the ACC continues to struggle?

the last TV offer with those teams in the pac-12 was s***. Adding those teams back is not going to give the pac-12 a big TV offer. Mountain West gets 6 million per team per year. The new offer is rumored to be around 12 to $15 million per year per team. That's great if you're a mountain West team, That's not going to get the old pac-12 gang back

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Love this. Just the beginning of rebuilding the Pac 12.
Hopefully they rebrand the name and get rid of the "12" and don't have any # moving forward.
Hopefully schools like Cal, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV also join to add more regions/media markets for TV viewers.
I hope they keep it with schools on the west coast/mid west. Makes it much more financially manageable for travel, especially with the other sports (non football).

Develop the Pac, merge with the Big East, form the BIGGIE-PAC conference, appoint Jay-Z and Dr Dre commissioners, and play up the east/west beef.

 

[kjironman1]

the last TV offer with those teams in the pac-12 was s***. Adding those teams back is not going to give the pac-12 a big TV offer. Mountain West gets 6 million per team per year. The new offer is rumored to be around 12 to $15 million per year per team. That's great if you're a mountain West team, That's not going to get the old pac-12 gang back

No I honestly don't think you get the "Old PAC12" back together. You do get a decent conference that the Beavers and Cougars can play in and stay in possible bowl games at times.
I don't think anyone is dreaming of much more than that?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

the last TV offer with those teams in the pac-12 was s***. Adding those teams back is not going to give the pac-12 a big TV offer. Mountain West gets 6 million per team per year. The new offer is rumored to be around 12 to $15 million per year per team. That's great if you're a mountain West team, That's not going to get the old pac-12 gang back

But it's a little bit of a different landscape now. The word is that ESPN is pushing for the Pac 12 to rebuild because they want more content/games and they are very concerned with losing more ground in the football world to the likes of Prime Video, AppleTV, etc. So that leads me to believe the Pac 12 could get a pretty solid TV agreement when this all shakes out. -fingers crossed-

 

[kjironman1]

But it's a little bit of a different landscape now. The word is that ESPN is pushing for the Pac 12 to rebuild because they want more content/games and they are very concerned with losing more ground in the football world to the likes of Prime Video, AppleTV, etc. So that leads me to believe the Pac 12 could get a pretty solid TV agreement when this all shakes out. -fingers crossed-

Yeah I think there is room for some expansion and reorganizing. Could make a decent conference that will hold some interest.

 

[Kano John]

Love this. Just the beginning of rebuilding the Pac 12.
Hopefully they rebrand the name and get rid of the "12" and don't have any # moving forward.
Hopefully schools like Cal, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV also join to add more regions/media markets for TV viewers.
I hope they keep it with schools on the west coast/mid west. Makes it much more financially manageable for travel, especially with the other sports (non football).

I would go with the Pac West

 

[Kano John]

It's pretty clear you can't get into the new PAC12 if you don't have "state" in your name.

Portland State up next!

I'm a Portland State alum but the Vikings are not on the same level.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm a Portland State alum but the Vikings are not on the same level.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

It'd be awesome if Gonzaga added football and joined the Pac West.

 

[Natebishop3]

PCC announces that they're changing their name so that they can join the new PAC12!

Portland Community College.... State!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

First, I love OSU. Always been a fan. Beavers were my team when I was a kid. I'm not a hater.

But I just don't get why OSU wants to be the self appointed savior of the Pac 12, 2, 6, maybe 8?

You guys hanging your hat on after one year ESPN and Fox are now going to back up the truck and start unloading cash is crazy.

The Big 12 gave you guys the biggest hint on how you could join them and you guys not only ignored it, you gave them the finger.

The Big 12 is going to get $50 million per school next year and you guys are scrambling for maybe $15.

 

[kjironman1]

First, I love OSU. Always been a fan. Beavers were my team when I was a kid. I'm not a hater.

But I just don't get why OSU wants to be the self appointed savior of the Pac 12, 2, 6, maybe 8?

You guys hanging your hat on after one year ESPN and Fox are now going to back up the truck and start unloading cash is crazy.

The Big 12 gave you guys the biggest hint on how you could join them and you guys not only ignored it, you gave them the finger.

The Big 12 is going to get $50 million per school next year and you guys are scrambling for maybe $15.

Not sure all options are closed as far as the Big 12 are concerned? Maybe they are? I thought the hang up was the 2 years before acceptance?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Not sure all options are closed as far as the Big 12 are concerned? Maybe they are? I thought the hang up was the 2 years before acceptance?

Big 12 came out and said, we want to be the basketball conference. In the Pac 12 it was UCLA, Arizona, and Oregon State with the basketball history and lore. Instead of putting any of the money to basketball they kept Tinkle and let some amazing players on the women's team walk. All of their decisions seem to be focused on football and right now that doesn't make sense. Beavers are not going to be competitive at football with $15 mill a year. Get into the Big 12 first, then focus on football.

 

[Shaboid]

First, I love OSU. Always been a fan. Beavers were my team when I was a kid. I'm not a hater.

But I just don't get why OSU wants to be the self appointed savior of the Pac 12, 2, 6, maybe 8?

You guys hanging your hat on after one year ESPN and Fox are now going to back up the truck and start unloading cash is crazy.

The Big 12 gave you guys the biggest hint on how you could join them and you guys not only ignored it, you gave them the finger.

The Big 12 is going to get $50 million per school next year and you guys are scrambling for maybe $15.

Honestly, it's been a pretty long road to get to where we are with today's announcement. There were absolutely some poor decisions made along the way. I especially don't like they way some beaver fans have played the victim, blaming the other schools for only making a decision that was best for them.

We've been scrambling for the last couple years. I'd have welcomed getting into a better conference anytime along the way I think. I also feel the nastalgia for the Pac. At least we have some scheduling commitments for our future. It's a new era for the conference, hopefully we can pick up a few more schools and find a place in all the reshuffling. I've always just wanted to watch my alma mater play on Saturday.

 

[Kano John]

Big 12 came out and said, we want to be the basketball conference. In the Pac 12 it was UCLA, Arizona, and Oregon State with the basketball history and lore. Instead of putting any of the money to basketball they kept Tinkle and let some amazing players on the women's team walk. All of their decisions seem to be focused on football and right now that doesn't make sense. Beavers are not going to be competitive at football with $15 mill a year. Get into the Big 12 first, then focus on football.

Perhaps the powers that be give a higher priority to scholastic endeavors rather than to athletic pursuits.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Big 12 came out and said, we want to be the basketball conference. In the Pac 12 it was UCLA, Arizona, and Oregon State with the basketball history and lore. Instead of putting any of the money to basketball they kept Tinkle and let some amazing players on the women's team walk. All of their decisions seem to be focused on football and right now that doesn't make sense. Beavers are not going to be competitive at football with $15 mill a year. Get into the Big 12 first, then focus on football.

The big 12 also said they wanted to be an elite baseball conference. Seems like OSU should have had a seat because of that.

Lots of people are claiming the big 12 was never gonna happen.

Osu and wsu must think they can get a playoff berth as they are constructing the conference as is. I'm excited to see where they go for the other 2 schools.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...nce-expansion-adding-four-teams-mountain-west

 

[Phatguysrule]

Love this. Just the beginning of rebuilding the Pac 12.
Hopefully they rebrand the name and get rid of the "12" and don't have any # moving forward.
Hopefully schools like Cal, Stanford, UCLA, UNLV also join to add more regions/media markets for TV viewers.
I hope they keep it with schools on the west coast/mid west. Makes it much more financially manageable for travel, especially with the other sports (non football).

The PAC

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[wizenheimer]

yeah, the cost of this is insane.



OSU/WSU have to send the MWC 21.5M, each. That 111M will be paid out of future earnings of the 'Pac-6' or whatever they'll call it. And, by rule, the conference will need to add a minimum of 2 more schools in order for the NCAA to certify it's a conference. So, the future debt service is probably not complete

I'm skeptical that the schools can hit the 15M/year mark on a media deal; my hunch is it's closer to 12M/year. For OSU/WSU, if it's, for example a 13M/year deal, for 5-6 years, that will be reduced by the 21.5M payout to the MWC. Over 5 years, that's a 4.3M debit, leaving them with a surplus of 8.7M/year. Over 6 years, about 3.6M/year leaving them with a surplus of 9.4M/year. That's a lot to pay just to carry forward the Pac brand

OSU will likely be going back to the legislature or a bail-out because that's some pretty severe belt-tightening

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and lol at all the self-righteous chatter by OSU/WSU about other conferences raiding the Pac-12, and they turn around and do the same thing to the MWC

 

[wizenheimer]

“A year ago, Washington State and Oregon State were sympathetic figures because nobody wanted them. Now, they’re predators, digging their fangs into the carcass-strewn Mountain West.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/pac-12-adding-mountain-west-150208382.html

 

[Eastoff]

You suck McBain!

 

[BassPlaya]

I like where this is headed. I want no part of joining a non geographical conference as a money grab. Go Beavs.

Already planning a roadie to SDSU for a conference game. Ya baby!

 

[BassPlaya]

But I just don't get why OSU wants to be the self appointed savior of the Pac 12, 2, 6, maybe 8?

But I just don't get why you don't get this? Is there no respect or appreciation for tradition? Do dollars and un unrealistic shot at a Nattie supersede everything?

 

[wizenheimer]

But I just don't get why you don't get this? Is there no respect or appreciation for tradition? Do dollars and un unrealistic shot at a Nattie supersede everything?

I think people have an appreciation for tradition. But I think most of those have a more substantial appreciation for reality. I'm happy that the UofO made it into the Big-10; but I'm sad the Pac-12 died. Except for 5 seasons (1959-1963) when UofO/OSU went independent, the UofO, OSU, Cal, & UW have been in the same conference for 109 years. They formed the PCC in 1915. WSU joined in 1917; Stanford in 1918; USC in 1922; UCLA in 1928; ASU and Arizona in 1978 (46 years ago). Colorado and Utah were late additions in 2011. That is a lot of years of tradition. By the way, the Mountain West Conference and it's schools have traditions too. "Never mind those" said the Pac-2

this tradition argument seems pretty ideological. Kind of like the false dichotomy between amateurism and professionalism. The reality is that college sports, especially football, have been about the money since before WWII. Admission isn't free; neither are the uniforms or medical staffs; or the travel; or the coaches; or scholarships. Once a program is on those tracks, the athletic departments have prioritized budgets; revenues and expenses. Obviously, television has permanently altered the landscape. But before TV there was radio and print media

NIL and the transfer portal are just the latest episodes in the "Where the fuck are we going??" show.

here's the elephant in the room about college sports and tradition: it was a fool's paradise built on a rotten foundation. In hindsight, it amazes me that the courts didn't essentially rule that the NCAA was violating ant-trust laws 40-50 years ago instead of over just the last 5 years. Well, the genie is out of the bottle, Pandora's box is wide open, the cows have left the barn, and the water is miles downstream from under the bridge.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I think people have an appreciation for tradition. But I think most of those have a more substantial appreciation for reality. I'm happy that the UofO made it into the Big-10; but I'm sad the Pac-12 died. Except for 5 seasons (1959-1963) when UofO/OSU went independent, the UofO, OSU, Cal, & UW have been in the same conference for 109 years. They formed the PCC in 1915. WSU joined in 1917; Stanford in 1918; USC in 1922; UCLA in 1928; ASU and Arizona in 1978 (46 years ago). Colorado and Utah were late additions in 2011. That is a lot of years of tradition. By the way, the Mountain West Conference and it's schools have traditions too. "Never mind those" said the Pac-2

this tradition argument seems pretty ideological. Kind of like the false dichotomy between amateurism and professionalism. The reality is that college sports, especially football, have been about the money since before WWII. Admission isn't free; neither are the uniforms or medical staffs; or the travel; or the coaches; or scholarships. Once a program is on those tracks, the athletic departments have prioritized budgets; revenues and expenses. Obviously, television has permanently altered the landscape. But before TV there was radio and print media

NIL and the transfer portal are just the latest episodes in the "Where the fuck are we going??" show.

here's the elephant in the room about college sports and tradition: it was a fool's paradise built on a rotten foundation. In hindsight, it amazes me that the courts didn't essentially rule that the NCAA was violating ant-trust laws 40-50 years ago instead of over just the last 5 years. Well, the genie is out of the bottle, Pandora's box is wide open, the cows have left the barn, and the water is miles downstream from under the bridge.

I still loved it. I'm not sure if I'll have the same appreciation for college football moving forward.

I wish the Ducks could have remained in the PAC (I wish they all could have). I honestly wish that USC and UCLA would have just gone to the B1G and gotten their asses drubbed for 5 years until they crawled back. And we could have maybe added San Diego State, Boise, the others, and maybe Florida State and Clemson by then.

I understood why Oregon had to leave, but I don't like any part of it.

I was almost as big of a fan of the PAC as I am a fan of the Oregon Ducks.