OT Orlando has agreed to trade Serge Ibaka to Toronto for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick

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arguably, that's a better trade than we could've offered.
 
That is a solid gamble for Toronto. Isn't Serge Spanish? Toronto has a European feel to it, unless he hates the cold. Having his Bird rights, I think they have a good chance of re-signing him. Too bad, I think we could have offered more if we thought we could re-sign him.
 
There was a point at which I believe Ibaka said the team he was most interested in playing for was Toronto, mainly because of Ujiri. He has been on our radar for a while. Ujiri is extremely high on him.

Kyle Lowry will opt-out this summer making him a free agent. Re-signing Lowry and Ibaka would be an enormous feat for Weltman and will require some creative use of the cap. Likely requires Pat Patterson to walk which is a shame. In my estimation Patterson is one of the best role players in the league. Toronto is sacrificing a lot of depth in the deal which is one of the main reasons they've been winning for the last few seasons. Serious gamble.

Woj reported the pick going to Orlando as the "lower" of Toronto/LA Clippers 2017 which is a bit unclear. Toronto definitely doesn't need two first round picks this year. They don't really even need one. Delon Wright, Bruno Caboclo, and Jakob Poeltl hardly play as it is.

Like Patterson, Ross is quietly having a good season. If he ever dedicates himself to it he can become a good-to-great starting shooting guard. He was never going to get ahead of DeRozan so this is probably a good move for his career. There were rumblings the last few years that Ross was last to arrive/first to leave for practice and spent more time playing PS4 than honing his craft. Toronto sports fans are demanding and he didn't ever seem to get in their good graces.
 
Right now Toronto was reeling with loses. They was right Cleveland and there down in the 4th with Atlanta a game out from them.
 
Makes some sense for Toronto, since they're trying to contend. They should be taking some chances.

I'm a little concerned about Ibaka's defense, which seems to me to be declining, but this was probably the best chance Toronto had at an impact player and they certainly needed some kind of shake-up.
 
Weltman apparently leveraged a Taj Gibson trade to force Orlando to decide right away.
 
craigehlo said:
He'll be a solid bench player at the worst. He's already 100x better than Vonleh.
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Based on what, his incredible PER of 6.6?

Jeezus, why is the grass always so much greener everywhere else? If we had a starter putting up his numbers, everyone around here would be bitching about him being a bust and we never should have traded Ibaka for such a talentless scrub.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Based on what, his incredible PER of 6.6?

Jeezus, why is the grass always so much greener everywhere else? If we had a starter putting up his numbers, everyone around here would be bitching about him being a bust and we never should have traded Ibaka for such a talentless scrub.
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I suspect the Sabonis name is carrying some cache around these parts. If he had another name, I don't think he'd be nearly as esteemed.
 
Minstrel said:
I suspect the Sabonis name is carrying some cache around these parts. If he had another name, I don't think he'd be nearly as esteemed.
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Yeah, I know he is a rookie, but just look at how godawful his advanced stats are. He gets killed individually by his opponents and OKC, which is a winning team, has a negative scoring margin when he's on the court. He's a big man with a 40% FG% and a Bargnani like TRB% of 9.5%. He's one of the few big men in the league who has a worse PER than both Meyers Leonard and Noah Vonleh, but his name is Sabonis, so I guess that means he gets a free pass.

BNM
 
Natebishop3 said:
If I was the ownership in Orlando, I would read that tweet and fire the GM immediately.
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If I was the ownership in Orlando, I would sell the team before I do further damage to its market value.

The GM has been only part of the problem. The organization has been waffling back and forth between win now and go young for the last three seasons. The GM does what they tell him to do, then they change their mind. This is what happens when you have that level of indecision coming from the top of the organization. It's also why Scott Skiles bailed on them and left millions on the table.

They may not have a head case like Boogie Cousins to deal with, but as an organization, they may be even more dysfunctional than SAC.

BNM
 
Cippy91 said:
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Orlando was mediocre, took some risks, and is still mediocre. That's life in the NBA, you either need a lot of patience, or to take risks.

Post also completely ignores the salary cap. Not a well thought out post, just trying to rile people up.
 
Boob-No-More said:
If I was the ownership in Orlando, I would sell the team before I do further damage to its market value.

The GM has been only part of the problem. The organization has been waffling back and forth between win now and go young for the last three seasons. The GM does what they tell him to do, then they change their mind. This is what happens when you have that level of indecision coming from the top of the organization. It's also why Scott Skiles bailed on them and left millions on the table.

They may not have a head case like Boogie Cousins to deal with, but as an organization, they may be even more dysfunctional than SAC.

BNM
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I didn't follow Orlando very closely back in the 90s, but I watched the 30/30 on Netflix about the Shaq & Penny days. I had no idea that the Magic didn't outright pay Shaq. They low balled him, and he got a bigger offer from LA. They completely blew it. Worst organization ever.
 
I'd take hezonja for one those protected seconds...and I don't even really like him!
 
Natebishop3 said:
I didn't follow Orlando very closely back in the 90s, but I watched the 30/30 on Netflix about the Shaq & Penny days. I had no idea that the Magic didn't outright pay Shaq. They low balled him, and he got a bigger offer from LA. They completely blew it. Worst organization ever.
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I remember it well. They literally chased him out of town. They vilified him in the press before, during and after he left. First, he was the reason they got swept by HOU in the finals. Sure Hakeem had a great series, but he was one of the greatest centers of all time in the prime of his career (won the MVP the year before). Shaq was only 22, but still held his own against Hakeem (28.0 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 6.3 apg, 2.5 bpg). Yet the ORL management and press made him a scapegoat.

Then he was the greedy young player who was only concerned about money and not winning. Then when he was signed by the Lakers, he cared more about the shallow glamour of the Hollywood lifestyle than the good people or Orlando.

I have never been a huge Shaq fan, because I thought he could have been even better if he would have worked on his game in the off season (or at least stayed in shape), but I couldn't believe how stupid ORL was to run him out of town. They were dumb enough that they actually WANTED him to leave so they wouldn't have to pay him.

BNM
 
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