Orthopedic Surgeon Dr. Bart Rask

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BGrantFan said:
Actually, it has been determined. The LA doctor said that micro-fracture would not help Roy's knees. Roy is quoted as saying this, and that his knees are something that he will have to deal with for the rest of his career.
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That really doesn't "determine" it. Lots of things have to be dealt with career-long. Some of things are more serious, some are less serious. Obviously, Roy's issues sound more serious...but precisely how serious doesn't seem determined to me, yet. As far as I can tell, anyway.
 
I feel like there's a whole lot of quibbling over the minutiae here. One way or another Roy does have bone-on-bone contact and it's causing him enough pain that he can't play.

Maybe the short term problem is that the anti-inflammatory meds haven't fully kicked in and once he's been on the regimen for a little while he'll be able to find a balance between playing through the pain and being somewhat effective. But long term it seems like we're staring at a problem that is unlikely to get better with more wear and tear and I find it highly unlikely that he'll be an effective player by the end of the term of his contract (and probably not even two years from now).

Regardless it does make me wonder that if his name were Darius Miles, and this were happening a year earlier, we'd be hearing quotes from KP about how he'll need a knee replacement if he keeps playing and there'd be some process in the works to push him into a medical retirement -- and no, this is not to suggest that Miles' medical retirement was a sham.
 
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Minstrel said:
That really doesn't "determine" it. Lots of things have to be dealt with career-long. Some of things are more serious, some are less serious. Obviously, Roy's issues sound more serious...but precisely how serious doesn't seem determined to me, yet. As far as I can tell, anyway.
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Clue phone is ringing: It's very serious. Are you intentionally being obtuse?

There isn't really a good spin to put on Roy's knees right now; that, at the very least, has been "determined".
 
Nikolokolus said:
Regardless it does make me wonder that if his name were Darius Miles, and this were happening a year earlier, we'd be hearing quotes from KP about how he'll need a knee replacement if he keeps playing and there'd be some process in the works to push him into a medical retirement -- and no, this is not to suggest that Miles' medical retirement was a sham.
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I thought that as well. I didn't want to post it, but here it is, out in the open. Brandon seemingly has a degenerative condition in both knees. For the Blazers, this is a nightmare.
 
Little do we know when Elliot Williams went down for knee surgery, it was really to part him out so they can sew his knee's on to Roy for the first human knee replacement using another human knee. Afterwards, Roy will be able to have Williams legendary 48" vertical to go along with his floor game!
 
BGrantFan said:
"Roy is screwed" if there are large areas of bone-on-bone, if small areas, micro-fracture may be an option, but on both knees.

He's mentioned retirement twice now.

I thought I'd feel better about Roy after listening to an expert, but this does not sound good at all.

"Career-ending"...

Well-known knee specialist was just on 1080. I'm deflated. If micro-fracture isn't going to help, it's all over, isn't it?
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I don't know. RR7 states Roy is 100% healthy.
 
RoyToy said:
Steve Patterson is supposed to be on the show at 5:05 tomorrow to discuss Brandon Roy's medical reports during the 2006 draft and they already mentioned that SP said the only red flag was his ankle, nothing on his knees. If that's the case then that's the final straw for me with this Blazers training staff if they checked him and that's all they found.
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They should have been fired AGES ago. That seems self evident. I assume you also mean medical staff. I like Bobby Medina as a guy, but something ain't right with our training and medical staff. Far too many injuries that were preventable and/or caused by false green lights to go (Batum, Webster, Blake, Rudy, Roy) no wonder Oden is nervous its not like our medical/training have a good track record.
 
Idog1976 said:
They should have been fired AGES ago. That seems self evident. I assume you also mean medical staff. I like Bobby Medina as a guy, but something ain't right with our training and medical staff. Far too many injuries that were preventable and/or caused by false green lights to go (Batum, Webster, Blake, Rudy, Roy) no wonder Oden is nervous its not like our medical/training have a good track record.
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There's nothing a medical staff can do to prevent these kinds of injuries. Best practices are best practices and some of these guys have been with the team for literally decades.

The real issue seems to lie with the personnel department drafting guys with red flagged physicals
 
Minstrel said:
That really doesn't "determine" it. Lots of things have to be dealt with career-long. Some of things are more serious, some are less serious. Obviously, Roy's issues sound more serious...but precisely how serious doesn't seem determined to me, yet. As far as I can tell, anyway.
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Well if it's not deemed serious now it will only be a matter of time until it is unless the Blazers find a magic surgery to correct the problem. The longer those bones grind together the more pain there will be and the worse it will get. It doesn't get any better at this point without some kind of magical surgery to stop the bone on bone from happening.
 
BGrantFan said:
I thought that as well. I didn't want to post it, but here it is, out in the open. Brandon seemingly has a degenerative condition in both knees. For the Blazers, this is a nightmare.
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For some of the Blazers it's a dream come true, as they will finally get the pt they need to become stars.
 
BGrantFan said:
It's pretty cut-and-dry, at least in terms of 'bone-on-bone'. Rask has been a knee specialist for 38 years. If there are small areas, then micro-fracture (on both knees) is an option. If large areas, then micro-fracture (on both knees) won't help.

Unless you know better than Bart Rask, of course. My wall of denial surrounding Roy just collapsed, and the reality of Roy's options are standing in front of me.
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My Orthopedic surgion said the same thing. Like DR Rask, he hasn't seen Roy, but said that's really the option.
 
BGrantFan said:
Clue phone is ringing: It's very serious. Are you intentionally being obtuse?
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Minstrel said:
Some of things are more serious, some are less serious. Obviously, Roy's issues sound more serious...but precisely how serious doesn't seem determined to me, yet.
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Obnoxious and unable to read is no way to go through life, son.

I understand that you suddenly snapped while listening to the good doctor on the radio and now you're Angry and want us all to be as upset as you. That's cool, but I'm not ready to be as upset as you.
 
Minstrel said:
Obnoxious and unable to read is no way to go through life, son.

I understand that you suddenly snapped while listening to the good doctor on the radio and now you're Angry and want us all to be as upset as you. That's cool, but I'm not ready to be as upset as you.
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If anyone gives a fuck, here's my thought process:

- Roy has looked poor since preseason
- Roy has been hobbled for the last several games
- Roy leaves last game with acute pain

So there are the observations, here's the commentary so far as I'm aware:

- Roy says this is a condition he "will have to deal with" with for the rest of his career
- Roy says that he has "no" meniscus in either knee, that it's "bone on bone"
- *IMPORTANT* No doctors or Blazers officials refute Roy's previous comment.

So we have a player who's health has divebombed since the start of the season, and something was obviously "different" even before he started limping. But the big thing for me is that the Blazers have not refuted the claim that Roy's knees are both bone on bone.

Having so established, I find it astonishing that anyone would think this man has a career in the NBA. I don't mean to upset anyone, but honestly... tell me where I'm wrong. I see no way that he will ever return to his previous level of production, and I see ALMOST no way that he will be an All-Star level player. That COMPLETELY fucks any hopes we have of a championship in the next few years, without a doubt. We signed him to a 5-year contract, and we'll have to eat it.
 
Elvin Jones said:
If anyone gives a fuck, here's my thought process:

- Roy has looked poor since preseason
- Roy has been hobbled for the last several games
- Roy leaves last game with acute pain

So there are the observations, here's the commentary so far as I'm aware:

- Roy says this is a condition he "will have to deal with" with for the rest of his career
- Roy says that he has "no" meniscus in either knee, that it's "bone on bone"
- *IMPORTANT* No doctors or Blazers officials refute Roy's previous comment.

So we have a player who's health has divebombed since the start of the season, and something was obviously "different" even before he started limping. But the big thing for me is that the Blazers have not refuted the claim that Roy's knees are both bone on bone.

Having so established, I find it astonishing that anyone would think this man has a career in the NBA. I don't mean to upset anyone, but honestly... tell me where I'm wrong. I see no way that he will ever return to his previous level of production, and I see ALMOST no way that he will be an All-Star level player. That COMPLETELY fucks any hopes we have of a championship in the next few years, without a doubt. We signed him to a 5-year contract, and we'll have to eat it.
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You might be right, but there's nothing for it but waiting and watching.
 
Elvin Jones said:
Having so established, I find it astonishing that anyone would think this man has a career in the NBA. I don't mean to upset anyone, but honestly... tell me where I'm wrong. I see no way that he will ever return to his previous level of production, and I see ALMOST no way that he will be an All-Star level player.
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You quoted me, so I assume this was somehow a response to me. I don't disagree (or agree, really) with you. I'm comfortable saying that I have no real idea and that everything that's come out so far looks bad. Except that Roy actually was somewhat productive the games he played this season, even if he looked much worse (and wasn't as productive as before).

My uninformed assumption is that Roy will not be an All-Star level player going forward. But he could be an above average player. The only route to championship contention I see if Oden becomes a dominant force, Batum becoming an All-Star caliber player and Aldridge and Roy being good players.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You might be right, but there's nothing for it but waiting and watching.
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Okay, but does anyone really think that Roy's knees will, for some established medical reason, allow him to be the superstar we expected him to become? Or even allow him to remain the star he has been? Or even allow him to be an effective player in any respect?

Absolutely not to the first, no to the second, and probably not to the third are my opinions.
 
Elvin Jones said:
Okay, but does anyone really think that Roy's knees will, for some established medical reason, allow him to be the superstar we expected him to become? Or even allow him to remain the star he has been? Or even allow him to be an effective player in any respect?

Absolutely not to the first, no to the second, and probably not to the third are my opinions.
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Maybe I'm all tapped out when it comes to summoning emotional responses over this team and its injuries, but 4 years (maybe 6 if you count Z-bo and Miles?) have kind of taken the fight out of me.

To be completely frank, I've already kind of made the shift from hoping and expecting a deep playoff run, to expecting another rebuilding phase; so I've kind of mentally blocked out the stories surrounding Roy, Oden, et al. and focused my attention on youngsters like Batum and Johnson.

I get the feeling that you still have pretty high expectations, or that your high expectations have just recently taken a hit and I'm sorry if that's the case; the situation sucks, it's frustrating and it makes it hard to watch at times, but there's nothing anybody can say that will make the situation more tolerable or perfectly clarify exactly what the future will hold with these injured guys.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Maybe I'm all tapped out when it comes to summoning emotional responses over this team and its injuries, but 4 years (maybe 6 if you count Z-bo and Miles?) have kind of taken the fight out of me.

To be completely frank, I've already kind of made the shift from hoping and expecting a deep playoff run, to expecting another rebuilding phase; so I've kind of mentally blocked out the stories surrounding Roy, Oden, et al. and focused my attention on youngsters like Batum and Johnson.

I get the feeling that you still have pretty high expectations, or that your high expectations have just recently taken a hit and I'm sorry if that's the case; the situation sucks, it's frustrating and it makes it hard to watch at times, but there's nothing anybody can say that will make the situation more tolerable or perfectly clarify exactly what the future will hold with these injured guys.
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I am only now, over the last few days, coming to grips with the fact that we are likely going to be rebuilding, unless these things happen:

- Batum becomes a star
- Rudy turns into a legitimate third option
- L.A. becomes a consistent star
- Matthews exceeds his production from last season
- Armon Johnson surprises the hell out of us
- Oden becomes a star, and magically doesn't get injured

If all five of these were to happen in the next few years, we could possibly contend. I have listed them in descending order of what I think is likely, with Roy staying healthy left off because... yeah, I just think he's done. I think it's most likely that Batum becomes a boni-fide star in his own right, but that will not be enough to make us a good team.
 
Minstrel said:
Obnoxious and unable to read is no way to go through life, son.

I understand that you suddenly snapped while listening to the good doctor on the radio and now you're Angry and want us all to be as upset as you. That's cool, but I'm not ready to be as upset as you.
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Huh? You talk about what has been "determined". Roy says he is "bone on bone", and the LA doctor said that micro-fracture won't help him. This has literally been "determined". Now, it is about how to cope with the injury.

You're not making much sense.
 
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J~Rush said:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/813381/Jeff-Hornacek-Battle-on-Wounded-Knee.html?pg=1
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Hugely different situation. Here's why ...

So how does he play?

The answer has a whole lot to do with Hornacek, who intends to retire from full-time NBA play after the Jazz finish this playoff run, plus the work of a rather unlikely coalition of health-care professionals who help make the pain as tolerable as possible and the joint as functional as it can be.

And that is not easy, considering Hornacek's knee has degenerated to the point that he cannot extend his left leg all the way forward or flex it back beyond much more than 90 degrees.
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Well, the one positive about the whole Oden ordeal is that it's numbed me to this kind of news. Brandon Roy has a potentially career-ending knee problem? Cool.
 
BGrantFan said:
Huh? You talk about what has been "determined". Roy says he is "bone on bone", and the LA doctor said that micro-fracture won't help him. This has literally been "determined". Now, it is about how to cope with the injury.

You're not making much sense.
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None of what you said has anything to do with what I said. I said it hasn't been determined precisely how serious Roy's condition is. None of the things you just mentioned contradicts that...it only shows that his condition is serious, which I already stipulated.
 
BGrantFan said:
Of course you don't. You're the king (or queen) of equivocation. It's noteworthy.
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Your angry man routine is killer. You should go on tour. I am literally scathed!
 
Minstrel said:
None of what you said has anything to do with what I said. I said it hasn't been determined precisely how serious Roy's condition is. None of the things you just mentioned contradicts that...it only shows that his condition is serious, which I already stipulated.
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I think the article on Blazersedge further supports this claim.
 
Minstrel said:
Your angry man routine is killer. You should go on tour. I am literally scathed!
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Angry man? I said you equivocate, which you do more than any other poster on this board (or maybe you don't).

;)
 
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