OT: Bulls trade Deng to Cavs for Bynum + picks

[illmatic99]

Bout time the Bulls decided to break that up. Makes no sense for CLE whatsoever.

 

[illmatic99]

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probasketballdraft ‏@Probballdraft
Cavs send Blazers 2015 & 2016 2nd rounder, Sacramento 1st rounder, and right to swap 2015 1st rounder but lottery protected.

That SAC pick is top 12 protected this year. Could be the major piece in all this.

 

[magnifier661]

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That SAC pick is top 12 protected this year. Could be the major piece in all this.

That's what I was thinking too. Adding Bynum could make Noah play PF, which allows them to amnesty Boozer.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Bynum going to get waived (to save cap room for Bulls) and then sign with someone. Probably Heat.

 

[illmatic99]

Bynum going to get waived (to save cap room for Bulls) and then sign with someone. Probably Heat.

Yup. This was a salary dump by CHI. If they play Bynum, they will have to pay him his full contract.

But I doubt he ends up in MIA with GO already there. Possibly back in LA or NY. If he weren't such a headcase, I'd like him here as a backup big for the playoffs.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The pick is heavily protected (via Sacramento) until 2017 and if not received by then it turns into a second round pick, top-55 protected.

Cleveland gave up nothing.

 

[Natebishop3]

Man.... I would love to have Boozer on our bench. Doubt it happens but he would be amazing on our second unit.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Dumping Deng for cap space, hmm. It'll be interesting to hear Denny's take who has always said that Deng was a near all-star.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Need a Denny analysis . . .

 

[oldmangrouch]

What did the Cavs gain by this? Do they think renting Deng for a few months will win them a title?

 

[Natebishop3]

What did the Cavs gain by this? Do they think renting Deng for a few months will win them a title?

The Gasol trade actually made sense. This one.... not so much.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

To recap:

Deng rejected a 3 year $30m extension last week.

The two second rounders are from the Blazers via the Crabbe trade.

The first rounder from Sac is heavily protected until 2017, then it turns into a 2nd rounder, top-55 protected.

The right to swap picks in 2015 only happens if it's a non-lotto pick.

 

[Samuel]

Man.... I would love to have Boozer on our bench. Doubt it happens but he would be amazing on our second unit.

Yeah, that's the Blazers angle on this whole thing, methinks.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

What did the Cavs gain by this? Do they think renting Deng for a few months will win them a title?

Bynum was not giving them anything, so a chance at resigning Deng was worth it for them. Very low risk in his deal.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I'll put this out there....

For 12-ish mpg Bynum would be solid backing up Lopez.

 

[ripcityboy]

Salary dump. At first glance I thought Cleveland was giving away a lot, now it doesn't.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'll put this out there....

For 12-ish mpg Bynum would be solid backing up Lopez.

Yes, adding a player who is a cancer and doesn't want to even play basketball anymore is the perfect player to add to the Blazers.

 

[Draco]

What did the Cavs gain by this? Do they think renting Deng for a few months will win them a title?

The Cavs gave up a pick that can be no higher than 12th this year or 10th next. They will have bird rights on Deng and can offer him more than any other team. They have a chance to see how he fits with the team and if he is happy with his role they would be the front runners to resign him. Deng may end up being the #1 free agent available this offseason. As crappy as the East is its not far fetched to think the Cavs could even make a run at HCA this season.

The Bulls save a ton of money, avoid a repeater luxury tax in future seasons, improve their draft pick and add some other draft picks.

I like this trade for both teams but more so for the Cavs. I don't think the Bulls will end up with a player of Deng's caliber even if they amnesty Boozer. Maybe they would make an offer to Melo but I'm not sure he is an all around upgrade and that is basically their dream scenario now. Most likely the Bulls settle for the 5th or 6th best free agent, and have to grossly overpay him; as they did when they originally signed Boozer.

 

[Denny Crane]

Follow the money.

Bulls management is cheap. Never liked paying the Luxury Tax. Paid it last year, was in LT payroll this season. Now they're not going to pay it.

The talk all along was they were going to amnesty Boozer this summer and re-sign Deng. From what I've seen of Bulls ownership and management, there's no way they'd amnesty Boozer because it would cut into their bottom line.

From management's point of view, he is leaving no matter what this summer. May as well get something for him, even if it's saving the LT payments.

I'd be on the lookout for where Taj Gibson is going to end up. Maybe Thibs is gone, too.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Great trade for both teams and the team who ends up with Bynum

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.blogabull.com/2014/1/7/5283442/luol-deng-trade-bulls-save-money-gain-spending-flexibility

That and a 2015 swap (also lottery-protected) with Cleveland, 2 second rounders...there isn't much in terms of assets, here. And using the term 'cap flexibility' is kind of a misnomer, since at worst Deng was going to be a free agent and be off their cap next season if not re-signed.

But they do save pure cash. A lot of it. Based on calculations of their payroll and tax obligations prior to the trade, after waiving Bynum (oh, right: they're gonna do that as to not guarantee the rest of his season's salary) the Bulls will save $20.6m this season. Dipping under the luxury tax also means they'll get the yearly payout from New York and other high-payroll owners which is another $2-3m.

It's not exclusively cash, there is 'flexibility' gained here as well by getting under the tax this season. Essentially, it keeps them out of a repeater range for a few seasons. The Bulls paid the tax for the first time ever last year, and if they had done so this year their next tax paying year (given it was in the next 2 years) would've made them a repeater. Assuming that they were very likely going to be under the cap (and thus far under the tax) this offseason, you can think of this gained flexibility as not paying the tax this year 'affording' them to pay it in 2015-16. It's like, oh, trading Kyle Korver for a trade exception that may get you another player in a year.

This is what made this Bynum contract a unique opportunity that wasn't available from any other team at any other time this season. Not mere cap flexiblity or perhaps a young player on a cheap deal, but immediate savings. KC phrased the Cavs including these picks as 'meeting the Bulls demands', but I'd have to think it's the Bulls that blinked: the deal had to be done by today for Bynum to be cut before his contract was guaranteed.

 

[Natebishop3]

Follow the money.

Bulls management is cheap. Never liked paying the Luxury Tax. Paid it last year, was in LT payroll this season. Now they're not going to pay it.

The talk all along was they were going to amnesty Boozer this summer and re-sign Deng. From what I've seen of Bulls ownership and management, there's no way they'd amnesty Boozer because it would cut into their bottom line.

From management's point of view, he is leaving no matter what this summer. May as well get something for him, even if it's saving the LT payments.

I'd be on the lookout for where Taj Gibson is going to end up. Maybe Thibs is gone, too.

Do you think Chicago would be interested in doing a Rolo/something for Noah?

Right now they have very similar numbers, but Noah is a much better defensive player, and Lopez is making less than half of what Noah is making.

 

[Denny Crane]

Do you think Chicago would be interested in doing a Rolo/something for Noah?

Right now they have very similar numbers, but Noah is a much better defensive player, and Lopez is making less than half of what Noah is making.

No. At this point I think Noah is untouchable. He may throw a fit and force his way out, though.

Noah is an all-star, top whatever C in the league on a $10M contract. No way do they want to give that up.

 

[cmeese47]

Look this was a good trade for Cleveland. As already mentioned the picks they gave up are either protected or second round throw ins. Adding Deng is a great move as his defense will be a nice change of pace in Cleveland. Not to mention they will be able to resign him this summer if they fail to land Lebron, which they will cause that team with Deng is still not very good.

The Bulls saved some money and can start angling for the lottery. Maybe even look into to trading Rose as well especially if you have long term concerns about his health.

 

[BigGameDamian]

What did the Cavs gain by this? Do they think renting Deng for a few months will win them a title?

I don't know if I'd call it renting. The Cavs have some good pieces. I've always been pulling for them ever since that LeBron fiasco.

 

[Denny Crane]

Deng is a UFA. He'd have to willingly re-sign with the Cavs.

 

[BigGameDamian]

No. At this point I think Noah is untouchable. He may throw a fit and force his way out, though.

Noah is an all-star, top whatever C in the league on a $10M contract. No way do they want to give that up.

But Lopez is one of the best just look at his numbers.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Deng rejected a three-year $30 million extension with Chicago.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

To recap:

Deng rejected a 3 year $30m extension last week.

The two second rounders are from the Blazers via the Crabbe trade.

The first rounder from Sac is heavily protected until 2017, then it turns into a 2nd rounder, top-55 protected.

The right to swap picks in 2015 only happens if it's a non-lotto pick.

Deng rejected a three-year $30 million extension with Chicago.

Which was said already.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I'll put this out there....

For 12-ish mpg Bynum would be solid backing up Lopez.

Go ahead and put it back in. No thank you.