OT: Bummer for Kevin Pritchard

[Stevenson]

I always liked KP, and loved what he did here. It was hard on all of us to lose Roy and Oden to injuries, and in the process lose a championship window. It must have been really tough though on the architect of that team.

And here it happens to him again. He helped build a contender in Indy, and now that window is firmly closed, and again with a devastating injury - this time to Paul George.

That must really suck.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think KP recommended to the Indy owner that PG gets a max contract knowing he was going to suffer a severe injury.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I have no sympathy for KP. Here in Portland he drafted players like Roy and Oden, KNOWING they had injury risks. Teams have come out and talked since about the medical red flags on both. He rolled the dice and crapped out

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think KP recommended to the Indy owner that PG gets a max contract knowing he was going to suffer a severe injury.

I like the cute response, but Roy was different in that he had bad knees when he signed. George broke his leg after the fact

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The Pacers were pretty injury free last year and still collapsed. George getting injured just gives him an excuse for losing.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

PRITCHSLAP!
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:MARIS61:

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I have no sympathy for KP. Here in Portland he drafted players like Roy and Oden, KNOWING they had injury risks. Teams have come out and talked since about the medical red flags on both. He rolled the dice and crapped out

Even knowing what eventually happens I would still draft Roy again. He was a huge breath of fresh air at the time when this franchise desperately needed one. I haven't ever considered drafting Roy a mistake. I'm sorry that you do.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

THE WARNING SIGNS WERE THERE.

http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/365891-fire-pritchard.html

 

[HailBlazers]

Even knowing what eventually happens I would still draft Roy again. He was a huge breath of fresh air at the time when this franchise desperately needed one. I haven't ever considered drafting Roy a mistake.

Word. Hate to say it but not everything is about Championships.

 

[jlprk]

I was already saying it when the Pacers were folding late last season.

The presence of Pritchard is a curse to wherever he resides.

 

[NewsSource]

THE WARNING SIGNS WERE THERE.

http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/365891-fire-pritchard.html

3 teams later, ZBo finally got it and understood he's not a franchise player. How did the Knicks end up after that deal? 55 wins total with Randolph. Meanwhile, the 2008-09 Blazers won 54 games, nearly matching the 2 year total of ZBo's Knicks.

 

[jlprk]

3 teams later, ZBo finally got it and understood he's not a franchise player. How did the Knicks end up after that deal? 55 wins total with Randolph. Meanwhile, the 2008-09 Blazers won 54 games, nearly matching the 2 year total of ZBo's Knicks.

So you're saying we should have replaced McMillan with Lionel Hollins, kept Zach, and traded Aldridge for the Durant pick. We agree.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So you're saying we should have replaced McMillan with Lionel Hollins, kept Zach, and traded Aldridge for the Durant pick.

Seattle was not going to trade us the #2 pick for LMA.

 

[NewsSource]

So you're saying we should have replaced McMillan with Lionel Hollins, kept Zach, and traded Aldridge for the Durant pick. We agree.

I just remembered why I have you on ignore. My mistake for clicking "view post." I thought maybe you had something substantive in your post, since clearly Portland had more success compared to the Knicks after the ZBO trade. Instead, more of the same.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

So you're saying we should have replaced McMillan with Lionel Hollins, kept Zach, and traded Aldridge for the Durant pick. We agree.

Seattle was not going to trade us the #2 pick for LMA.

Also Zach's personal life was completely out of control here in Portland. Bringing in Hollins would not have changed that.

 

[NewsSource]

This guy seems to be one of the only reasonable posters in the thread that El Presidente linked!

http://www.basketballforum.com/4858342-post89.html

Keep in mind that Oden had just been drafted to be the center to LMA's PF, so let's not start the "but LMA would have played center" stuff again.

 

[jlprk]

Seattle was not going to trade us the #2 pick for LMA.

Huh? You think teams won't trade us #2 for Aldridge?

I just remembered why I have you on ignore.

I never forgot. Next time, ask me if you can't remember.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Huh? You think teams won't trade us #2 for Aldridge?

Not back then during that specific draft.

 

[jlprk]

You have miraculous prescience...and everyone knew Jordan would be GOAT. How could we be so stupid as to pass him up?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

3 teams later, ZBo finally got it and understood he's not a franchise player. How did the Knicks end up after that deal? 55 wins total with Randolph. Meanwhile, the 2008-09 Blazers won 54 games, nearly matching the 2 year total of ZBo's Knicks.

The Knicks and the Clippers were laughably badly run organizations. Not the best measure of his performance. Zach on the meantime, multiple time all star, led his team to the Western Conference Finals, 3rd team all NBA. What did the Blazers do with the assets they acquired? Sat on them with the promise of assloads of cap space which basically crippled them from making any major moves for years. What we traded him for was shit, it was reactionary. In that sense, Pritchard was fucking horrible. Him and his cap guru errand boy just wasted the time away which is why Pritch was eventually fired and cap boy is nothing more than a commentator on ESPN.

Channing Frye was useless. So was paying Steve Francis contract. ZBO-Expiring Contract would have been much better. And he wouldn't have hindered Aldridge at all.

I wonder what ever happened to those "impending federal charges" certain posters had "inside knowledge of". Just laughable.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Pritchard likes to swing for the fences when he has a good thing going. Blazers with everyone, pre-ZBO trade were good and had a lot of talent ready to go. Just like Indy pre-Granger trade..that totally fucked up the team chemistry. Paul George thing was a freak accident but trading Granger was probably the beginning of the end of that Indiana Franchise as it was, they just free-fell after that.

 

[NewsSource]

What did the Blazers do with the assets they acquired?

It's more about the assests they had, or thought they had at the time, and how Pritchard wanted to use them. Even with Roy, a 3-time All-Star, and Oden, who I think we all can agree that if healthy is a bigger version of Dwight Howard (as well as a better FT shooter), Pritchard managed to give LMA more minutes instead of ZBO doing what ZBO did back then, which was whine and act like a horse's ass, and guy who is lucky that the women he allegedly raped in the hotel room went with a financial settlement over pressing charges. Minutes that led to him being Roy's second on play-off teams. Minutes that led to LMA being a two-time All-Star at present.

Why would anyone think that ZBO in 2007 had any value at all?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The moves that worked out for KP were few and most have blown up in his face. I do not know why anyone thinks he is genius.

 

[jlprk]

doing what ZBO did back then, which was whine and act like a horse's ass, and guy who is lucky that the women he allegedly raped in the hotel room went with a financial settlement over pressing charges.

Utter bullshit. Zach was praised by your ally The Oregonian as a quiet pro. His behavior was not loud like Sheed and Ruben. The defense has to guard Zach the whole game, unlike Aldridge, whose attention wavers.

 

[Wheels]

Even knowing what eventually happens I would still draft Roy again. He was a huge breath of fresh air at the time when this franchise desperately needed one. I haven't ever considered drafting Roy a mistake. I'm sorry that you do.

I'm 100% on this. the few years of Roy that we had, still were worth more than still having a Randy Foye imo.

 

[Natebishop3]

Speaking of KP, I was watching an NBA Classic game between the Run TMC Warriors and the 91 Blazers. Pritchard was a rookie for the Dubs. Pretty hilarious.

BTW, that Run TMC squad was insanely fun to watch. Golden State was flat out stupid for breaking up that team.

 

[NewsSource]

Golden State was flat out stupid for breaking up that team.

Those were fun teams, but the most wins they had in a season was 44.

 

[Natebishop3]

Those were fun teams, but the most wins they had in a season was 44.

but they were so young...

Richmond was only 25 when he was traded to the Kings. Hardaway was 25 or 26. Mullin was 27 or 28. The team was just coming into their own. They blew the team up because they couldn't get past the Lakers. It seems to me it was an overreaction. Keep those three together and keep adding talent. Mullin and Richmond was HOFers. If anything, they should have traded Hardaway first and not Richmond. That was definitely a stupid move.

 

[NewsSource]

but they were so young...

Richmond was only 25 when he was traded to the Kings. Hardaway was 25 or 26. Mullin was 27 or 28. The team was just coming into their own. They blew the team up because they couldn't get past the Lakers. It seems to me it was an overreaction. Keep those three together and keep adding talent. Mullin and Richmond was HOFers. If anything, they should have traded Hardaway first and not Richmond. That was definitely a stupid move.

They were terrible up front, though, and had to make a move to get better. The dumbest move they made back in the '90s was trading away Chris Webber for Tom Gugliotta and picks. What a horrific trade, especially since the Warriors basically chose Don Nelson over Webber, and still fired Nelson the next season.

PG Tim Hardaway
SG Chris Mullin
SF Latrell Sprewell
PF Chris Webber
C Chris Gatling

That's a nice starting 5, but because Nellie insisted on playing Webber at the 5, he and Webber clashed, and the rest is one of the most boneheaded decisions in NBA front office history. It took until Baron Davis in 2007 for the Warriors to even make the playoffs again.

 

[Stevenson]

I saw that Hardwood Classics game too Nate. Quite fun.

Do you think Mitch Richmond is a HOFer? I lived in Sac when he played there. He was great, but I wouldn't have voted him in.