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The most recent proposal has the Spurs sending Roger Mason, George Hill, Fabricio Oberto and Bruce Bowen to New Jersey for Carter.
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The Nets would immediately waive Oberto and Bowen to get themselves under the 15-man roster limit.
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via realgm

I'm thinking that trade would put the Spurs ahead of Lakers in West. That would be a very dangerous team.
 
zagsfan20 said:
via realgm

I'm thinking that trade would put the Spurs ahead of Lakers in West. That would be a very dangerous team.
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Interesting... and then Bowen would re-sign.... or would he? I wonder if we could throw some money at Bowen.
 
Why wouldn't we beat that offer from the Spurs? I'd be tempted to do it, simply because I wouldn't want San Antonio to get him.
 
What a stupid trade for the Spurs. They must be really, really desperate or something.
 
JE said:
What a stupid trade for the Spurs. They must be really, really desperate or something.
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Doesn't seem like they give up much to get him though, but yes, their window is closing and they need to make a move. How many more good years does Duncan have? Can Parker and Ginobili prop up the team after he leaves?
 
Well this certainly would back the theory that NJ wants to dump Carter's contract as some of us suggested. (And not expect much back) I think some of the proposals that we came up with beats this.
 
Im not sure if they'd want to trade Mason AND Bowen. Well, Bowen is probably just about done, but Mason is pretty good.

But in a way, I'd like that trade to happen. Just because it'd be interesting to see how a good coach can handle Vince Carter instead of the jokes he's had in his career.
 
Carter will FUBAR that team. They're much better off trying to swing a trade for Salmons. It won't cost them either of the great defenders they'd be giving up for Carter (Hill/Bowen).
 
julius said:
Im not sure if they'd want to trade Mason AND Bowen. Well, Bowen is probably just about done, but Mason is pretty good.

But in a way, I'd like that trade to happen. Just because it'd be interesting to see how a good coach can handle Vince Carter instead of the jokes he's had in his career.
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I think the real mistake would be trading George Hill. He can flat out defend, I think he'll see multiple trips to the all defensive teams.
 
xflavioVC15x said:
There is no way this trade is happening. For it to go down Nets have to cut 3 players.
http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=7380
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They would "immediately waive Oberto and Bowen." They would really have to waive one of their players. And what do you expect Kiki to say? Pritchard said the exact same thing when the Zach Randolph rumors surfaced.
 
Fez said:
They would "immediately waive Oberto and Bowen." They would really have to waive one of their players. And what do you expect Kiki to say? Pritchard said the exact same thing when the Zach Randolph rumors surfaced.
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Nets have 15 players on their roster now. They can only trade 1 for 1 or more they can't trade 1 for 2 unless they cut players which they're not doing
 
The Nets are going to have to cut people for the trade to work. The only people on one year deals are Ager and Swift (which they'd have to eat a chunk of money to cut him). I don't know if I see it happening.
 
Carter is still a very solid player and he hasn't been injured much at all this season. Spurs are a team built to win now, and Carter is a player that fits their timeline perfectly. Lol at John Salmons being a better pickup then Carter.
 
zagsfan20 said:
Carter is still a very solid player and he hasn't been injured much at all this season. Spurs are a team built to win now, and Carter is a player that fits their timeline perfectly. Lol at John Salmons being a better pickup then Carter.
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Ridiculous. Instead of just looking at names, how about taking into account things like style of play, attitude, and strengths/weaknesses? Geez.

Salmons will have MUCH more of an impact in San Antonio than Carter. He's a MUCH better defender, fits perfectly into the team's concept, and OH YEAH he's still averaging 18 a game this season while shooting over 40% from three.

Learn basketball please kthxbai.
 
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if the spurs get carter, the spurs go undefeated in the post season. however, i highly doubt the nets are going to give the spurs a championship caliber team like memphis did last season.
 
JE said:
Ridiculous. Instead of just looking at names, how about taking into account things like style of play, attitude, and strengths/weaknesses? Geez.
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You really haven't watched Vince play in a long time have you? Tell me one thing that Salmons has over Vince
 
xflavioVC15x said:
There's one for the 'Vince hater' club
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L0Lz VINCE CARTER H8R!!!



Take *edited: No personal attacks* back to the now-vacated New Jersey Nets forum, where someone might actually want to read it. Thank you.
 
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xflavioVC15x said:
You really haven't watched Vince play in a long time have you? Tell me one thing that Salmons has over Vince
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Salmons is shooting better than Carter from three this season. Salmons SMOKES Carter on defense, something that's kind of important in San Antonio. And, yup, Salmons is only averaging two less points than Carter this year. He fits with the Spurs ten times better than Vincey does.


You are clearly not equipped to get into a basketball argument with me, at least not until you drop the affection for Vincey and watch something other than NeTs games, because I'll destroy you every single time.
 
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Carter doesn't seem to particularly fit or not fit the Spurs. I just think he'll benefit them by adding another very good player. His mix of excellent scoring and solid passing, rebounding and defense will just make the Spurs that much better. A Duncan/Parker/Carter attack with Ginobili off the bench would be pretty potent on offense and Carter wouldn't hurt them on defense.

If the Spurs pulled off this deal, they might actually become the favourites in the Western playoffs, especially if Bynum can't recover in time.
 
Minstrel said:
Carter doesn't seem to particularly fit or not fit the Spurs. I just think he'll benefit them by adding another very good player. His mix of excellent scoring and solid passing, rebounding and defense will just make the Spurs that much better. A Duncan/Parker/Carter attack with Ginobili off the bench would be pretty potent on offense and Carter wouldn't hurt them on defense.
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Carter 'doesn't hurt' (in your words) on defense. Salmons HELPS on defense, a lot. Not to mention, Salmons won't cost Mason, Hill, and Bowen, all three of which are critical parts of the Spurs' supporting cast.
 
Vince is great, but he and Manu can not play the 2 or 3, they are ONLY 2's. I would be very hesitant to deal away the pg of the future in Hill and their freaking clutch man in Roger Mason..it MAY work this year, but say bye bye to any sustainability.
 
JE said:
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Salmons is shooting better than Carter from three this season. Salmons SMOKES Carter on defense, something that's kind of important in San Antonio. And, yup, Salmons is only averaging two less points than Carter this year. He fits with the Spurs ten times better than Vincey does.


You are clearly not equipped to get into a basketball argument with me, at least not until you drop the affection for Vincey and watch something other than NeTs games.
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Salmons is only shooting 2% better from 3 than Carter first of all and second Vince is the better overall player
Vince:20.8 PPG 5.1 RPG 4.9 AST 1.0 SPG .4 BPG 2.02 TO
Salmons:18.3 PPG 4.2 RPG 3.7 APG 1.1 SPG .2 BPG 2.30 TO
and watching every Nets game this season his defense is way better than it has been in previous years.
 
JE said:
Carter 'doesn't hurt' (in your words) on defense. Salmons HELPS on defense, a lot. Not to mention, Salmons won't cost Mason, Hill, and Bowen, all three of which are critical parts of the Spurs' supporting cast.
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I agree that Salmons is better on defense. But for such a good defensive team, they can afford to have a merely average defender in return for all the things Carter brings: much more efficient scoring and the ability to create shots for teammates. Salmons is a solid complementary scorer, but Carter can create offense for himself and others.

If Carter were a terrible defender, I'd be a lot less positive on the deal for the Spurs.

I don't think Bowen is a major contributor to the Spurs anymore. In past years, he was, but his defense has dropped off and he doesn't help much on offense. Hill and Mason are solid role-players, but giving up some depth to upgrade the team's top-end talent is generally always a good trade-off especially when it comes to the playoffs and one's best players play the most.
 
xflavioVC15x said:
Salmons is only shooting 2% better from 3 than Carter first of all and second Vince is the better overall player
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Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself like this??? HEES TEH BETTR OVRAL PLAYR!! That doesn't mean shit, buddy. The Spurs don't need 'the better player', they need someone who can excel at the things that their team and their system emphasize - defense, shooting, toughness. Salmons has Carter beat in all three.

Vince:20.8 PPG 5.1 RPG 4.9 AST 1.0 SPG .4 BPG 2.02 TO
Salmons:18.3 PPG 4.2 RPG 3.7 APG 1.1 SPG .2 BPG 2.30 TO
and watching every Nets game this season his defense is way better than it has been in previous years.
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Oh, so he's upgraded from shitty to average. Terrific.


How about watching some other teams in the NBA, and actually get a feel for another team in the league, other than the NETS (and whether you have a real grip on them or not is pretty debatable).
 
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