OT: Cavs/Celtics vying for Jamiston..Cavs trying to get Amare!

[Buzz Killington]

Damn!

per Adam W's twitter (yahoo dude)

 

[Buzz Killington]

Cavs and Celts will go head to head for Jamison, but sources say Cavs are very involved in talks for Amar'e Stoudemire.

yikes.

 

[EGame]

Teams are just always trying to get better. We, right now, are not. It could pay off in the long run if Batum/Bayless/Rudy develop into studs or at least 1 of them. If not, then what? It'll be hard to trade them if they flop in the sense that they are just mainly role players. Maybe not hard, but they won't have the value they do currently IMO. Teams are always looking to get better, I don't sense that with KP at the helm, perhaps I am wrong, who knows. We just have to hope our young talent pans out because if it doesn't, it could be bad for us.

 

[Buzz Killington]

In Pritch We Trust!

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

 

[Buzz Killington]

but yeah, NBA champions are made by making big, ballsy moves for elite players. None of this Brendan Haywood bullshit. No trading ZBO for Imaginary cap space!

Trade for Garnett = Ring
Trade for Gasol = Ring

that's how you get it done now.

 

[EGame]

It isn't just this year teams will try and get better but in the future to when we hope to make our run. Like I said if one guy develops into a stud along with Roy, Aldridge and hopefully a healthy and dominant Oden, than we will be in good shape. But as of now, that is hoping for a lot, not taking into account Roy's injury history and if that will ever play a role in the playoffs and he may possibly get hurt. Hoping Oden to stay healthy is all hope and if he can and plays like he was this season, no doubt in my mind we will be a great team. But until then, we have to hope players develop, people like Wade and Bosh or whoever DON'T go to one team, and no other teams are looking to get better/improve more.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

but yeah, NBA champions are made by making big, ballsy moves for elite players. None of this Brendan Haywood bullshit. No trading ZBO for Imaginary cap space!

Trade for Garnett = Ring
Trade for Gasol = Ring

that's how you get it done now.

Truth hurts

 

[julius]

but yeah, NBA champions are made by making big, ballsy moves for elite players. None of this Brendan Haywood bullshit. No trading ZBO for Imaginary cap space!

Trade for Garnett = Ring
Trade for Gasol = Ring

that's how you get it done now.

Shame we haven't been offered a younger player who is still up and coming and not well past his prime (unlike Carter, Jefferson or Marion).

Also, I hope when (or if) we make it to the finals, the previous champion (who pasted us the year before) has their best player missing the playoffs.

 

[EGame]

Garnett wasn't exactly young when he got traded, but he bought into the team and help contribute in a positive way. Who's to say a player like Butler who isn't young could do the same for next year when we hope to try and make a run? How about young guys like Iggy who are rumored to be on the block?

 

[Buzz Killington]

VC was amazing the other night.

 

[noknobs]

Makes sense for both the Cavs and Celtics to go all-in, since they're trying to win it all this year. Boston is old and the Cavs want to keep Lebron happy, so it's now or never.

Is it now or never for the 3rd youngest team in the league, who have lost both centers to season ending injury?

 

[julius]

Garnett wasn't exactly young when he got traded, but he bought into the team and help contribute in a positive way. Who's to say a player like Butler who isn't young could do the same for next year when we hope to try and make a run? How about young guys like Iggy who are rumored to be on the block?

Because Butler isn't a former MVP like KG, nor did he have the #'s of Pau Gasol (nor do we have a player of Kobe's caliber here).

 

[MickZagger]

Teams are just always trying to get better. We, right now, are not. It could pay off in the long run if Batum/Bayless/Rudy develop into studs or at least 1 of them. If not, then what? It'll be hard to trade them if they flop in the sense that they are just mainly role players. Maybe not hard, but they won't have the value they do currently IMO. Teams are always looking to get better, I don't sense that with KP at the helm, perhaps I am wrong, who knows. We just have to hope our young talent pans out because if it doesn't, it could be bad for us.

Teams are in win now mode because they have old teams and their window is closing. Perfect times for teams in win now mode to make a move is the deadline.

 

[EGame]

Because Butler isn't a former MVP like KG, nor did he have the #'s of Pau Gasol (nor do we have a player of Kobe's caliber here).

Well then, since we don't have a player of Kobe's caliber and since we don't have any type of those guys on our roster barring a healthy Oden possibly, I guess we should just concede trying to win a Championship whether we make a trade or not. Sounds to me from your post we don't have much of a chance.

 

[Buzz Killington]

Garnett wasn't exactly young when he got traded, but he bought into the team and help contribute in a positive way. Who's to say a player like Butler who isn't young could do the same for next year when we hope to try and make a run? How about young guys like Iggy who are rumored to be on the block?

Garnett is a franchise player. It wasn't he "bought into the team".

 

[EGame]

Teams are in win now mode because they have old teams and their window is closing. Perfect times for teams in win now mode to make a move is the deadline.

Celtics are old, yes. Mavericks are kind of, yes. Lakers will get about 5 years maybe even more from Kobe, I think. The Cavs aren't all that old and any team with LeBron and Amare, I don't think I would bet against. Then you have up and coming teams such as the Thunder who look good and have cap space for next year and could make a trade if they wanted/needed or sign a very nice player. Just because some teams are old and will be gone by our time, doesn't mean every team will be done.

My question is, if we are ever in win now mode, will we ever make that type of trade to put us over the type if needed? Will KP go against his thing of doing mid-season traded? Right now, he has not shown to be that type of person, can he be, I guess we will see.

 

[BGrantFan]

VC was amazing the other night.

Carter is having the worst season of his career, and it isn't even close. He's done.

 

[Buzz Killington]

Carter is having the worst season of his career, and it isn't even close. He's done.

VC was amazing the other night.

 

[BGrantFan]

Celtics are old, yes. Mavericks are kind of, yes. Lakers will get about 5 years maybe even more from Kobe, I think. The Cavs aren't all that old and any team with LeBron and Amare, I don't think I would bet against. Then you have up and coming teams such as the Thunder who look good and have cap space for next year and could make a trade if they wanted/needed or sign a very nice player. Just because some teams are old and will be gone by our time, doesn't mean every team will be done.

My question is, if we are ever in win now mode, will we ever make that type of trade to put us over the type if needed? Will KP go against his thing of doing mid-season traded? Right now, he has not shown to be that type of person, can he be, I guess we will see.

The Cavs face the very real possibility of losing LeBron after this season. I'm not sure there is a team in the league with a greater sense of urgency right now. If they land Amare, I'd think LeBron would be much more likely to stay in Cleveland.

 

[noknobs]

My question is, if we are ever in win now mode, will we ever make that type of trade to put us over the type if needed? Will KP go against his thing of doing mid-season traded? Right now, he has not shown to be that type of person, can he be, I guess we will see.

But lets not stop ourselves from assuming the worse before that time even comes.. Guilty until proven innocent. Makes perfect sense.

 

[EGame]

But lets not stop ourselves from assuming the worse before that time even comes.. Guilty until proven innocent. Makes perfect sense.

Well, he hasn't put confidence in me to say he can. I just don't think he is right for GM, a scout of some sort, yes, not really GM IMO.

 

[julius]

Well then, since we don't have a player of Kobe's caliber and since we don't have any type of those guys on our roster barring a healthy Oden possibly, I guess we should just concede trying to win a Championship whether we make a trade or not. Sounds to me from your post we don't have much of a chance.

Or, if you are able to read English, and understand what context means, you'd see that I was pointing out that you can't really compare Butler to Pau and KG, because of the reasons I stated.

Using those examples as proof that we should trade now, or that we "don't know if" Butler would be that player, is dumb.

The vast majority of trades don't lead to trips to the finals, but we fans love to act like they do. not only that, we like to complain about teams making or not making trades, as if making those trades would guarantee wins or changes in destiny.

So who was traded last year near the deadline that made a difference for a team? Or has made a difference for a team THIS year?

No one.


The trade the Lakers made is not your average trade. The Celtics traded during the off-season. The Nuggets made a trade 4 games into the season (and Billups was a player who had made it to the finals, and was replacing a previous horrible mistake of a trade in Iverson).

The year before that, what player was traded at the deadline that has made a difference for a team?

It's a rare occurrence when it does happen, and in most cases the circumstances just have to be perfect to justify it. We aren't in a situation that really is perfect nor can justify it.

The players fans are talking about (Butler, Haywood, Hinrich) aren't going to put the team over the top, especially at their cost.

 

[barfo]

The Cavs face the very real possibility of losing LeBron after this season. I'm not sure there is a team in the league with a greater sense of urgency right now. If they land Amare, I'd think LeBron would be much more likely to stay in Cleveland.

What does Cleveland have (not named LeBron) that Phoenix would want?

barfo

 

[BGrantFan]

What does Cleveland have (not named LeBron) that Phoenix would want?

barfo

Shaq!

Seriously though, I can't think of anyone, unless they think Nash is winding down and Mo Williams is their future.

 

[e_blazer]

What does Cleveland have (not named LeBron) that Phoenix would want?

barfo

Perhaps Ilgauskas' ending contract?

 

[julius]

Celtics are old, yes. Mavericks are kind of, yes. Lakers will get about 5 years maybe even more from Kobe, I think.

you honestly think that the Lakers are going to get stuff out of Kobe when he's in his late 30's?

He's played for 14 years (16 if you count the games in the playoffs). It will catch up to him before too long, if it hasn't already. He's not the deadly take over games player he used to be.

The Lakers aren't winning because of him as much as it used to be, but because of their team. His minutes are going to catch up with him.

My question is, if we are ever in win now mode, will we ever make that type of trade to put us over the type if needed? Will KP go against his thing of doing mid-season traded? Right now, he has not shown to be that type of person, can he be, I guess we will see.

The thing is, we've never been IN the "win now" mode, so how do we know what Pritchard would do? Instead of fans taking shits over him not making horribly lopsided trades (where we trade out more than we're getting back in) for players that those same fans get boners for, maybe fans should actually use some logic and understand that so far, the majority of players that Pritchard didn't trade for, haven't done what they were supposed to.

For example, Vince Carter hasn't done much this year and is shooting a career worst (by FAR), and scoring 16 points a game. Jefferson is having a so-so year, and Marion isn't exactly tearing it up either.

It's kind of like how some fans thought that when we traded for Walter Davis, that we'd be getting the Walter Davis who played in Phoenix 4 years prior to when we traded for him, instead of the washed up waste of a player we got.

 

[BGrantFan]

Perhaps Ilgauskas' ending contract?

Aha!

Seems like a waste of Steve Nash though, doesn't it? The Suns had been playing great ball lately until they ran into the traveling circus known as the '09-10 Blazers.

 

[barfo]

Aha!

Seems like a waste of Steve Nash though, doesn't it? The Suns had been playing great ball lately until they ran into the traveling circus known as the '09-10 Blazers.

Yeah, I can't see why the suns do that. Dump a fairly young star for nothing? That seems sort of crazy.

barfo

 

[BGrantFan]

Yeah, I can't see why the suns do that. Dump a fairly young star for nothing? That seems sort of crazy.

barfo

The Suns always seem like they are trying to dump salary, but giving up Stoudamire for cap relief? Without being aware of their cap situation, would that perhaps make the Suns a player in the FA market? It would be a fucking fantastic development for us, though.