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RoyToy said:
Yes I'm sure Jordan was given uncontested lay-ups like LeBron was given uncontested shots

Despite what you say you and I both know you clearly don't believe this. I'm letting it slide.
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The layup is the best shot in the game, sorry not the same thing. If Jordan was so good he would have pounded softer defenses.

LeBron was given the NYK treatment against Indiana, so you lose the argument.
 
huevonkiller said:
1) Jordan played worse, you have no counter.
2) Jordan can't get to the paint, ouch, in a weaker era.
3) Jordan is not LeBron or Durant as a jumpshooter
4) If Durant chokes early he'll preserve the jumpshooting edge.
5) You used basketball-reference, the site that countered most of your positions.

Looks like I win, 4-1.
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You cherry-picked Jordan's worst series. Should we do the same for LeBron? You still ignore the fact LeBron was left wide open and pretend the same thing was done to Jordan. You're clearly wrong.

"Jordan can't get to the paint" - Prove it

Show me stats that over their first 10 years that say LeBron is a better mid-range hooter than Jordan.

Wild Durant claim, clearly reeling from being wrong.

Yeah, you win the award for wild claims and no substance. Show me something. Start by looking up the mid-range numbers.
 
RoyToy said:
You cherry-picked Jordan's worst series.
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No I didn't.

I used only Jordan's prime statistics. Dude I've thought up all your arguments before you even post them, they are uneducated.


Should we do the same for LeBron? You still ignore the fact LeBron was left wide open and pretend the same thing was done to Jordan. You're clearly wrong.
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Ahem, you kept saying Game 4 was bad, you look foolish.

Look up some of this stuff before you talk trash.

"Jordan can't get to the paint" - Prove it
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Look at the first post of this thread, and then look at 1992.

It is easy to prove.

Show me stats that over their first 10 years that say LeBron is a better mid-range hooter than Jordan.
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A strawman, Jordan is merely inferior overall not necessarily a worse jumpshooter, yet.

LeBron is more efficient in everything in his prime, pwnage. Except FT%.


Wild Durant claim, clearly reeling from being wrong.
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Sorry I am right, you have to adjust for playoff defenses. You are desperate. Yes shooting against the Rockets is the same as against the #1 defense.

LeBron's 2009 post-season and 2013 regular season are also better.

Yeah, you win the award for wild claims and no substance. Show me something. Start by looking up the mid-range numbers.
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Who cares, you don't understand advanced stats you lost a long time ago.
 
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Jordan isn't a great 3 point shooter unless he uses that shortened coward line from 1995-1997.

Seriously drop it, LeBron plays in a better defensive era it is amusing to me you don't realize that what the Spurs did would be illegal in 1992. LeBron faces superior defensive competition.

Only someone versed in metrics would know that.
 
huevonkiller said:
Ahem, this is a bad thing for your era, if you're trying to make an intelligent point.

And worse advanced statistics defensively, nice try.
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Your misuse of advanced statistics is amusing.

They lowered the pitching mound and the stats for pitchers and hitters changed after that. Guys recently were hitting 60+ homers like it wasn't a big deal, thanks to steroids.

Advanced stats. LOL.
 
Did MJ need to desert the team that drafted him, join another allstar on another team, recruit another all star and gather a group of coat-tail-hangers to win his titles?

Kind of like Laker fans. When their team stops winning, the rats desert the sinking ship to go sniff new jockstraps.

Go Blazers
 
oldguy said:
Did MJ need to desert the team that drafted him, join another allstar on another team, recruit another all star and gather a group of coat-tail-hangers to win his titles?

Kind of like Laker fans. When their team stops winning, the rats desert the sinking ship to go sniff new jockstraps.

Go Blazers
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http://bkref.com/tiny/fLPZN
http://bkref.com/tiny/ZTKEY

Yeah you lose, a washed-up wade and often injured Bosh are terrible.
 
huevonkiller said:
http://bkref.com/tiny/fLPZN
http://bkref.com/tiny/ZTKEY

Yeah you lose, a washed-up wade and often injured Bosh are terrible.
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Bosh and Wade were perenial all stars when James slinked into town looking for a way to finally win it all. They have been all stars every year James has played in Miami.

Why didn't your mancrush take his own team to a title?

MJ carried HIS team to six titles. He didn't need to go find help to get it done.

Go Blazers
 
oldguy said:
Bosh and Wade were perenial all stars when James slinked into town looking for a way to finally win it all. They have been all stars every year James has played in Miami.

Why didn't your mancrush take his own team to a title?

MJ carried HIS team to six titles. He didn't need to go find help to get it done.

Go Blazers
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Well, there were slightly different scenarios. MJ played in the 3rd largest market in the country, and had a top-50 player of all time alongside him from his 4th year.

Lebron played in Cleveland--where nobody actuallly wants to go--and was abandoned by the best teammate he ever had there (Boozer). I wonder how things might have been different if Boozer had re-signed with the Cavs.
 
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Yeah thanks P.

It doesn't matter how famous your teammates are if they play terrible or hurt their knees. Kobe Bryant has horrible statistics in the playoffs in his prime. Aside from Cleveland being full of garbage, Miami has only one star on all cylinders.
 
huevonkiller said:
Yeah thanks P.

It doesn't matter how famous your teammates are if they play terrible or hurt their knees. Kobe Bryant has horrible statistics in the playoffs in his prime. Aside from Cleveland being full of garbage, Miami has only one star on all cylinders.
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I hate to be fair to a Heat fan, but I'd rather have prime Pippen on the Heat next to LeBron than either of Wade or Bosh.
 
So, you admit that you had nothing to do with the Heat winning the title. You turned on the TV. You watched someone else win a title.

What makes you so special that you need to talk trash about something that you had absolutely nothing to do with? (Other than having been trained to do that as a Laker fan.) Do you think that you turn on TV's better than other fans do?

If the Blazers won a title, Blazers fans would celebrate in the Blazers forum with other Blazers fans. Never could understand the Laker fan mindset that if their team won, it somehow made them special. I further never understood their weird need to go tell other fans just how special they are.

Go Blazers
 
huevonkiller said:
Yeah thanks P.

It doesn't matter how famous your teammates are if they play terrible or hurt their knees. Kobe Bryant has horrible statistics in the playoffs in his prime. Aside from Cleveland being full of garbage, Miami has only one star on all cylinders.
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Damn that’s pathetic. Wade was a huge part of getting the Heat HCA throughout the playoffs. Without HCA, the Heat get beat.

12-13 regular season, Wade went for 21 pts on 52% shooting, 5 rbs, 5 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk with good D. He had a freak’n PER of 24, for crap sake.

Wade went for 16 pts on 46% shooting, 5 rbs, 5 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk in this year’s playoffs.

Last year (11-12 season) Wade went for 22 pts on 50% shooting, 5 rbs, 5 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk during the regular season.

Last post season Wade went for 23 pts on 46% shooting, 5 rbs, 4 ast, 2 stl, 1 blk.

12-13 regular season, Bosh went for 17 pts on 52% shooting, 7 rbs, 2 ast, 1 stl, 1 blk with good D. He had a PER of 20.

Again, without Bosh and Wade playing like they did in the regular season, the Heat don’t get HCA, and no title.

Wade won a title in Miami without James. James hasn’t won a title without Wade.

You acting like joining up with Wade and Bosh didn’t matter just shows what a James jock sniffer you really are.

Go Blazers
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Well, there were slightly different scenarios. MJ played in the 3rd largest market in the country, and had a top-50 player of all time alongside him from his 4th year.

Lebron played in Cleveland--where nobody actuallly wants to go--and was abandoned by the best teammate he ever had there (Boozer). I wonder how things might have been different if Boozer had re-signed with the Cavs.
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Maybe Boozer stayed is James wasn't such a douche.

Go Blazers
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I hate to be fair to a Heat fan, but I'd rather have prime Pippen on the Heat next to LeBron than either of Wade or Bosh.
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But, otoh, he doesn't have either Wade or Bosh. He has Wade and Bosh.

Go Blazers
 
oldguy said:
But, otoh, he doesn't have either Wade or Bosh. He has Wade and Bosh.

Go Blazers
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True enough. But I would say that Bosh is basically Horace Grant at this point, so you could trade the two of them.
 
oldguy said:
So, you admit that you had nothing to do with the Heat winning the title. You turned on the TV. You watched someone else win a title.

What makes you so special that you need to talk trash about something that you had absolutely nothing to do with? (Other than having been trained to do that as a Laker fan.) Do you think that you turn on TV's better than other fans do?

If the Blazers won a title, Blazers fans would celebrate in the Blazers forum with other Blazers fans. Never could understand the Laker fan mindset that if their team won, it somehow made them special. I further never understood their weird need to go tell other fans just how special they are.

Go Blazers
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:lol:

This.
 
huevonkiller said:
No I didn't.

I used only Jordan's prime statistics. Dude I've thought up all your arguments before you even post them, they are uneducated.





Ahem, you kept saying Game 4 was bad, you look foolish.

Look up some of this stuff before you talk trash.



Look at the first post of this thread, and then look at 1992.

It is easy to prove.



A strawman, Jordan is merely inferior overall not necessarily a worse jumpshooter, yet.

LeBron is more efficient in everything in his prime, pwnage. Except FT%.




Sorry I am right, you have to adjust for playoff defenses. You are desperate. Yes shooting against the Rockets is the same as against the #1 defense.

LeBron's 2009 post-season and 2013 regular season are also better.



Who cares, you don't understand advanced stats you lost a long time ago.
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Still no substance

Keep.

Trying.

"LeBron was a better jumpshooter than Durant in 2013"

Still wrong
 
oldguy said:
So, you admit that you had nothing to do with the Heat winning the title. You turned on the TV. You watched someone else win a title.

What makes you so special that you need to talk trash about something that you had absolutely nothing to do with? (Other than having been trained to do that as a Laker fan.) Do you think that you turn on TV's better than other fans do?

If the Blazers won a title, Blazers fans would celebrate in the Blazers forum with other Blazers fans. Never could understand the Laker fan mindset that if their team won, it somehow made them special. I further never understood their weird need to go tell other fans just how special they are.

Go Blazers
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This should be stickied by the mods.
 
Oh come on!

If the Blazers win a title, we're all going over to Lakers Underground to do the neener neener thing.
 
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