OT: Derrick Rose is Pretty Good

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Just watched the Bulls/Mavs game - great coming out party for Rose who dominated with 30/7 and led a 23 point comeback in the 2nd half to win. A lot of it was bench vs. bench, but still I would say Rose actually looks WAY ahead of where Deron was at this point in his career, and no worse than on par with Chris Paul. Chicago made the right choice.
 
Way too early for me to come to that conclusion.
 
Beasley could still turn out to be a better player. My favorite is OJ Mayo and I feel he will be the best of the bunch. I think I'll still wait a while too before making my decision on if Chicago made the right choice. I'd also like to see what they do about the Hinrich/Hughes/Gordon/Sefolosha/Rose crowded backcourt.
 
He was playing against Dallas's scrubs for most of the game.
 
Scrubs or not, he was still damn impressive. You can't control the competition you're going against, whether it be scrubs or stars. The fact of the matter is that he dominated that game tonight. I don't know if I saw a single Maverick defender stay in front of him tonight. He is just lightning quick, it's nuts. He's going to be a stud, and he's making me think that the Bulls did make the right choice.
 
Moo2K4 said:
Scrubs or not, he was still damn impressive. You can't control the competition you're going against, whether it be scrubs or stars.
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Rose can't control who his competition is, yes. So no one's blaming him for it. But it certainly matters as far as how impressive Rose's performance was. Dominating scrubs is a lot less impressive than dominating NBA starters.

Still, clearly a nice performance. Probably somewhere between a great summer league performance and a great exhibition game performance.
 
Xericx said:
He's never played a regular season game, therefore any pointguard in the league > Derrick Rose.
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So, I suppose that Mikki Moore is better than Greg Oden?

Statements like that are just ignorant.
 
Minstrel said:
But it certainly matters as far as how impressive Rose's performance was. Dominating scrubs is a lot less impressive than dominating NBA starters.
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age and experience also matter. a just-turned 20-year-old with no NBA experience playing the toughest position to learn, showing great leadership abilities and dominating against what was mostly regular NBA rotation players is pretty impressive IMO.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Beasley could still turn out to be a better player. My favorite is OJ Mayo and I feel he will be the best of the bunch. I think I'll still wait a while too before making my decision on if Chicago made the right choice. I'd also like to see what they do about the Hinrich/Hughes/Gordon/Sefolosha/Rose crowded backcourt.
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The Bulls don't have a crowded backcourt. They have Derrick Rose who is a very special player, who can be a superstar. Ben Gordon who is a very good player, who could probably be an allstar pretty consistently if the Bulls get good, and then Hinrich is average. Hughes and Sefolosha are horrible, and Hinrich has actually been horrible so far in preseason and last year.

Any smart head coach would run Rose/Gordon 36+ MPG, and then let Hughes/Hinrich fight out the remaining minutes. Too bad the Bulls seem to have an idiot at the helm.
 
crowTrobot said:
age and experience also matter. a just-turned 20-year-old with no NBA experience playing the toughest position to learn, showing great leadership abilities and dominating against what was mostly regular NBA rotation players is pretty impressive IMO.
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Sure. None of that contradicts what I said. It still remains true that quality of competition matters. Bayless was even younger and dominated summer league competition, with no NBA experience. That's impressive, but less so due to quality of competition in the summer league.
 
Rose will be good. I have doubts about Beasley... he doesn't seem to have much inside his dome. He had zero boards tonight, but did have 19 pts in 20 mins.
I think Mayo will be a better pro than Beasley.
 
It'll be interesting to see how it pans out. I had Beasley pegged as better than Rose, but I've been enjoying Rose's play so far, and think he could end up being better than Beasley.

Rose is averaging 14.5 PPG and 5 APG, which is where a lot of us pegged him stats wise for this season.

Although I think once he gets Gordon back in the mix with him, he will be able to improve his stats quite a bit.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
What stats are those? Opponents backcourt ppg?
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Has Gordon ever given up more than is expected to the guy he is guarding on a consistent basis? No. This is just a illusion that exists because of Gordons' defensive struggles as he adjusted to the NBA his rookie year.

Besides, the Bulls are giving up 101 points per a game. I don't see how Gordon can make things worse.
 
Lots of things are worse than 101. 102, 103, 109, 113 for example.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Has Gordon ever given up more than is expected to the guy he is guarding on a consistent basis? No. This is just a illusion that exists because of Gordons' defensive struggles as he adjusted to the NBA his rookie year.

Besides, the Bulls are giving up 101 points per a game. I don't see how Gordon can make things worse.
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Doesn't Gordon guard the PG's? Wouldn't that be harder to do with Rose on the court with him?
 
There are no more "pure" PG's. Kidd will be the last one. He's a guard.
 
Moo2K4 said:
Scrubs or not, he was still damn impressive. You can't control the competition you're going against, whether it be scrubs or stars. The fact of the matter is that he dominated that game tonight. I don't know if I saw a single Maverick defender stay in front of him tonight. He is just lightning quick, it's nuts. He's going to be a stud, and he's making me think that the Bulls did make the right choice.
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Considering your signature is riddled with Laker stuff, I reserve the right to question your judgment.
 
Rose is the real deal. He will probably end the best player from his draft class - he already is the Bull's best player...
 
crowTrobot said:
Just watched the Bulls/Mavs game - great coming out party for Rose who dominated with 30/7 and led a 23 point comeback in the 2nd half to win. A lot of it was bench vs. bench, but still I would say Rose actually looks WAY ahead of where Deron was at this point in his career, and no worse than on par with Chris Paul. Chicago made the right choice.
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Wow 1 good pre-season game and he is better then Deron Williams and on par with Chris Paul?!? Good lord.
 
I also think Rose will end up being the best player from this years draft. It will take him a couple years but IMO he will be the 3rd best PG in the NBA behind D.Williams and C.Paul. I'm not all the high on Beasley and even Mayo. I think Mayo will be decent and especially this year it seems he will have all the shots he will want but will shoot a terrible percentage. I think Mayo will end up being a good rotation player but not a star and Beasley won't even end up that good.
 
Tortimer said:
I also think Rose will end up being the best player from this years draft. It will take him a couple years but IMO he will be the 3rd best PG in the NBA behind D.Williams and C.Paul. I'm not all the high on Beasley and even Mayo. I think Mayo will be decent and especially this year it seems he will have all the shots he will want but will shoot a terrible percentage. I think Mayo will end up being a good rotation player but not a star and Beasley won't even end up that good.
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Dude Mayo is no joke. Watch him more.
 
As a Bulls fan, it's great to see a guard, a PG no less, who can score on layups and dunks.

I don't care what position people think he plays, what he looked like last night was the best player on the floor by a long shot. Teams that have the best player on the floor should win most of the time.

Would you guys consider Hinrich for LaFrentz?
 
BenDavis503 said:
Dude Mayo is no joke. Watch him more.
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I watched almost all his Pac-10 games and wasn't that impresseed. He is over hyped and not a superstar. I think he could be a good rotation player and that is at best IMO. I also thought Bayless was a better player then Mayo in college. I wasn't a huge Bayless fan either but I thought he was the better player of the two.
 
Tortimer said:
I watched almost all his Pac-10 games and wasn't that impresseed. He is over hyped and not a superstar. I think he could be a good rotation player and that is at best IMO. I also thought Bayless was a better player then Mayo in college. I wasn't a huge Bayless fan either but I thought he was the better player of the two.
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This isn't college ball. Mayo sucked in college. He will be a better player then Bayless by far.
 
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