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Tince said:
If a team decides they do not want to let a post player get the ball, there isn't much an offensive player can do. Granted, to do that, you're going to give up some 3's and have less help in the middle, but denying the post isn't rocket science.

Jamming the ball into the paint when there is 2 or 3 defenders near by (who are some of the top athletes in the world), is a little more difficult than people think.

There is a reason it's a lot easier to get Joel the ball on the post than Greg.
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Understandable, but how many times have we seen the big guys wide open and not get the ball? Obviously don't force feed it if it's not there, but we've seen countless times that Dwight's been open and G.O.'s been open in the lane and they don't get it. I'm sure these teams watch tape and see it.
 
alex42083 said:
Understandable, but how many times have we seen the big guys wide open and not get the ball? Obviously don't force feed it if it's not there, but we've seen countless times that Dwight's been open and G.O.'s been open in the lane and they don't get it. I'm sure these teams watch tape and see it.
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There is no doubt, there have been times in every game where a post does a wonderful job of getting position and is not given the ball. I guess having played and now as a coach, I understand how difficult it can be to get the ball in the post. Throw a 6'6" physical defender between you and two 7'0" centers constantly changing position, and you could imagine it's possible for you to get caught with your head down or a little hesitant to make what on TV looks to be an easy pass.

To me, it's very similar to officiating. It's really easy for me to see missed calls on TV, but I know from experience, it's a lot harder to see everything clearly when you're on the baseline looking between a bunch of trees.
 
Lakers overcame the worst finals officiating I have ever seen...Sure the refs might have missed 5 that would have favored ORL but they had about 25-30 calls or noncalls that went ORL's way that were absolute horse shit. I see some of even the most diehard Lakerhaters are saying that....Thats how bad it was. UGH!
 
DaRizzle said:
Lakers overcame the worst finals officiating I have ever seen...Sure the refs might have missed 5 that would have favored ORL but they had about 25-30 calls or noncalls that went ORL's way that were absolute horse shit. I see some of even the most diehard Lakerhaters are saying that....Thats how bad it was. UGH!
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I'd love your opinion on my Trevor Ariza thread. Please head over there and tell me if I'm crazy for thinking Ariza is better than Batum.
 
Tince said:
I'd love your opinion on my Trevor Ariza thread. Please head over there and tell me if I'm crazy for thinking Ariza is better than Batum.
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ugh...I appreciate your taste in talent but I want to keep him!!!...and I think Mitch(GM) will too
 
DaRizzle said:
ugh...I appreciate your taste in talent but I want to keep him!!!...and I think Mitch(GM) will too
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I don't blame you for wanting to keep him. I just want you to add a little voice of reason to the folks who can't seem to tell a difference between the two.

You guys are going to have to go way in the luxury tax or give one of Odom/Ariza. Giving up Odom would seem to be the wise choice if forced to make a decision.
 
Tince said:
You guys are going to have to go way in the luxury tax or give one of Odom/Ariza. Giving up Odom would seem to be the wise choice if forced to make a decision.
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See my response to that over there :devilwink:
 
DaRizzle said:
Lakers overcame the worst finals officiating I have ever seen...Sure the refs might have missed 5 that would have favored ORL but they had about 25-30 calls or noncalls that went ORL's way that were absolute horse shit. I see some of even the most diehard Lakerhaters are saying that....Thats how bad it was. UGH!
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It's true. I was at ESPN Zone in Anaheim and it was really loud there so I couldn't hear a whistle and I always thought the Magic had fouled the Lakers but then the game kept on playing and I was like, huh, go figure. Happened a lot.
 
KingSpeed said:
It's true. I was at ESPN Zone in Anaheim and it was really loud there so I couldn't hear a whistle and I always thought the Magic had fouled the Lakers but then the game kept on playing and I was like, huh, go figure. Happened a lot.
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dude, I don't know how you can do it and watch with L*ker Nation without getting into a fucking fight.

I was at the Salt Creek Grill in El Segundo..pretty upscale spot with plasmas and a projection TV....most of the people weren't even watching the game until the last 2 minutes of the 4th..then "everyone became L*ker fans". This is one of the few spots where I can stand it though...just hate that L*ker trash jumping around screaming Lakerrrrrrrrrrrrrrs. fuck. I might have to knock out with some Ambiens on Sunday night.
 
KingSpeed said:
It's true. I was at ESPN Zone in Anaheim and it was really loud there so I couldn't hear a whistle and I always thought the Magic had fouled the Lakers but then the game kept on playing and I was like, huh, go figure. Happened a lot.
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Thank you...see! It can happen even to the Lakers:sigh:
 
I was reading on LakersGround.net that there was already rioting in East LA. Its going to be a Bloody Sunday if the L*kers win it all in Game 5.

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=90872

I better not be driving that night. heads up for you angelenos...watch out for riotous, low class, fucked up, tribal dancing L*ker fans in the streets.
 
wait..what the hell, I was doing that shit in 2000 and I don't even like them. haha. that was fun.

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L*Ker fans. Burn Hollywood down baby!
 
Tince said:
There is no doubt, there have been times in every game where a post does a wonderful job of getting position and is not given the ball. I guess having played and now as a coach, I understand how difficult it can be to get the ball in the post. Throw a 6'6" physical defender between you and two 7'0" centers constantly changing position, and you could imagine it's possible for you to get caught with your head down or a little hesitant to make what on TV looks to be an easy pass.

To me, it's very similar to officiating. It's really easy for me to see missed calls on TV, but I know from experience, it's a lot harder to see everything clearly when you're on the baseline looking between a bunch of trees.
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I can see where you're coming from, sometimes it's easier to see on TV than it is on the actual court, and being a player/coach is a much different perspective from the fan's. But with the resources available for all these NBA teams, and how much tape they look at, you'd think they'd see these trends of seeing their dominant big man open at certain points and get them the ball.
Oh well, we'll see if we can get the ball to Greg next season.
 
anybody think Pietrius will be suspended for Game 5? I would think so. He threw two fists right into Pau's back at the end of the game. Pau is going to feel that in the morning.
 
Gift wrapped game 4

I don't know if this is OT or not? but...
Has anyone ever seen a team gift wrap a Finals game more than the Orlando Magic last night? Give credit to the Lakers-I hate 'em, but they sure know how to gut out a win. However, I don't think I've seen a Finals game where one team had a chance to win, but screwed it up/got screwed over more than the Magic last night. Where did it all go wrong for Orlando? I think that the Turk's failure to call the last timeout to inbound to a better option on the last play of regulation was one of the more epic fail's on a night full of them...:sigh:
 
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I don't know how after the Lakers getting completely beat up by the refs (3 fts I believe in OT and the 4th quarter combined) the Magic lost that game.

Ghosts of Nick Anderson past coming back to haunt the Magic.
 
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If Howard had made just one of those 2 free throws he missed, they would have won the game. It was a big-time choke job by the Magic, and they've got to be kicking themselves. Has anyone ever come back from a 3-1 deficit in the NBA finals? I don't think so.
 
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with 4 second left and a tie game? why jack up a crazy 3? why not try to drive for a layup like b roy against NY? horrible play design
 
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Shooter said:
If Howard had made just one of those 2 free throws he missed, they would have won the game. It was a big-time choke job by the Magic, and they've got to be kicking themselves. Has anyone ever come back from a 3-1 deficit in the NBA finals? I don't think so.
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I dont believe so either.. and I really dont see it happening when the best player on the planet is on a mission and is pissed off like this one is.
 
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BrianWheeler said:
I dont believe so either.. and I really dont see it happening when the best player on the planet is on a mission and is pissed off like this one is.
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Of course he's pissed off - he got knocked out by the Magic in the previous round because he had crappy teammates. He's thinking "give ME Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza and it's a SWEEP".
 
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BrianWheeler said:
I dont believe so either.. and I really dont see it happening when the best player on the planet is on a mission and is pissed off like this one is.
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The Lakers won last night in spite of Kobe Bryant missing shots and turning the ball over in the 4th quarter.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Of course he's pissed off - he got knocked out by the Magic in the previous round because he had crappy teammates. He's thinking "give ME Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza and it's a SWEEP".
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+1.

I was under the impression that it was now a consensus that LbJ is #1.
 
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Both teams deserve their credit on this one. The Lakers for their tenacity and not giving up, and Orlando, the blame can be spread from top to bottom. Coaching mistakes(I guess going with the guy who just came off the IR list is a good idea for the crunch time? Was Rafer Alston really playing that bad? How many jump shots got scored by Fisher because of having a poorer defender on him?) . Dwight Howard 8 turnover at least, and missed over half his free throws. The same with Turkoglu. Rashard Lewis about flat out disappeared.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
Of course he's pissed off - he got knocked out by the Magic in the previous round because he had crappy teammates. He's thinking "give ME Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza and it's a SWEEP".
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lol I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one. I bet Kobe was wishing they only had to go through Atlanta and Detroit to get to their conference finals too. Plus I think Kobe will be just as content with a 5 game series as a sweep :D
 
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PapaG said:
The Lakers won last night in spite of Kobe Bryant missing shots and turning the ball over in the 4th quarter.
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right.. so the Lakers would get to where they are right now without Kobe.
 
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BrianWheeler said:
lol I guess we'll agree to disagree on this one. I bet Kobe was wishing they only had to go through Atlanta and Detroit to get to their conference finals too. Plus I think Kobe will be just as content with a 5 game series as a sweep :D
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Well, once again luck is on the Lakers' side. They could just as easily be down 3-1. Dwight Howard hits one FT, Courtney Lee makes the layup/Gasol gets called for basket interference...

Here's a challenge I made to Minstrel:
Name the second best player on the Cavs.

Once you've done that, I bet I can name at least three Lakers other than Bryant who are obviously better.

It's kind of shocking to me how much Kobe's athleticism has left him. These days he's getting by on canniness - but he's not close to being as good as Jordan was in the last Bulls championship year, and Jordan was older. Bryant's running on past reputation, not least with the ref.s. It's not simply that he's not better than James - he might not even deserve first team NBA any more.
 
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KingSpeed said:
anybody think Pietrius will be suspended for Game 5? I would think so. He threw two fists right into Pau's back at the end of the game. Pau is going to feel that in the morning.
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I am guessing you are correct. That wasn't even remotely a play on the ball.

Stupid move on his part.
 
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PapaG said:
The Lakers won last night in spite of Kobe Bryant missing shots and turning the ball over in the 4th quarter.
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Kobe's facilitating was great at the end of the game.

Kobe got hacked in the fourth quarter and OT, where LA got zero FTs.
 
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