OT: Hickson/Ilgauskas to Phoenix

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MIXUM said:
the only good news...

assuming the suns and hornets go south with paul hurt and amare out....

the blazers just need to pass the grizz for playoffs
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In order to pass someone, don't they need to be in front of you?

Oh wait I get it, you really want the Blazers to miss the playoffs. Your true colors once again... :tsktsk:

Memphis is at 26 wins, we are at 31. When they reach the same amount of wins then we can talk about it being a problem.
 
the question with amare has always been his poor defense, and if his extraordinary offense makes up for it.
 
drexlersdad said:
the question with amare has always been his poor defense, and if his extraordinary offense makes up for it.
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And to see if he if he can now fit in with LBJ and Shaq (which failed even with Steve Nash). I think the bigger question is, what is the fallout going to be like on the title contenders, will the Lakers press for Hinrich and do the Celtics push up for Jamison?
 
Just like when people were anointing Portland wins when they drafted Greg, let's not be doing the "10 years" shit with the Cavs and them getting Amare.

If he's so awesome, why haven't the Suns done jack with him on their team? Why are the Suns basically dumping him for, apparently, Hickson?

The thing is about "having the best 2 players" thing is, this isn't like Shaq and Kobe here.

LeBron is dominant, probably on par with what Shaq was for the Lakers in the start of the 2000's. But Amare is not even close to what Kobe was to the Lakers.

And what happens when Shaq retires after this or next year? The guy isn't the force he used to be. The only reason why he looked as good as he did against Portland this year was because we had a guy defending him who was half the size of him.

This helps Cleveland, but I don't think it makes them odds on favorites to win multiple titles or anything (there aren't any teams, right now, that should be considered odds on favorite for multiple titles).

Also, another reason why Kobe and Shaq were so dominant? They both played good defense. I'd take Shaq and Kobe on the Lakers (during their hey-day) over this paring, 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. And were the lakers the "dominant duo" for 10 years?

Nope.

Smart move by Cleveland (if true), but it doesn't guarantee anything. They STILL run the risk of losing LeBron. If I was LeBron, and Miami or Chicago (or someone else) was somehow was able to sign Bosh and Wade, I'd sign with those teams well before I'd even contemplate Cleveland.
 
julius said:
Just like when people were anointing Portland wins when they drafted Greg, let's not be doing the "10 years" shit with the Cavs and them getting Amare.

If he's so awesome, why haven't the Suns done jack with him on their team? Why are the Suns basically dumping him for, apparently, Hickson?

The thing is about "having the best 2 players" thing is, this isn't like Shaq and Kobe here.

LeBron is dominant, probably on par with what Shaq was for the Lakers in the start of the 2000's. But Amare is not even close to what Kobe was to the Lakers.

And what happens when Shaq retires after this or next year? The guy isn't the force he used to be. The only reason why he looked as good as he did against Portland this year was because we had a guy defending him who was half the size of him.

This helps Cleveland, but I don't think it makes them odds on favorites to win multiple titles or anything (there aren't any teams, right now, that should be considered odds on favorite for multiple titles).

Also, another reason why Kobe and Shaq were so dominant? They both played good defense. I'd take Shaq and Kobe on the Lakers (during their hey-day) over this paring, 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. And were the lakers the "dominant duo" for 10 years?

Nope.

Smart move by Cleveland (if true), but it doesn't guarantee anything. They STILL run the risk of losing LeBron. If I was LeBron, and Miami or Chicago (or someone else) was somehow was able to sign Bosh and Wade, I'd sign with those teams well before I'd even contemplate Cleveland.
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With all of the space and attention LeBron attracts, don't you think that it's remotely possible Amare' is able to operate just a little more freely around the basket? Amare' doesn't have to be 'The Man', he just needs to be 'The man behind the man' and that team is going to be tougher than hell to stop. The biggest question is how does Amare' function on defense? To date he's been mostly a sieve, but when you've got the best player in the league riding your jock for loafing it, I somehow get the feeling his intensity is going to pick up some at that end of the court.

As for James leaving, Cleveland can offer him the most money, he's an Akron guy, and by adding an all-star power forward entering his prime, why risk moving to another team that may or may not have the money or complimentary pieces that the Cavs have. Sure Chicago or Miami might have the cap room to sign to max guys, but what would they have left on their bench?

Book it, if Amare goes to Cleveland, Lebron and Amare are going to make that team the prohibitive favorites for the next five years, barring injuries or other unforseen variables.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I fully expect Kevin to start talking about our window opening up in 2020 :wink:
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Oden will be healthy, with 10 solid years of rehab, and ready to get going. So, 2020 makes perfect sense.

I expect some huge mid-season trades to go down to supplement the core of Oden and whomever KPee drafts in 2017.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
If this goes down, it could put up a roadblock between us and a title for years to come.
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Actually, Oden is putting a massive roadblock between us and the Championship currently.
 
If this deal hasn't been finalized, Kerr might well be using the prospect of uniting Stoudemire and LeBron James to motivate other potential trading partners. If you were a GM - particularly one on the East Conference - would you want to have to go through those two for years to come?

Wouldn't the Magic just love seeing Stoudemire and Howard side by side?

What about the Celtics having Stoudemire to replace Kevin Garnett, when age fully catches up with him?

A Wade-Stoudemire combo in Miami?

Obviously, the dilemma is whether Phoenix can get the two things they seem to want - cap relief and some future talent - from anyone else.

If this goes through, it might make Steve Kerr the worst GM in the NBA... at least for the rest of the league.
 
Public Defender said:
If this deal hasn't been finalized, Kerr might well be using the prospect of uniting Stoudemire and LeBron James to motivate other potential trading partners. If you were a GM - particularly one on the East Conference - would you want to have to go through those two for years to come?

Wouldn't the Magic just love seeing Stoudemire and Howard side by side?

What about the Celtics having Stoudemire to replace Kevin Garnett, when age fully catches up with him?

A Wade-Stoudemire combo in Miami?

Obviously, the dilemma is whether Phoenix can get the two things they seem to want - cap relief and some future talent - from anyone else.

If this goes through, it might make Steve Kerr the worst GM in the NBA... at least for the rest of the league.
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Yeah, Chris Broussard is now reporting teams are upping their offers for STAT. I guess it was wise for them to leak it out. Apparently, they prefer Iguodala, and they don't want Beasley (wtf is up with Kerr, preferring Hickson to Beasley?)
 
drexlersdad said:
the question with amare has always been his poor defense, and if his extraordinary offense makes up for it.
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Defense is more based on team and coaching attitude and less individually. Mike Brown is a defensive-minded coach. Amare has all the tools to be an excellent defender. The only real defensive coach Stoudemire ever had was TP, and he didn't even make it a season.
 
axs88 said:
Steve Kerr :crazy:

I read a snippet from an article (I think on realgm) about how the Suns were not looking for a salary dump, that they would require getting talent back, so Hickson would have to be included. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

JJ Hickson
Career PER: 13.6
PER this year: 14.3 (playing 19 MPG)

It's debatable he's even a better prospect than Cunningham.
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Hickson is still only like 21 and has shown some ability this year in the rotation. He was part of that Mayo/Beasley HS class, so he may have been overlooked but he does have potential to be a solid 16/8 guy down the line. Still, Amare for just that is cheap as hell.
 
Praying the sixers offer up Iggy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yksqs4q

Seems to me this would make everyone happy.

Blazers
Miller/Bayless
Roy/Webster
Batum/Webster/Cunningham
Aldridge/Pender
Amare/Howard/Oden (until healthy)
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Very good one, although I think Sarver's too cheap to take on Deng's contract... though they are said to want Iguodala, so who knows. But wouldn't Chicago prefer Stoudamire to all they players we're sending them? I know they're trying to free up space, but I think Stoudamire is a lock to opt out and they may even covet him in free agency anyway.
 
Yup. Sucks to be in such a shitty market, doesn't it?
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Meh, Cleveland isn't that bad. LeBron pushes any basketball Market up a tier, IMO.
 
The Cavs are pushing to win 60 games with a supporting cast that, well, SUCKS.

LeBron with Amare makes them the favorites, IMO. LBJ will finally have a true sidekick. Robin to his Batman.
 
:lol:

Keep em. We don't want them back.
 
axs88 said:
Very good one, although I think Sarver's too cheap to take on Deng's contract... though they are said to want Iguodala, so who knows. But wouldn't Chicago prefer Stoudamire to all they players we're sending them? I know they're trying to free up space, but I think Stoudamire is a lock to opt out and they may even covet him in free agency anyway.
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what is extra silly is that sarver sold the draft pick that could have gotten deng or iggy in the first place.
 
Fez "The Situation" Bush said:
The Cavs are pushing to win 60 games with a supporting cast that, well, SUCKS.

LeBron with Amare makes them the favorites, IMO. LBJ will finally have a true sidekick. Robin to his Batman.
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But how does Amare feel about being Robin?

barfo
 
drexlersdad said:
what we REALLY fucked up is the darius miles deal, he would have been an expiring this year. i almost wish we would have gave him 48 mpg until his legs fell off, then claimed the medical exception.
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No shit. I wonder if Darius is going to be making a comeback? Reports last year stated that he was playing very well. Why didn't Memphis resign him?
 
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It seems to me that something could come together involving Philadelphia, Miami, and Phoenix, avoiding Cleveland altogether, if the latest ESPN report is correct (that what the Suns really want is Iguodala, and Miami is Stoudemire's first choice).

Some kind of deal where the Suns send Stoudemire to Miami, the Heat send Beasley and a big contract to Philly, and the Sixers send Iguodala to Phoenix. The only question, I guess, would be this: are the Sixers willing to trade Iguodala for Beasley? I'm not sure it's a bad swap - maybe Phoenix and Miami both throw draft picks Philly's way?

I would think that Miami would love to make this deal. They become a contender in the East, and they keep LeBron's Cavs from getting that much better.
 
BGrantFan said:
No shit. I wonder if Darius is going to be making a comeback? Reports last year stated that he was playing very well. Why didn't Memphis resign him?
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Because they never needed him in the first place. They only wanted to fuck us over, which was the whole point of the letter sent from the Trail Blazers organization.
 
So nothing has actually happened right? I dont see anything official
 
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