(OT) Jazz looking to trade everyone but Williams and Millsap?

[MIXUM]

If this is true... looks like one less team we have to compete with for playoffs...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=mc-jazznotes010410&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

AK would be a nice backup at Sf and PF... gives us greta defense and blocks.

Also said we were close to a 3 way deal with jazz and pistons over the summer for Prince

 

[RR7]

How about this 3 way?

Orlando out: Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, A. Johnson
Orlando in: Boozer, Webster, Koufos

Utah Out: Boozer, Kirilenko, Koufos, Price
Utah in: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, Bass, Pietrus, Johnson, Mills

Portland Out: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, webster, Mills
Portland in: Gortat, Kirilenko, Price

Orlando adds another star to their team in Boozer. Replace Pietrus with Webster. Johnson is their 3rd string PG, included for salary purposes. Lose a bit on front court depth, by replacing Gortat with Koufos.

Nelson/Williams
Carter/Redick
Lewis/Webster
Boozer/Anderson
Howard/Koufos

Utah sheds salary, and manages to get themselves under the LT with this deal. Removing over 4.5 million from this season's salaries. They also save close to 3 million next season, providing Joel stay sunder contract. Would be a lot more if he opted out. They also add decent bench pieces for the future in Pietrus and Bass, with millsap moving to the starting spot. Primarily a financial move for them, but they can stay competitive at least.

For Portland, they replace Webster with Kirilenko, and add Gortat to their front line. Would probably be better served waiting until Rudy is back, to replace Blake. Adds salary to next season, for sure, but Kirilenko would then be a large expiring contract, which could hold some value for us.
Adds a little over 5 million in salary to next season, but would have our salary at around 61 million or so.

Miller/Bayless/Price
Roy/Rudy
Kirilenko/Batum(or switched)/Cunningham
Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
Gortat/Pendergraph

It adds long term salary in Gortat, that maybe we're unwilling to take on, with Pendergraph playing decent. But it at least affords us another decent C to insure against injury. Or, another trade chip of a 7 footer on an alright contract. I think it keeps us competitive, if not improves us this season, and doesn't hurt long term depth or flexibility.

 

[illmatic99]

I used to love AK47's game a few years ago, but the dude has really dropped off. Is he really that much better than Webs or Batum? Especially with the $17mil he's owed next year?

 

[hasoos]

After AK47 was nearly in tears about his playoff performance a few years back, I don't want a dude that mentally weak on the team.

I was really surprised they made the trade to OKC, it gave OKC a piece they needed, and they are in the same division. If they aren't afraid to trade with OKC, they aren't afraid to trade with anybody.

 

[Wheels]

How about this 3 way?

Orlando out: Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, A. Johnson
Orlando in: Boozer, Webster, Koufos

Utah Out: Boozer, Kirilenko, Koufos, Price
Utah in: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, Bass, Pietrus, Johnson, Mills

Portland Out: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, webster, Mills
Portland in: Gortat, Kirilenko, Price

Orlando adds another star to their team in Boozer. Replace Pietrus with Webster. Johnson is their 3rd string PG, included for salary purposes. Lose a bit on front court depth, by replacing Gortat with Koufos.

Nelson/Williams
Carter/Redick
Lewis/Webster
Boozer/Anderson
Howard/Koufos

Utah sheds salary, and manages to get themselves under the LT with this deal. Removing over 4.5 million from this season's salaries. They also save close to 3 million next season, providing Joel stay sunder contract. Would be a lot more if he opted out. They also add decent bench pieces for the future in Pietrus and Bass, with millsap moving to the starting spot. Primarily a financial move for them, but they can stay competitive at least.

For Portland, they replace Webster with Kirilenko, and add Gortat to their front line. Would probably be better served waiting until Rudy is back, to replace Blake. Adds salary to next season, for sure, but Kirilenko would then be a large expiring contract, which could hold some value for us.
Adds a little over 5 million in salary to next season, but would have our salary at around 61 million or so.

Miller/Bayless/Price
Roy/Rudy
Kirilenko/Batum(or switched)/Cunningham
Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
Gortat/Pendergraph

It adds long term salary in Gortat, that maybe we're unwilling to take on, with Pendergraph playing decent. But it at least affords us another decent C to insure against injury. Or, another trade chip of a 7 footer on an alright contract. I think it keeps us competitive, if not improves us this season, and doesn't hurt long term depth or flexibility.

no gracias sorry.

 

[illmatic99]

I'd do this:

Blake + TO + Webs to Utah

Boozer to Miami

James Jones + Haslem + Miami first rounder to POR.

 

[MIXUM]

thats a horrific trade for portland.

webster over jones anyday

we have younger haslems in duante and jeff

heats 1st rounder will suck

 

[hasoos]

I'd do this:

Blake + TO + Webs to Utah

Boozer to Miami

James Jones + Haslem + Miami first rounder to POR.

Haslem is in the last year of his contract, and says he doesn't want to play for a cold weather team.

 

[Kaydow]

How about this 3 way?

Orlando out: Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, A. Johnson
Orlando in: Boozer, Webster, Koufos

Utah Out: Boozer, Kirilenko, Koufos, Price
Utah in: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, Bass, Pietrus, Johnson, Mills

Portland Out: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, webster, Mills
Portland in: Gortat, Kirilenko, Price

Orlando adds another star to their team in Boozer. Replace Pietrus with Webster. Johnson is their 3rd string PG, included for salary purposes. Lose a bit on front court depth, by replacing Gortat with Koufos.

Nelson/Williams
Carter/Redick
Lewis/Webster
Boozer/Anderson
Howard/Koufos

Utah sheds salary, and manages to get themselves under the LT with this deal. Removing over 4.5 million from this season's salaries. They also save close to 3 million next season, providing Joel stay sunder contract. Would be a lot more if he opted out. They also add decent bench pieces for the future in Pietrus and Bass, with millsap moving to the starting spot. Primarily a financial move for them, but they can stay competitive at least.

For Portland, they replace Webster with Kirilenko, and add Gortat to their front line. Would probably be better served waiting until Rudy is back, to replace Blake. Adds salary to next season, for sure, but Kirilenko would then be a large expiring contract, which could hold some value for us.
Adds a little over 5 million in salary to next season, but would have our salary at around 61 million or so.

Miller/Bayless/Price
Roy/Rudy
Kirilenko/Batum(or switched)/Cunningham
Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
Gortat/Pendergraph

It adds long term salary in Gortat, that maybe we're unwilling to take on, with Pendergraph playing decent. But it at least affords us another decent C to insure against injury. Or, another trade chip of a 7 footer on an alright contract. I think it keeps us competitive, if not improves us this season, and doesn't hurt long term depth or flexibility.

This actually looks pretty good. Is Ronnie Price just and ancillary piece? I don't know anything about his game, but his numbers look very journeyman-ish. Kirilenko's salary is terrible, but it's not like we'll have cap room anyways - it's just PA's money. Plus, if he's just not a good fit, he'll be a $17 million expiring next season. I've never understood what happened to him. The last few years he's been the forgotten man in Utah. On a team that is not good defensively, you think they would utilize him more. I would hate to see Mills go, but my vision of what he could be probably far outweighs what he'll be in reality. We've only seen Gortat in a b/u role - it's hard to say how he would work out as the featured big man.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How about this 3 way?

Orlando out: Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, A. Johnson
Orlando in: Boozer, Webster, Koufos

Utah Out: Boozer, Kirilenko, Koufos, Price
Utah in: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, Bass, Pietrus, Johnson, Mills

Portland Out: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, webster, Mills
Portland in: Gortat, Kirilenko, Price

I like it, but why do I get the feeling that Mills' inclusion would be a deal-breaker for KP?

I used to love AK47's game a few years ago, but the dude has really dropped off. Is he really that much better than Webs or Batum? Especially with the $17mil he's owed next year?

But his EC would be so valuable next February!!

After AK47 was nearly in tears about his playoff performance a few years back, I don't want a dude that mentally weak on the team.

Isn't Webster perceived to be "mentally weak"? If that's the case, would it be so bad to switch him out with AK?

 

[illmatic99]

...he doesn't want to play for a cold weather team.

Oh. Well that sucks, 'cause my idea was based on him re-signing here past this season.

But his EC would be so valuable next February!!

AK47EC?

Doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

[hasoos]

I like it, but why do I get the feeling that Mills' inclusion would be a deal-breaker for KP?

But his EC would be so valuable next February!!

Isn't Webster perceived to be "mentally weak"? If that's the case, would it be so bad to switch him out with AK?

If you are going to upgrade, then upgrade. Don't swap shit for shit. The only guys that is worth anything in that deal for Portland, is Gortat.

 

[mook]

FTA:

The Detroit Pistons discussed trading Tayshaun Prince(notes) for Boozer over the summer, but one West executive said the Jazz wanted only to redirect Prince to the Portland Trail Blazers and now lack another team with salary-cap room to do so.

I wonder how that would've worked, if true.

Anyway, the Jazz on paper seem like they'd be a top 4 seed. Williams, Boozer, Okur, Milsap, AK....that's a pretty decent collection of talent there. Surprising that if the playoffs started today, they wouldn't be in them.

That core has been together for a pretty long time--4-5 years (except for Milsap). Similar thing happened with the Billups Pistons. It was the same pieces, still mostly in their prime, but they just couldn't produce like they used to after 4 or so years.

Makes me wonder if the dream of 6-8 years of Oden/Roy/Aldridge/Fernandez(Bayless? Batum?) always contending for rings would really work.

 

[RR7]

Yeah, Price was thrown in with Mills to get them entirely under the LT. Without that swap, they were still a couple hundred thousand a way, I believe. Still probable they would do it being a few hundred thousand away, since it is still a savings of over 8 million.

I agree Kirilenko has dropped off some in recent years. He's definitely overpaid. but he's a still a decent player, and good defender. I think he's a better overall player than Martell is, and would improve the SF position. I like him a lot because he'd be an expiring after the season. In this economy, you never know. If nothing else, he expires, and you got a year and a half out of him. You lose Blake and Webster from the rotation this season, and add Kirilenko and Gortat. Next season, you lose Joel and Webster for the same two.

 

[Mediocre Man]

KP should counter with wanting nobody EXCPET Williams and Milsap.


It will have to wait until the seaosn is over though. KP and those pesky mid season trades are not a good marriage

 

[illmatic99]

FTA:
I wonder how that would've worked, if true.

On a related front, from Chad Ford's chat today:

Rob (Detroit)
Does Joe Dumars regret not trading Tayshaun Prince (who would have been forwarded to Portland) for Boozer in the offseason? The Pistons have played better without Prince this season, and Boozer would have been another capable frontcourt player the Pistons desperately need.

Chad Ford (1:09 PM)
I think they got cold feet on Boozer on two fronts. First, he wants a TON of money this coming summer ... more than he's probably worth. Second, given his injury history, I think the Pistons were worried that he might shut it down at some point in the season. So no ... I don't think they regret it. But they need to make a move and Prince is the best trade bait they have.

 

[RR7]

I like it, but why do I get the feeling that Mills' inclusion would be a deal-breaker for KP?

Could swap him out, and put in Cunningham. Or, just take that swap out all together, and let them figure out a different way to cut more salary. They still lop off a decent chunk of change. They can move Korver for Steven Hunter in Memphis. Memphis pays mroe salary, adds a shooter to play alongside post presences Zach and Gasol, and a good spot up alongside Conley, Mayo or Gay. Utah shaves another 1.5 off the cap.

 

[MIXUM]

Chad, Northwest Question, Do you see Portland Making any moves before the deadline.
Chad Ford (1:44 PM)

I've spoken with the Blazers and the feeling I got was that they don't know yet. So many players are injured, the value isn't high on many of them. I think if someone gets moved it will be Steve Blake.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you are going to upgrade, then upgrade. Don't swap shit for shit. The only guys that is worth anything in that deal for Portland, is Gortat.

I thought we were only discussing "mental weakness" here. If we're talking about overall team contribution, then it's no contest. Kirilenko's career worst PER is 14.3 (in 06-07), and outside of that year, this is his career worst at 16.2--Webster's career best is 11.7. His FT and 3P %s are equal to Webster's this year, and his FG% is much higher. He gets more rebounds, assists, blocks and steals per-36 than Webster. And he's a better defender too. Swapping Webster for Kirilenko would definitely be an upgrade.

 

[hasoos]

I thought we were only discussing "mental weakness" here. If we're talking about overall team contribution, then it's no contest. Kirilenko's career worst PER is 14.3 (in 06-07), and outside of that year, this is his career worst at 16.2--Webster's career best is 11.7. His FT and 3P %s are equal to Webster's this year, and his FG% is much higher. He gets more rebounds, assists, blocks and steals per-36 than Webster. And he's a better defender too. Swapping Webster for Kirilenko would definitely be an upgrade.

Why would any conversation be restricted based upon one weakness? You have to look at the whole picture. Part of that picture is Kirilenko being paid 17 million dollars for the improvement in production you mention. Hardly worth it. I would just as soon wait for Tmac to be released and pick him up on the cheap. Cheaper, and when healthy, way better.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Their roster is garbage after those two.

Boozer is an UFA this summer and likely headed East.

Pass.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't think Ptd and Utah make the best trade partners. I don't want Utah gettting better with Blazer young talent and I don't see Utah wanting to help out Ptd unless it's strongly favors Utah (which means Ptd unlikely to do it).

For some reason I keep looking at Indy (seem to have good relations with them), the Wiz or waiting for the Bobcats to announce a fire sale.

 

[hasoos]

I don't think Ptd and Utah make the best trade partners. I don't want Utah gettting better with Blazer young talent and I don't see Utah wanting to help out Ptd unless it's strongly favors Utah (which means Ptd unlikely to do it).

For some reason I keep looking at Indy (seem to have good relations with them), the Wiz or waiting for the Bobcats to announce a fire sale.

Are you sure about that? They just sent Eric Maynor to OKC for a dude who has never played in the nba before and Matt Harprings expiring contract, and a draft pick. He made an immediate impact for OKC because it allowed them to run Westbrook at SG a lot more.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

How about this 3 way?

Orlando out: Gortat, Bass, Pietrus, A. Johnson
Orlando in: Boozer, Webster, Koufos

Utah Out: Boozer, Kirilenko, Koufos, Price
Utah in: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, Bass, Pietrus, Johnson, Mills

Portland Out: Przybilla, Blake, outlaw, webster, Mills
Portland in: Gortat, Kirilenko, Price

Orlando adds another star to their team in Boozer. Replace Pietrus with Webster. Johnson is their 3rd string PG, included for salary purposes. Lose a bit on front court depth, by replacing Gortat with Koufos.

Nelson/Williams
Carter/Redick
Lewis/Webster
Boozer/Anderson
Howard/Koufos

Utah sheds salary, and manages to get themselves under the LT with this deal. Removing over 4.5 million from this season's salaries. They also save close to 3 million next season, providing Joel stay sunder contract. Would be a lot more if he opted out. They also add decent bench pieces for the future in Pietrus and Bass, with millsap moving to the starting spot. Primarily a financial move for them, but they can stay competitive at least.

For Portland, they replace Webster with Kirilenko, and add Gortat to their front line. Would probably be better served waiting until Rudy is back, to replace Blake. Adds salary to next season, for sure, but Kirilenko would then be a large expiring contract, which could hold some value for us.
Adds a little over 5 million in salary to next season, but would have our salary at around 61 million or so.

Miller/Bayless/Price
Roy/Rudy
Kirilenko/Batum(or switched)/Cunningham
Aldridge/Howard/Cunningham
Gortat/Pendergraph

It adds long term salary in Gortat, that maybe we're unwilling to take on, with Pendergraph playing decent. But it at least affords us another decent C to insure against injury. Or, another trade chip of a 7 footer on an alright contract. I think it keeps us competitive, if not improves us this season, and doesn't hurt long term depth or flexibility.

I'm in!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

QUOTE=hasoos;2223633]Are you sure about that? They just sent Eric Maynor to OKC for a dude who has never played in the nba before and Matt Harprings expiring contract, and a draft pick. He made an immediate impact for OKC because it allowed them to run Westbrook at SG a lot more.[/QUOTE]

Maybe not



I still don't want Utah to get youg talent that could come back and bite us . . . kind of like what happened to Utah, what a dumb move by Utah management.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

KP should counter with wanting nobody EXCPET Williams and Milsap.


It will have to wait until the seaosn is over though. KP and those pesky mid season trades are not a good marriage

 

[hasoos]

I just saw a report that says the Heat and NJ Nets are in talks for Rafer Alston to get traded to Miami for Chris Quin and a 2nd rounder. That would be a major score for Miami IMO.

Edit: Looks like they are trading Quin and the pick to create space, and then signing Alston who is being bought out. It also looks like Cleveland is also trying to get Rafer.

 

[Boob-No-More]

"Rival executives think the Jazz have been asking for too much for Boozer, and that most teams who trade for him would want assurances they have a good chance to re-sign him over the summer."

You mean like the assurances he gave Cleveland he'd re-sign with them - right before he TOTALLY screwed them over. His agent resigned over that. You know you have questionable ethics when your own agent calls you out.

This has come back to haunt the Jazz. Boozer is viewed as a traitorous mercenary with absolutely no loyalty to anyone or anything but the all mighty dollar. Nobody wants to trade for an overpaid back-stabbing snake that will lie to them and then bolt leaving them with nothing the first chance he gets.

So, Utah is stuck with the last year of his contract, paying the luxury tax and losing him for nothing when he signs elsewhere next July. Can't say I feel sorry for them. You reap what you sow. They screwed the Cavs when they snatched the traitor from them. Now, they get what they deserve - an untradeable, overpaid malcontent.

BNM

 

[hasoos]

"Rival executives think the Jazz have been asking for too much for Boozer, and that most teams who trade for him would want assurances they have a good chance to re-sign him over the summer."

You mean like the assurances he gave Cleveland he'd re-sign with them - right before he TOTALLY screwed them over. His agent resigned over that. You know you have questionable ethics when your own agent calls you out.

This has come back to haunt the Jazz. Boozer is viewed as a traitorous mercenary with absolutely no loyalty to anyone or anything but the all mighty dollar. Nobody wants to trade for an overpaid back-stabbing snake that will lie to them and then bolt leaving them with nothing the first chance he gets.

So, Utah is stuck with the last year of his contract, paying the luxury tax and losing him for nothing when he signs elsewhere next July. Can't say I feel sorry for them. You reap what you sow. They screwed the Cavs when they snatched the traitor from them. Now, they get what they deserve - an untradeable, overpaid malcontent.

BNM

Yea and isn't that kind of funny how history repeats itself? The Jazz had been plotting along this season, a little better than last year. Everybody was happy. Then in an interview, once again Boozer brings up leaving after this season. The dude never learns. If he was playing chess, he would be so stupid he would tell his opponent what he was going to do before he made his move. Amazingly enough team starts struggling again. Its hard to get motivated to play with a guy when you know he is going to leave.

 

[RR7]

How would he be considered untradeable? He's easily tradeable, Utah is probably just asking too much. I don't think they're too worried about being "stuck" with him. I think they were bummed he didn't opt out last season.