OT: Joe Johnson a Max Contract Player

[Nate4Prez]

From ESPN's Rumors:

"Word out of Atlanta is that the Hawks are prepared to offer a six-year max deal to Johnson.

As Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer tweets: "Not my beat, but I keep hearing writing off Joe Johnson staying in Atlanta is [a] mistake. Atlanta will offer max, I'm told, and $30 million is $30 million."

As in, signing a max deal with Atlanta will net him $30 million more than signing a max deal with any other team outright in free agency."



Is he really worth that much money? I think with so many teams clearing cap space there will be a lot of players signed for much more than they are worth.

 

[BGrantFan]

I think Atlanta has to offer the max. What are the odds that they get a Joe Johnson over the next five years? It took them two decades to find a franchise player after Dominique Wilkins left.

Is Johnson worth the max? That's up for for debate.

 

[illmatic99]

Is Johnson worth the max? That's up for for debate.

I don't think it's much of a debate. It's a resounding "no" for me.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If only we had a GM right now, WE could offer him a max contract.

er wait?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

He's not worth a max deal, but IMO there are very few players that should get max deals. If I had to, I'd give Johnson a max deal over Amare and Dirk.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Looks pretty comparable to me

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Oh and JJ doesnt nearly have the health concerns Roy has

 

[illmatic99]

How come you didn't post the advanced stats comparison?

 

[BGrantFan]

Looks pretty comparable to me

Well, Johnson is 3 years older. This contract takes him through the age of 34, while Roy is only signed through age 30. I wonder how much Johnson will have left in the tank at ages 33 and 34.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Well, Johnson is 3 years older. This contract takes him through the age of 34, while Roy is only signed through age 30. I wonder how much Johnson will have left in the tank at ages 33 and 34.

I wonder how much Roy will have left in the tank at 29-30

 

[illmatic99]

Oh, and a max deal for Roy is worth a lot less than a max deal for Johnson.

 

[maxiep]

He's worth a max contract to the Hawks. I'd put him on par with Pierce and Roy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I wonder how much Roy will have left in the tank at 29-30

Depends on where his tank is. Let's just all hope it's not in his legs because those aren't going to be worth shit when he is 30

 

[BGrantFan]

How come you didn't post the advanced stats comparison?

Johnson has never even hit a 20 PER in 9 seasons. That's a red flag, and what happens as he ages and loses some athleticism?

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'd probably give one to Dirk over Joe Johnson, b/c of position. To get a "Dirk-Lite" production player, you're looking at what LMA got, or have to pick them high (like Bargnani or Gallinari). To get a "Joe Johnson Lite" combo guard, you don't generally have to look very far or pay very much.

 

[BGrantFan]

I wonder how much Roy will have left in the tank at 29-30

I'm not sure, but he is younger and his game isn't based on athleticism.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I'm not sure, but he is younger and his game isn't based on athleticism.

Johnson is 10 times the shooter Roy is

 

[illmatic99]

He has shot worse from the field than Roy in the last three seasons. And he has choked so hard in the playoffs every year he's been in it as his team's #1 plaeyr.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

He has shot worse from the field than Roy in the last three seasons. And he has choked so hard in the playoffs every year he's been in it as his team's #1 plaeyr.

being a shooter does not have a direct coorelation to FG%. Maybe to 3P% but not FG%.... Roy gets most of his FG's at the basket

 

[BGrantFan]

Johnson is 10 times the shooter Roy is

Johnson is a career 44% shooter and shot 46% last season.

Roy is a career 47% shooter and shot 47% last season.

Johnson is a career 37% 3 pt shooter and shot 37% last season.

Roy is a career 35% 3-pt shooter and shot 33% last season.

Johnson is a career 79% FT shooter and shot 82% last season.

Roy is a career 80% FT shooter and shot 78% last season.

Roy wins on all advanced shooting stats.

How does that make Johnson 10x the shooter that Roy is?

 

[illmatic99]

How does that make Johnson 10x the shooter that Roy is?

It does when you're vehemently trying to provide the opposing opinion no matter how irrational it is.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Is he really worth that much money?

GOD no!

As this guy said:

My official statement on the Hawks allegedly offering Joe Johnson the full six-year max: "Bahahahahahahahaha." Feel free to quote me.

I did!

 

[Mediocre Man]

GOD no!

Is Roy? And if so what is the difference?

 

[illmatic99]

Is Roy? And if so what is the difference?

http://sportstwo.com/threads/163154...tract-Player?p=2369478&viewfull=1#post2369478

 

[BGrantFan]

It does when you're vehemently trying to provide the opposing opinion no matter how irrational it is.

Are Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, Jared Dudley, Daniel Gibson, Anthony Morrow, and Channing Frye worth max deals because they are much better shooters from 3 point range than any current max contract player? Seems to be where we were headed with this conversation.

 

[hasoos]

At the rate the NBA is signing max contract for players not worth the max, it is going to hurt their financial detail down the road. This is looking more and more like Major League Baseball all the time. There are only a few players in the league that are max players. Joe Johnson isn't one of them.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Are Kyle Korver, Mike Miller, Jared Dudley, Daniel Gibson, Anthony Morrow, and Channing Frye worth max deals because they are much better shooters from 3 point range than any current max contract player? Seems to be where we were headed with this conversation.

Your point was that Roys game wasnt based on athletism and that johnsons was... i was saying that actually johnson is the better shooter, so his attributes will last a lot longer than roys

 

[LittleAlex]

Is Roy? And if so what is the difference?

His leadership.
His value in the community as well as on the court.
His max deal is less money then Joe's.
He is much younger then Joe.

Just to name a few.


But really, teams are giving out max deals like pez. I kind of think that a max deal player is a guy who can nearly get your team in the playoffs all by themselves. Joe isn't that kind of guy.

Currently, I don't think any player on Portland is worth a max deal.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

the market determines the dollar value on the player.

Atlanta can't afford to lose him, they have a good thing going. If they don't max him out, he can easily bolt to the Knicks for a big money contract.

 

[hasoos]

the market determines the dollar value on the player.

Atlanta can't afford to lose him, they have a good thing going. If they don't max him out, he can easily bolt to the Knicks for a big money contract.

Maybe, but maybe it's better for them to do that and take the money and sign somebody else. I do not believe I am alone in my thoughts that the Atlanta team as is, has pretty much done what it can do in the season/playoffs. Does anybody honestly believe Atlanta will contend with him? The only way I see Atlanta contending, is when they decide that Josh Smith isn't a power forward, they move Horford over to PF, and go get a real center. Until then, they have no shot. Fail=Fail.