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It's being said it's no longer contingent on D. Williams re-signing. Looks like it's a go regardless.
 
Almost impossible for the Nets to get Dwight Howard now.
 
Billy King.

Giving a declining Wallace $10m/per and now he's trading for Joe Johnson?!

The worst GM in recent memory.
 
NJ is desperate to put a team out their for the opening of their new arena, I guess.
 
It's too bad they don't have more assets or I'd love to see what else we could fleece them for.
 
...the Nets would have 3.5 all-stars in their starting 5 if they are able to retain D-Will and Lopez, why would Billy King be a terrible GM for accomplishing that? :dunno:
 
"If Jeezy's payin' LeBron, I'm payin' Dwyane Wade"

Oops! Better change that to Joe Johnson and Gerald Wallace.
 
HAAK72 said:
...the Nets would have 3.5 all-stars in their starting 5 if they are able to retain D-Will and Lopez, why would Billy King be a terrible GM for accomplishing that? :dunno:
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They’d have one all-star and two former all-stars. Joe Johnson and Wallace are not going to be all-stars again. Their starting center is usually hurt but when healthy averages 5 RPG with poor defense. The team wouldn’t have any flexibility to do future signings nor trades. In a season sign and trades won’t be allowed to luxury tax teams like the Nets.

They are following the blueprint of the 2001 Knicks. Adding overpaid declining vets such as Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Penny Hardaway, Antonio McDyess; they all had amazing all-star seasons during their careers. None of them contributed much of anything to the Knicks except sucking up massive salaries. I’d expect Brooklyn to do better for the next year or two, but they won’t be a contending team and in 3 years they’ll be atrocious.
 
Draco said:
They’d have one all-star and two former all-stars. Joe Johnson and Wallace are not going to be all-stars again. Their starting center is usually hurt but when healthy averages 5 RPG with poor defense. The team wouldn’t have any flexibility to do future signings nor trades. In a season sign and trades won’t be allowed to luxury tax teams like the Nets.

They are following the blueprint of the 2001 Knicks. Adding overpaid declining vets such as Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Penny Hardaway, Antonio McDyess; they all had amazing all-star seasons during their careers. None of them contributed much of anything to the Knicks except sucking up massive salaries. I’d expect Brooklyn to do better for the next year or two, but they won’t be a contending team and in 3 years they’ll be atrocious.
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...Both D-Will and JJ are perennial All-stars and Crash is only 29 years old [granted he has logged a lot of minutes in his career, but he has plenty left in the tank!] maybe I should have said 2.5 All-Stars with Lopez soon to make it 3.5 when he exceeds his career averages of 17.4 pts / 7.5 rebs / 1.6 blks next season. I don't think it is an equal comparison to say D-Will, JJ, Crash, and Lopez are similar to the 2001 Knick scrubs you mentioned. Sure, they will be in the luxury, but who cares when you have a dominant starting 5 that can contend with the Heat every year. Also, who the hell does sign-and-trades anymore?
 
Now they just traded Marvin for D-Harris.

How do we get in on this firesale? I want Smoove.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Now they just traded Marvin for D-Harris.

How do we get in on this firesale? I want Smoove.
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I doubt it, I think they are trying to keep Jsmith to let his deal expire and go after DWight/Cp3 this summer
 
When JJ begins to decline heavily it will be terrible paying him so much money.
 
Vinyard said:
When JJ begins to decline heavily it will be terrible paying him so much money.
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It's true, but then he'll be a bitchin expiring contract, and if they don't use that, then they'll make sure others expire
at the same time, and have enormous cap space to take a run at the next star.

When you have $, all problems can be fixed with a little patience and a good GM.

BTW, that's why I was against drafting Drummond. He'll absolutely suck for a couple of years, and then when
he starts to dominate, he'll leave the pistons for a team with a good GM and capspace - hello, Brooklyn!
 
It just occurred to me--the Nets REALLY missed out by not getting a top-3 pick. How good would Thomas Robinson look added to Deron, JJ, Wallace and Lopez? That would potentially be a contending starting 5.
 
He has $89m left on his deal, that is beyond atrocious.

Factor in his mediocre play, along with Wallace's declining numbers, Billy King is running that franchise into the ground.
 
JJ's contract is absolutely nuts, in 2015 he will make $24,894,863
 
yuyuza1 said:
Now they just traded Marvin for D-Harris.

How do we get in on this firesale? I want Smoove.
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If you think about it, both of those moves were great moves for the Hawks in terms of their payroll. Johnson wasn't nearly worth the money he was being paid. As one of the most overrated players in the game, his contract would only prove to be a bigger and bigger onus on the Atlanta Hawks. Williams' contract/productivity was like a microcosm of Joe Johnson's contract/productivity.

Ferry didn't take on too much talent in return for the two, but he shed two of the worst contracts in franchise history in one day. That has to be commended on a certain level. The Hawks weren't going anywhere except playoff mediocrity with Joe Johnson as their captain and Marvin Williams making over $15 mill the next two years. Now they have room to build.

Fez Hammersticks said:
Billy King.

Giving a declining Wallace $10m/per and now he's trading for Joe Johnson?!

The worst GM in recent memory.
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I agree on Wallace, and I wouldn't want to bring in Joe Johnson and his awful contract to my team, but I feel like there was more to this deal than what meets the eye. I have a feeling that Orlando was playing hardball with Howard's trade requests and probably didn't accept any of Brooklyn's offers. Knowing that the odds of Howard coming without Deron were probably 50/50 and the odds of Deron staying without a legitimate core being slim, the Nets were probably pressured into bringing in Johnson just to keep on Deron.

That being said, it did put a big smile on my face knowing that Dwight Howard and his "camp" are pretty much f*cked.

(BTW - How weird is it to type the "Brooklyn Nets"? I just had to edit my post to take the "New Jersey" out. Just feels weird...)
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
It just occurred to me--the Nets REALLY missed out by not getting a top-3 pick. How good would Thomas Robinson look added to Deron, JJ, Wallace and Lopez? That would potentially be a contending starting 5.
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Humphries is actually quite good, if they hold onto him (which they should, now that Joe Johnson has exploded their cap situation). Robinson has a higher ceiling, but over the next year or two, I'd expect Humphries to be better. The Nets are paying a ton for it, but they have a pretty strong potential starting five (once/if they get Williams, Lopez and Humphries back into the fold). Not a title contending starting lineup, but one that could contend for a top-four seed, IMO.
 
Minstrel said:
Humphries is actually quite good, if they hold onto him (which they should, now that Joe Johnson has exploded their cap situation). Robinson has a higher ceiling, but over the next year or two, I'd expect Humphries to be better. The Nets are paying a ton for it, but they have a pretty strong potential starting five (once/if they get Williams, Lopez and Humphries back into the fold). Not a title contending starting lineup, but one that could contend for a top-four seed, IMO.
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Now they're saying that Brooklyn might get DH. Deron, DH, GWall, and Joe Johnson will be a pretty good team. Obvious JJ and GWall aren't anywhere near the players they were a few years ago, but still, not a bad team at all. I figure they'll replace the Celtics as the third best team in the East.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Now they're saying that Brooklyn might get DH. Deron, DH, GWall, and Joe Johnson will be a pretty good team. Obvious JJ and GWall aren't anywhere near the players they were a few years ago, but still, not a bad team at all. I figure they'll replace the Celtics as the third best team in the East.
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That'll be ridiculously unfair if they can send out those scrubs for Dwight. They’d definitely be second favorite in the East; Rose may not play at all next season. Players often never return to 100% of their old self after ACL reconstruction. The Bulls will likely lose one or both of Boozer or Asik and don’t have much flexibility to add free agents going forward.
 
If I were Orlando I’d insist on completely unprotected 1st round picks in 2013, 2015, 2017, 2019, 2021 for a Dwight deal. Those last few picks could be at the top of the lottery and quite high. Brooklyn would be willing to take the risk. That’s how the Bulls got a number of great lottery picks, they were from the Knicks. The Bulls blew it and drafted Tyrus Thomas instead of LaMarcus but regardless those picks can become very valuable. I’d also make Brooklyn take back a couple crappy contracts like Turkoglu.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
It just occurred to me--the Nets REALLY missed out by not getting a top-3 pick. How good would Thomas Robinson look added to Deron, JJ, Wallace and Lopez? That would potentially be a contending starting 5.
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They couldn't have both Wallace and the pick. They got one for the other.

People in this thread belittle Brooklyn for paying Wallace $10M, but our team will pay more to a worse player, Batum.
 
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