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Wherever Love goes, he won't come cheap. The five-year, $60 million extensions signed by Joakim Noah and Al Horford last year will likely be Love's starting point in negotiations. And his deal could be bigger. When asked what kind of contract Love could be in line for this summer, one league executive's answer was succinct: Max.
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Then there is this: Love told SI.com that during last summer's World Championship in Turkey he had conversations with USA Basketball teammates Russell Westbrook (who played with Love at UCLA) and Derrick Rose about the possibility of someday teaming up in the NBA. Oklahoma City's Westbrook and Chicago's Rose are also permitted to sign extensions this summer.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/chris_mannix/01/04/kevin.love/index.html#ixzz1A6dOTH85
 
Oden, Batum and Joel for Kevin Love works under the cap because the Wolves have cap-room and would also give us a big trade exception.
 
It would also put us much closer to the salary-cap (above by like 3mil) and Andre Miller's contract expires before Love's.
 
But we also have to re-sign Dante and Patty so we don't get cap-room but I still think it's a good trade.
 
Love has always been such a baby, he learned that from his father. I know a lot of people see Kevin Love as a white knight coming to save Portland, but he is a good player on a terrible and I mean TERRIBLE team. Everyone felt the same way about David Lee, but now look at Lee. He has not brought GS out of the crapper, nor will Love.
 
I prefer LMA over Love becasue of the "go-to" ability that I think Love should have for a potential Max player. (Unless he is a hell of a defensive player which he is adequate at best)

Now I would not mind seeing him play along side of LMA in a Blazer uniform. But that would effect the stats for both players. And we all know how Blazer fans love their stats. In the end we would be pissed that he is getting a Max contract. And once fans think a player is over paid, it never seems to end well.
 
I see a lot of folks say he picks up his rebound numbers because of how bad of a team he is on. But the facts are that Minnesota is shooting about .450, which I consider pretty good. If you are rebounding at the rate he does, when a team shoots that good nightly, you are a beast on the boards. His offense and defense, not so good, but they will come along.
 
hasoos said:
I see a lot of folks say he picks up his rebound numbers because of how bad of a team he is on. But the facts are that Minnesota is shooting about .450, which I consider pretty good. If you are rebounding at the rate he does, when a team shoots that good nightly, you are a beast on the boards. His offense and defense, not so good, but they will come along.
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They are also the worst team in the NBA when it comes to turnovers, thus they are 25th in the NBA at FGA by the other team. So they avg 83 FGA against per game vs Portland that only gives the opponent an avg of 74 shots a game. That is a lot of extra boards. Now in addition to that they also send the most players to the line in the NBA at 29.7 per game, but you cut that number in half basically do to the double bonus. Still that is around an extra 15 rebound chances per game right there. So overall Minny gets about 25 more rebound opportunities on the defensive side of the ball alone, and probably a few more on the offensive side because they also average more shots per game than Portland.

The facts point to K Love getting a lot of chances to get boards, a lot more than LMA anyway.
 
I like Kevin Love. I think he is a good player. I would like him on my team. That being said...max contract? Especially with the possibility of a new CBA being more restrictive, he's just not the type of player you give, or should give a max contract to. Just my opinion.
 
Just got to our hotel in Minny! Cold as shit....... and who do I see eating a MOUND of nachos in the Hard Rock Cafe right across the street from the arena.......... The LoveBoat himslef! NICE!
 
I'm gonna go back downstairs and try to sneak a pic................
 
Sug said:
They are also the worst team in the NBA when it comes to turnovers, thus they are 25th in the NBA at FGA by the other team. So they avg 83 FGA against per game vs Portland that only gives the opponent an avg of 74 shots a game. That is a lot of extra boards. Now in addition to that they also send the most players to the line in the NBA at 29.7 per game, but you cut that number in half basically do to the double bonus. Still that is around an extra 15 rebound chances per game right there. So overall Minny gets about 25 more rebound opportunities on the defensive side of the ball alone, and probably a few more on the offensive side because they also average more shots per game than Portland.

The facts point to K Love getting a lot of chances to get boards, a lot more than LMA anyway.
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Yep you definitely have a good argument there dude. Probably a lot more useful statistic, would be a rebound percentage to really find out who is doing what while they are in the game. If they are going to be this many rebounds available, this many of them would be snagged by player X. Then you could plug in the numbers from what your team typically does, and see where they line up.
 
hasoos said:
Yep you definitely have a good argument there dude. Probably a lot more useful statistic, would be a rebound percentage to really find out who is doing what while they are in the game. If they are going to be this many rebounds available, this many of them would be snagged by player X. Then you could plug in the numbers from what your team typically does, and see where they line up.
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It makes you realize how good Camby is at rebounding.
 
Love's a really good rebounder, but in addition to the arguments above, I think playing next to a guy like Marcus Camby would have a significant impact on the number of boards he gets.
 
e_blazer said:
Love's a really good rebounder, but in addition to the arguments above, I think playing next to a guy like Marcus Camby would have a significant impact on the number of boards he gets.
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As it would effect the number of rebounds Camby gets as well.
 
e_blazer said:
Sure, but I'm just saying that he doesn't have the competition in grabbing boards that a guy like LMA does.
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Oh, without a doubt. But, I'm also certain without Camby in the lineup Aldridge wouldn't be posting 20 rebound games frequently like Love does.
 
hasoos said:
I see a lot of folks say he picks up his rebound numbers because of how bad of a team he is on. But the facts are that Minnesota is shooting about .450, which I consider pretty good. If you are rebounding at the rate he does, when a team shoots that good nightly, you are a beast on the boards. His offense and defense, not so good, but they will come along.
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I don't think the quailty of the team matters, but I do think who he plays with matters. I still go back to the early 90's when Blazers fans would BASH Duckworth for only averaging about 6 boards per game. Playing along side Buck, Terry, Jerome, and Clyde. Even though we led the league in rebouding.
 
The only thing Love should be weighing is himself. A little pudgy around the middle.
 
Sug said:
They are also the worst team in the NBA when it comes to turnovers, thus they are 25th in the NBA at FGA by the other team. So they avg 83 FGA against per game vs Portland that only gives the opponent an avg of 74 shots a game. That is a lot of extra boards. Now in addition to that they also send the most players to the line in the NBA at 29.7 per game, but you cut that number in half basically do to the double bonus. Still that is around an extra 15 rebound chances per game right there. So overall Minny gets about 25 more rebound opportunities on the defensive side of the ball alone, and probably a few more on the offensive side because they also average more shots per game than Portland.

The facts point to K Love getting a lot of chances to get boards, a lot more than LMA anyway.
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There are stats that take all of that into account: ORB%, DRB% and TRB%

Right now, Marcus Camby and Kevin Love are battling it out to see who will have the highest TRB% of anyone not named Dennis Rodman in the 40 seasons since they started tracking this stat. Love had been leading all season and was over 25% until very recently. His TRB% has dipped a bit over the least two weeks down to 23.57% and Camby's has risen to a new season (and career) high of 24.11%. At the rate Camby is going, due to his limited minutes and occasional missed game due to nagging injuries, he will barely have enough total rebounds (800) to qualify for the league lead. If he misses a few more games, he won't have enough total rebounds to qualify.

Camby is an interesting case. He led the league in TRB% last season at 22.2% - his previous career high. This is now his 15th season in the NBA, and while he's always had a pretty high TRB% (topped 20% on multiple occasions), he's only had enough total rebounds to qualify for the league lead three times (at the age of 32, 33 and 35).

I hate to pick at this scab, but at the time Greg Oden fractured his patella, he was leading the league in ORB% (15.6%) and TRB% (21.9%). He was also leading the league in FG% (0.605), TS% (0.647) and BLK% (7.7%). Not too shabby for a foul prone, out of shape, inexperienced 22-year old. God, it's almost sickening how good that guy could be if he could ever get, and stay, healthy.

In any case, right now, both are beasting it on the boards, regardless of the pace and style their teams play. When there are 10 players on the court and you get almost 25% of all available rebounds, you're doing a great job on the boards. As I mentioned, the only player to ever top TRB% = 25 in the last 40 years was Dennis Rodman - and he did it six times.

Considering all the great rebounders the league has seen over the last 40 years, being among the top ever in TRB%, for both Camby and Love, is very impressive.

BNM
 
e_blazer said:
Love's a really good rebounder, but in addition to the arguments above, I think playing next to a guy like Marcus Camby would have a significant impact on the number of boards he gets.
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I have visions of Love boxing out Camby for rebounds.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't think the quailty of the team matters, but I do think who he plays with matters. I still go back to the early 90's when Blazers fans would BASH Duckworth for only averaging about 6 boards per game. Playing along side Buck, Terry, Jerome, and Clyde. Even though we led the league in rebouding.
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The Blazers led the NBA in rebounding % during the 54-win season, and LMA got KILLED for "only" averaging 8 rpg. It was ridiculous then, just as it was ridiculous last season.
 
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