(OT) Kawhi saga

[jlprk]

His camp has stated New York, Los Angeles and Philly as teams he'd accept a trade to...he wants a large market team.

Where did you see that? Link please.

Which brings us to a potentially bigger issue, and that is that the Spurs are said to be concerned that Leonard’s camp is angling to get the 26-year-old traded to a bigger market.

Popovich’s constant references to Leonard’s “group” are a manifestation of the tension between the Spurs and Robertson and Frankel that has developed over the past year, according to Spurs sources.

Multiple league sources also told ESPN that the Spurs have grown worried that Leonard’s group has an ulterior motive to fray the relationship and get Leonard traded to a larger market like Los Angeles (Leonard’s hometown) or New York or Philadelphia (Robertson lives in New Jersey).

One source close to general manager R.C. Buford said the longtime executive admitted to him that he’s constantly losing sleep over how and why the relationship with Leonard has disintegrated.

The middle paragraph is the money quote. Riverman didn't say that that's from the OP's ESPN article. So I'm noting it now for posterity (after having to look it up).

 

[BlazerWookee]

Sounds a bit like Bill Walton's beef with the Blazers that led to him leaving for San Diego.

Mmmmmm... Irony....

 

[BrianFromWA]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23295190/kawhi-leonard-trades-see-san-antonio-spurs-make-nba

Portland seen as one of the 7 trade partners the "NBA Insiders" deem Kawhi Leonard possibly going to...

lazers get: Kawhi Leonard, Derrick White

Spurs get: CJ McCollum, 2019 first-round pick

Jeremias Engelmann: Portland is on the wrong side of two consecutive first-round playoff sweeps and would certainly welcome a new face in its starting lineup, especially an All-Star wing and Defensive Player of the Year in Kawhi. The potential risk -- if Leonard isn't happy with the Spurs of all teams, can he be happy somewhere else? -- is significantly outweighed by the potential upside.

In a vacuum, the Spurs don't do this trade, as McCollum doesn't have the impact of Leonard on either side of the court. But with Leonard and the Spurs on such uncertain terms, San Antonio's hand is a bit forced. While McCollum had a bit of a down year, he's still one of only 14 players who scored 20 PPG while being younger than 27. From a pure impact standpoint, McCollum generally ranks in the top-40 in multiyear regularized adjusted plus-minus (RAPM).

McCollum's biggest weakness, defensive impact, is something that coaching has been shown to have a large influence on. So what better team for him to play on than one that finished top three in defensive rating for six consecutive years? And with how many gems the Spurs have found late in the draft, Portland's future first-round pick -- expected to be in the low 20s -- should be a welcome addition to the deal.

This would be interesting...

 

[BonesJones]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23295190/kawhi-leonard-trades-see-san-antonio-spurs-make-nba

Portland seen as one of the 7 trade partners the "NBA Insiders" deem Kawhi Leonard possibly going to...



This would be interesting...

Yay, trade CJ and a draft pick for a guy who wouldnt make us a contender (we need 3 star level players), and would leave after a year!

 

[julius]

Yay, trade CJ and a draft pick for a guy who wouldnt make us a contender (we need 3 star level players), and would leave after a year!

A healthy Kawhi is better than a healthy CJ.

The issue is, is Kawhi healthy.

 

[BonesJones]

A healthy Kawhi is better than a healthy CJ.

The issue is, is Kawhi healthy.

A team with C.J., a draft pick, and no Kawhi is better than a team with no C.J., no draft pick, and no Kawhi.

We need to build with 2020 in mind.

 

[julius]

A team with C.J., a draft pick, and no Kawhi is better than a team with no C.J., no draft pick, and no Kawhi.

We need to build with 2020 in mind.

wouldn't losing Kawhi in 2019 have 2020 in mind?

 

[BonesJones]

wouldn't losing Kawhi in 2019 have 2020 in mind?

Sorry, I should've said being good in 2020 haha.

 

[BigGameDamian]

A team with C.J., a draft pick, and no Kawhi is better than a team with no C.J., no draft pick, and no Kawhi.

We need to build with 2020 in mind.

WARNING!!! Nobody wants to be in Portland, Why make trades if there just going to leave? Why even fucking try?

 

[BonesJones]

WARNING!!! Nobody wants to be in Portland, Why make trades if there just going to leave? Why even fucking try?

Not at all, as usual, you avoid context.

Kawhi's only leaving San Antonio if he wants out. The reasons would be to play in a big market (and maybe in California, where he's from), and/or to play for a contender.

Portland couldn't offer that. Portland couldn't offer anything San Antonio couldn't. So given what he values, and the context of the situation, why would he not want to be in San Antonio and would prefer Portland instead?

 

[julius]

Sorry, I should've said being good in 2020 haha.

Ooh, well I'm not sure if staying with the current team will lead them to being good in 2020.

I'm not sure what that will take.

IF Kawhi is healthy and re-signs, would you like the trade?

It's as likely to happen as LeBron coming here, so it's mostly just hot air at this point.

 

[BonesJones]

Ooh, well I'm not sure if staying with the current team will lead them to being good in 2020.

I'm not sure what that will take.

IF Kawhi is healthy and re-signs, would you like the trade?

It's as likely to happen as LeBron coming here, so it's mostly just hot air at this point.

Yes, I would love the trade if Kawhi was healthy and re-signed.

However, he wouldn't re-sign. So I wouldn't like the trade.

 

[CupWizier]

Yes, I would love the trade if Kawhi was healthy and re-signed.

However, he wouldn't re-sign. So I wouldn't like the trade.

And how do you know what Kawhi Leonard will do?

 

[riverman]

So given what he values, and the context of the situation, why would he not want to be in San Antonio and would prefer Portland instead?

I don't get this statement Bones...San Antonio is a small market...he had a problem with Pops style of coaching and practice scheduling...since Duncan left he's obviously not pleased with the team....even though you're no fan...Stotts is a players coach...Portland has a unified culture of players that like it here....as someone said....you don't know what motivates Leonard at all anymore than BGD or I do....what I do know is he's shown a desire for a change of NBA scenery. Portland is on the rise....San Antonio is in slight decline and ageing fast....even Lamarcus wanted out of the place last summer...their best players are way past their primes...I wouldn't sell Portland short as a destination that's attractive to players anymore. That stigma died with Raymond Felton and Luke Babbitt

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I don't get this statement Bones...San Antonio is a small market...he had a problem with Pops style of coaching and practice scheduling...since Duncan left he's obviously not pleased with the team....even though you're no fan...Stotts is a players coach...Portland has a unified culture of players that like it here....as someone said....you don't know what motivates Leonard at all anymore than BGD or I do....what I do know is he's shown a desire for a change of NBA scenery. Portland is on the rise....San Antonio is in slight decline and ageing fast....even Lamarcus wanted out of the place last summer...their best players are way past their primes...I wouldn't sell Portland short as a destination that's attractive to players anymore. That stigma died with Raymond Felton and Luke Babbitt

I heard a radio interview with a couple NBA players last week and they were saying that the idea players won’t come to Portland isn’t really true. They basically saying FA’s go basically where they think they can win and where there family is happy. The point they were trying to make was that Portland and other “smaller” markets can get FA’s and that every player is going to make their decisions differently.
They were talking about the stigma, that a “rich young black guy”, won’t go to a small market because it doesn’t have the nightlife or whatever is a stupid stereotype, not every NBA player spends there time in clubs. Every market will have swings and misses, because it’s about finding guys that fit with the market you’re in.
I realize Portland hasn’t been a high priority landing point, but I think they were pretty much dead on, players are ultimately people and all of them are different and will value different things. There are players that come to Portland and fall in love and there are players who don’t want to come here or be here.

 

[CupWizier]

I heard a radio interview with a couple NBA players last week and they were saying that the idea players won’t come to Portland isn’t really true. They basically saying FA’s go basically where they think they can win and where there family is happy. The point they were trying to make was that Portland and other “smaller” markets can get FA’s and that every player is going to make their decisions differently.
They were talking about the stigma, that a “rich young black guy”, won’t go to a small market because it doesn’t have the nightlife or whatever is a stupid stereotype, not every NBA player spends there time in clubs. Every market will have swings and misses, because it’s about finding guys that fit with the market you’re in.
I realize Portland hasn’t been a high priority landing point, but I think they were pretty much dead on, players are ultimately people and all of them are different and will value different things. There are players that come to Portland and fall in love and there are players who don’t want to come here or be here.

Exactly. Many of them live elsewhere in the off season anyway and during the season they are either playing games at home or traveling on the road so nightlife is whatever city you are in that night if you want it.

 

[julius]

I heard a radio interview with a couple NBA players last week and they were saying that the idea players won’t come to Portland isn’t really true. They basically saying FA’s go basically where they think they can win and where there family is happy. The point they were trying to make was that Portland and other “smaller” markets can get FA’s and that every player is going to make their decisions differently.
They were talking about the stigma, that a “rich young black guy”, won’t go to a small market because it doesn’t have the nightlife or whatever is a stupid stereotype, not every NBA player spends there time in clubs. Every market will have swings and misses, because it’s about finding guys that fit with the market you’re in.
I realize Portland hasn’t been a high priority landing point, but I think they were pretty much dead on, players are ultimately people and all of them are different and will value different things. There are players that come to Portland and fall in love and there are players who don’t want to come here or be here.

You ask the players who played for the Blazers (and weren't dipshits like Felton) and they almost all loved playing in Portland. It's just that the team isn't a winner.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You ask the players who played for the Blazers (and weren't dipshits like Felton) and they almost all loved playing in Portland. It's just that the team isn't a winner.

If the friggin' free agents would just choose to come here, maybe it would be.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

https://www.ksat.com/sports/nba/spu...-in-new-york-tim-duncan-also-reported-in-area

 

[riverman]

I can remember when Golden State and Cleveland were both bad teams for many years. Nobody wanted to go to either franchise ….

 

[calvin natt]

Not at all, as usual, you avoid context.

Kawhi's only leaving San Antonio if he wants out. The reasons would be to play in a big market (and maybe in California, where he's from), and/or to play for a contender.

Portland couldn't offer that. Portland couldn't offer anything San Antonio couldn't. So given what he values, and the context of the situation, why would he not want to be in San Antonio and would prefer Portland instead?

The only thing I could think of, is hearing from a good friend of Patty Mills' in SA that playing there isn't always all its cracked up to be. Pop runs a tight ship, they do some things like a "Daily Vitamin" where each player has to check in with one coach every day and talk with them for an hour. Every day - home or away, game day or not. Things like that, isn't for some players. Again, its a long shot for him to leave SA to go to Portland because it doesn't appear to address what perhaps is appealing to him (LA, NY). But maybe he just wants a change of scenery.

 

[calvin natt]

I can remember when Golden State and Cleveland were both bad teams for many years. Nobody wanted to go to either franchise ….

This is true.

 

[BrianFromWA]

The only thing I could think of, is hearing from a good friend of Patty Mills' in SA that playing there isn't always all its cracked up to be. Pop runs a tight ship, they do some things like a "Daily Vitamin" where each player has to check in with one coach every day and talk with them for an hour. Every day - home or away, game day or not. Things like that, isn't for some players. Again, its a long shot for him to leave SA to go to Portland because it doesn't appear to address what perhaps is appealing to him (LA, NY). But maybe he just wants a change of scenery.

Kawhi didn't hate SA until LMA came along...just sayin'...

 

[Eastoff]

https://www.ksat.com/sports/nba/spu...-in-new-york-tim-duncan-also-reported-in-area

Leonard's doctors are based in NYC, Yes?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

 

[BBert]

David BokChoy needs to shut his whore mouth.