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The Aroldis Chapman deal basically.... We'd have to clear a bunch of cap space. Neil would earn GM of the Century if he can pull that screw job!
 
Gonna get more than we can give.... I think?

But ya, adding a vet back up center should ne a priority this off season.

Heu Neil!!!!!!! Maybe one that will actually play :banghead2:
 
I think a healthy and hungry Ed Davis will suffice as our a backup big. He will be a FA in the year after, so he's gonna be motivated.

And DEN will probably bend over backwards to keep Plums just to save face.
 
I don't think we can sign Plumlee again until a year after we traded him and fact is...we can't afford him as a backup and don't need him...we can draft a backup
 
Man, I was just thinking about this, but how much money do you think Plumlee will miss out on due to this trade?
 
Scalma said:
Man, I was just thinking about this, but how much money do you think Plumlee will miss out on due to this trade?
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I think he is being exposed, and the league is seeing all the issues that we have been seeing for the past year.
 
yuyuza1 said:
I think a healthy and hungry Ed Davis will suffice as our a backup big. He will be a FA in the year after, so he's gonna be motivated.

And DEN will probably bend over backwards to keep Plums just to save face.
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I agree with this. Davis and a rookie seem to be our best bet to back up Nurk unless we can trade Leonard and a pick to a team with multiple bigs, but who desperately needs one of them to space the floor.

Maybe Meyers and a pick for Henson? He is a little skinny for center but he can protect the rim.
 
Pointless. He won't be making less than $12M next year and probably over $15M and we won't be able to extend Nurkic in 2018. He will stay at Denver or go to Charlotte, Milwaukee or Orlando.

We will draft Patton, Allen, Adebayo or Collins.
 
No, Mason is what Mason is. And that isn't someone who can keep the defense honest.
 
Scalma said:
Man, I was just thinking about this, but how much money do you think Plumlee will miss out on due to this trade?
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Players generally look better in a fluent Stotts run system which gets the best out of the players he plays. It's like our version of SA. You can take a player who plays in the offense of a majority of teams in the league, put them on the Blazers, and their trade value will go up.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Players generally look better in a fluent Stotts run system which gets the best out of the players he plays. It's like our version of SA. You can take a player who plays in the offense of a majority of teams in the league, put them on the Blazers, and their trade value will go up.
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Except Turner and Crabbe and Leonard. lol
 
Orion Bailey said:
Except Turner and Crabbe and Leonard. lol
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Turner is a bit of a statistical anomaly, much of the reason for that could be attributed to the depth of players we have who do what we want from ET. The other part is our offensive system not always playing into his strengths as a player.
 
42N8Bounce said:
Maybe our system is making Leonard look better than he actually is. Hard to imagine.
:blink:
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Or at least getting the most out of him.

As long as players are getting minutes I feel confident that our coach is putting them in their best situation to succeed. I bet the players will attest to that. I recall hearing Dame say how much he appreciated coach just letting him play in his first year.
 
In theory playing with Nurk should help ET too, but he has been hurt since we have gotten Nurk. Too early to tell.

Crabbe had a frustrating game last night, lot of shots that were in and out, but he has played well with Nurk.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
In theory playing with Nurk should help ET too, but he has been hurt since we have gotten Nurk. Too early to tell.

Crabbe had a frustrating game last night, lot of shots that were in and out, but he has played well with Nurk.
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I don't think we really even have a lot of sets tailored to ET and Nurk. For years it has been high PnR with our guards, back to when we were running the PnR/P with LA to get him his mid range looks. Since ET doesn't shoot from outside you would want to run plays from his strength in order to maximize their effectiveness.

I think something like an ET back down outside the left block with a high 4/5 screen at the FT line could work. ET would have the reads of Nurk rolling to the rim, Noah having a look at the FT line, or working the ISO.
 
Truth be told, I don't get why Denver added Memphis pick to that deal. This isn't really a bad pick either, it will be circa 20 which is fine for a deep draft and could get us a decent cheap player. We would have probably swapped Plumlee for Nurkic straight up and it would have still been a good deal.
 
Sarni said:
Truth be told, I don't get why Denver added Memphis pick to that deal. This isn't really a bad pick either, it will be circa 20 which is fine for a deep draft and could get us a decent cheap player. We would have probably swapped Plumlee for Nurkic straight up and it would have still been a good deal.
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Because we have the car salesman and they dont.
 
Sarni said:
Truth be told, I don't get why Denver added Memphis pick to that deal. This isn't really a bad pick either, it will be circa 20 which is fine for a deep draft and could get us a decent cheap player. We would have probably swapped Plumlee for Nurkic straight up and it would have still been a good deal.
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They really wanted Plumlee and word is we were able to play hardball because we had an alternative trade lined up for Jahlil Okafor.
 
Sarni said:
Truth be told, I don't get why Denver added Memphis pick to that deal. This isn't really a bad pick either, it will be circa 20 which is fine for a deep draft and could get us a decent cheap player. We would have probably swapped Plumlee for Nurkic straight up and it would have still been a good deal.
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Let me explain it to you:

Nurk was a talented, but chemistry-killing, lazy backup with an injury history.

Plumlee was a starter and former Olympian on a team that went to the 2nd round of the playoffs who himself had a 19+ PER.

In addition, Okafor (the 3rd pick in the 2015 draft) was sitting out a game in Philadelphia because they were about to trade him to the Blazers for Plumlee. Neil told Denver that they'd have to kick in a 1st rounder or they'd go with Okafor. Denver's team is very young, and they don't need another young player, so they bit.

The trade was not unreasonably at all, and those who claim otherwise are living in revisionist history. Neil himself didn't think Nurk was going to be an immediate hit, likely valuing the draft pick and the smaller contract as much as the player.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Let me explain it to you:

Nurk was a talented, but chemistry-killing, lazy backup with an injury history.

Plumlee was a starter and former Olympian on a team that went to the 2nd round of the playoffs who himself had a 19+ PER.

In addition, Okafor (the 3rd pick in the 2015 draft) was sitting out a game in Philadelphia because they were about to trade him to the Blazers for Plumlee. Neil told Denver that they'd have to kick in a 1st rounder or they'd go with Okafor. Denver's team is very young, and they don't need another young player, so they bit.

The trade was not unreasonably at all, and those who claim otherwise are living in revisionist history. Neil himself didn't think Nurk was going to be an immediate hit, likely valuing the draft pick and the smaller contract as much as the player.
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End of discussion.
 
Sarni said:
Truth be told, I don't get why Denver added Memphis pick to that deal. This isn't really a bad pick either, it will be circa 20 which is fine for a deep draft and could get us a decent cheap player. We would have probably swapped Plumlee for Nurkic straight up and it would have still been a good deal.
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There are a few things I can think of, but it's still kind of ridiculous from the Nuggets side no matter how you cut it...

Maybe they felt like they have spent too long developing talent and already have enough young players that adding 2 more would be too much of a time commitment at this point.

Maybe their FO doesn't actually think this is that deep of a draft, or that all of the NBA caliber players in this draft who fill positional needs for them will be gone by the ~20th pick

I can tell you one thing for sure though. If we draft a baller with that Memphis pick, and have any type of legitimate success (I'd consider a conference championship something which would qualify) then the Nuggets FO will never be able to live down this trade. It would be historically bad league wide, potentially the worst trade ever made in NBA history.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
There are a few things I can think of, but it's still kind of ridiculous from the Nuggets side no matter how you cut it...

Maybe they felt like they have spent too long developing talent and already have enough young players that adding 2 more would be too much of a time commitment at this point.

Maybe their FO doesn't actually think this is that deep of a draft, or that all of the NBA caliber players in this draft who fill positional needs for them will be gone by the ~20th pick

I can tell you one thing for sure though. If we draft a baller with that Memphis pick, and have any type of legitimate success (I'd consider a conference championship something which would qualify) then the Nuggets FO will never be able to live down this trade. It would be historically bad league wide, potentially the worst trade ever made in NBA history.
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Read above you^^^^^^^^
Pretty to the point and it all adds up.
End of discussion. ;)
 
Turner was playing his best basketball when he was starting. He got injured and he hasn't even got back into form.
 
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