OT: OKC made out like bandits

[PapaG]

How about getting first crack given that they have his bird rights. No different from Green, honestly.

Bird rights only mean that they can offer an extra year, not retain exclusive rights. IMO, that would be overpaying for Perkins, especially if you're going into max contract territory. They already extended Durant, and Westbrook is next.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Perk's health worries me and Green is a great role player. Boston still has a zillion bigs and now OKC starting posts are terrible offensively. KD and Westbrook can't score 80 a night. Where will they get their points from now?

 

[Darkwebs]

Perk's health worries me and Green is a great role player. Boston still has a zillion bigs and now OKC starting posts are terrible offensively. KD and Westbrook can't score 80 a night. Where will they get their points from now?

Harden can score.

 

[Run BJM]

Perk's health worries me and Green is a great role player. Boston still has a zillion bigs and now OKC starting posts are terrible offensively. KD and Westbrook can't score 80 a night. Where will they get their points from now?

Perk's health is certainly a concern. But they just got much, much better. Your teams going to do dick if you're starting Jeff Green at PF (and Krstic at C). Their interior defense and rebounding just skyrocketed and IMO their front line will now be able to keep up with the Lakers, Spurs, etc. (or at least hold their own better). Perk is a great defender, provides great toughness, and hes got the size and tenacity to handle big front lines. Scoring is easy to find in the NBA, centers who anchor the defense and can make life hell for the elite bigs of the NBA aren't so easy to find.

Green was scoring 15 ppg. Krstic and Perkins score almost the same at about 7 ppg, though the last two seasons Perk has averaged 10 and 8.5 ppg and his playing time has been very limited this year. Obviously hes no scorer but as far as actual output hes near Krstic and certainly lightyears ahead in every other aspect. The Thunder believe its time to let Harden take more shots and they picked up Nate Robinson who can score in bunches as a 6th man. The makeup of their team just changed but, like I said, scorers aren't that hard to find. They now have a front line that can match up with the big contenders, worry about scoring later.

 

[Road Blocker]

If Perkin's stays healthy, then it was a solid trade for both teams. I especially like the deal for Boston though.

 

[Run BJM]

If Perkin's stays healthy, then it was a solid trade for both teams. I especially like the deal for Boston though.

Can you explain why? I don't think much of Jeff Green but Celtics people seem to think he can help them defend LeBron, Melo, Deng(?), whoever the hell else is out east at SF. And he is 6'9 235-240 and a pretty good athlete but I don't think of him as much of a defender nor do I think he can keep up with Bron/Melo that well. And what happens when you get to the finals against LAL? Can KG with Big Baby/Shaq/JO get it done? They're still big but Shaq and JO are old and broken.

 

[Road Blocker]

Can you explain why? I don't think much of Jeff Green but Celtics people seem to think he can help them defend LeBron, Melo, Deng(?), whoever the hell else is out east at SF. And he is 6'9 235-240 and a pretty good athlete but I don't think of him as much of a defender nor do I think he can keep up with Bron/Melo that well. And what happens when you get to the finals against LAL? Can KG with Big Baby/Shaq/JO get it done? They're still big but Shaq and JO are old and broken.

I guess I don't think of Kendrick Perkins as a player that makes the difference between beating the Lakers or not. In the East, he could become a liability especially if he is not 100%. He did address a need for OKC, but to debate this from Boston's side, they should feel better adding a versatile 3 to their bench then sending out Perkins just in case they have to match up with Bynum.

I agree that Green's not a defender who can lock down LeBron, Melo and the other wings in the East, but he is versatile overall and addresses a position off the bench that they did not have a significant player in before.

It looks like Jeff Green is now the youngest player on the Celtics roster other than Avery Bradley.

 

[Run BJM]

They certainly needed a guy like Green off the bench. I just get queasy when I see teams trade big for small. And a starting C, perhaps the best defensive C in the league, for a backup combo forward.

 

[Road Blocker]

It is scary though, and I am interested in the impact Kendrick Perkins will have on OKC. I heard the ESPN guys say they thought it made them as good as anyone, I think that is a stretch.

Also looking at how badly the Celtics got beat on the boards tonight makes me rethink it a little.

 

[Rhal]

Perkins is a great defensive player that OKC lacked, the trade makes sense for them the strange thing is the reason why Boston would give up there best Defensive big for Green. I think it has more to do with no backup at the 3 position and they see him being able to be a productive player there. Can the C's turn Greens willy nilly defense into something that can stop some of the best 3's in the league? Or do they think he can already do that but he was just playing out of position at the 4.
I have no clue I can't come up with anyway this makes any sense for the C unless they expect Pierce is not going to be fully healthy.

 

[Natebishop3]

I think Green is a pretty good player. He was playing out of position in OKC. Dude isn't a power forward.

 

[craigehlo]

Perkins came from a Celtics system that makes Big Baby Davis look good. I also doubt that the Celtics would have done the deal had they been confident he was going to return to his pre-knee injury production anytime soon He's a solid player, but not a massive upgrade over Krstic that the media seems to think. OKC can have fun paying him the $60 million for his average production.

 

[44Thrilla]

wow, some of you overrate perkins. he is just another example of a guy that looks good next to kg, along with olawakandi and nesterovic. when kg is out, bostons defense suffers, and it shows in the stats. perkins has been out all year pretty much and the defense hasn't skipped a beat. and that's with Shaq and jermaine missing a ton of time. I loved him because he could guard Dwight well, but aside from that, I think he is barely average.

 

[Ed O]

The deal struck me as a way to get value for Green, whom they won't be able to afford.

I like the deal for the Celtics.

Ed O.

 

[RoyToy]

I don't think people actually thought Olowokandi and Nesterovic looked good next to KG.

Perkins is a good rebounder, good man defender and a decent shot blocker. He's a healthy Joel Przybilla but he can actually score just a tad. Boston is going to miss him big time.

Long term it's probably a better deal for the Celtics, though. This season it hurts them imo.

 

[Minstrel]

I think it was a trade of slightly below average player for average player with health concerns. The average player Oklahoma City got is a better fit in terms of roster balance than the slightly below average one they sent.

Boston gets a healthier player who's approximately as productive but not as good on defense. Green should be a decent reserve for them.

 

[MickZagger]

Some of you are massively overrating Perkins. He's a good 5th or 6th option on a team and can play good defense. But, Jeff Green right now, is better than Perkins will ever be.

 

[RR7]

Jeff Green is a better scorer. And Perkins is a better defender. And for a team like OKC, I think Perkins' D is more valuable.

 

[e_blazer]

Perkins is a wide body who can defend and bang the boards. I'm not a huge Perkins fan, but the rest of their team is pretty great so he may be enough to push them into elite status. He's coming off of knee surgery and has an expiring contract, so it remains to be seen whether he's their long term solution at center.

 

[44Thrilla]

I don't think people actually thought Olowokandi and Nesterovic looked good next to KG.

Perkins is a good rebounder, good man defender and a decent shot blocker. He's a healthy Joel Przybilla but he can actually score just a tad. Boston is going to miss him big time.

Long term it's probably a better deal for the Celtics, though. This season it hurts them imo.

Could be right about Kandi, but the Spurs gave Nesterovic 45 million after playing alongside KG.

Also, what makes you think Perkins is a good rebounder? Cause he's not.

 

[Minstrel]

Some of you are massively overrating Perkins. He's a good 5th or 6th option on a team and can play good defense. But, Jeff Green right now, is better than Perkins will ever be.

They have similar production. Green is not a particularly efficient scorer. And I don't think anyone believes that Green is as much a defensive presence as Perkins (not that Perkins is a dominant one, or any such thing).

Of course, Perkins has knee concerns while Green doesn't. All in all, it seems like a pretty fair swap.

 

[agoo]

You can put Perkins on Dwight Howard for 30 minutes, not have to double team, and not get torched for 40 points. I'm not sure there are many other guys in the league that you can say that for. He can also rebound at will against Miami's front court, neutralize Carlos Boozer, and whoop whoever the Knicks have next to Amare up front. He's also the guy who guards Bynum when he's in and shoves Gasol around when Bynum sits. He's also the guy who would keep Blair and McDyess down while KG guards Duncan.

Shaq simply isn't that guy. Jermaine O'Neal probably won't be playing again this season. Troy Murphy or any other buy out guy can't do what Perk does. I have no clue what so ever what Danny Ainge was thinking with this deal. Neither do Garnett and Paul Pierce. At times, the Perk looks good because of the overall defense. Other times, the over all defense looks good because of Perk. He's much more than some 15 PER guy.

Additionally, the window is closing. The Celtics have this year and next year before its all over. Perkins was a big part of this group and the deal just does not compute.

 

[HailBlazers]

I see what your saying agoo. PER definitely does not tell the whole story.

Ainge was thinking that he wouldn't be able to pay or resign Perk after this year, might as well get something for him now. And I guess that Shaq would do enough to fill in for him on the defensive side of things and that Green would be an upgrade offensively Plus the long term.

 

[RoyToy]

Could be right about Kandi, but the Spurs gave Nesterovic 45 million after playing alongside KG.

Also, what makes you think Perkins is a good rebounder? Cause he's not.

Teams make mistakes and he didn't finish his contract there.

Also, Perkins averages 8 rebounds in 26min a game. That's not a bad rate at all. Per 36 he would average 11.2 a game. Again, not bad at all and I would call it good.

 

[MickZagger]

You can put Perkins on Dwight Howard for 30 minutes, not have to double team, and not get torched for 40 points. I'm not sure there are many other guys in the league that you can say that for. He can also rebound at will against Miami's front court, neutralize Carlos Boozer, and whoop whoever the Knicks have next to Amare up front. He's also the guy who guards Bynum when he's in and shoves Gasol around when Bynum sits. He's also the guy who would keep Blair and McDyess down while KG guards Duncan.

Shaq simply isn't that guy. Jermaine O'Neal probably won't be playing again this season. Troy Murphy or any other buy out guy can't do what Perk does. I have no clue what so ever what Danny Ainge was thinking with this deal. Neither do Garnett and Paul Pierce. At times, the Perk looks good because of the overall defense. Other times, the over all defense looks good because of Perk. He's much more than some 15 PER guy.

Additionally, the window is closing. The Celtics have this year and next year before its all over. Perkins was a big part of this group and the deal just does not compute.

There are many guys in the league you can say that for because Howard doesn't average anywhere around 40. How many 40 point games has he had this year?

 

[MickZagger]

Jeff Green is a better scorer. And Perkins is a better defender. And for a team like OKC, I think Perkins' D is more valuable.

Without a doubt. I think it was a fair trade. I think it feels each teams needs, but to act like it was robbery is not even close to the case.

 

[44Thrilla]

What Perkins gives you on defense is usually negated on offense. You don't have to guard him so you allow the other team a free help defender in the lane.

 

[44Thrilla]

Teams make mistakes and he didn't finish his contract there.

Also, Perkins averages 8 rebounds in 26min a game. That's not a bad rate at all. Per 36 he would average 11.2 a game. Again, not bad at all and I would call it good.

Considering his size and the type of player he is, his numbers are terrible.

PS- nice 12 game sample size you're using there...

 

[RoyToy]

Considering his size and the type of player he is, that's terrible.

Do you have any numbers that back that up? I'd like to see them so maybe I could understand your position better.

 

[B-Roy]

There are many guys in the league you can say that for because Howard doesn't average anywhere around 40. How many 40 point games has he had this year?

It was a hyperbole...