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It's pretty crazy to think that the Civil War could decide who goes to the Rose Bowl. I might be repeating myself a few times in this post, so forgive me. And someone please correct me if I got this wrong.

If Oregon wins today (which I think they will), that means OSU is 6-1, UO is 6-2, and UA is 4-3. That basically
eliminates UA from the RB, I believe. They would have 3 losses, and for them to make it the Beavers would have to go 0-2 over the next two weeks. However, if the Beavers went 0-2 (and UO wins tonight), UO would then go to the RB (I think) with a record of 7-2 in the Pac-10.

If Arizona wants to go to the RB, they have to win out starting today. They need to beat UO, OSU and ASU (and therefore be 7-2). But if they lose to UO, they can't make it. They would be, at best, 6-3. And if they lose to Oregon, Oregon holds the tie-breaker with UA and therefore goes to the RB.

If UO wins tonight, and if OSU loses next week, OSU can still make it to the RB by beating the Ducks the following week.


Right?

There is always the wrench that if OSU loses both games, that USC (if they lose to Stanford) could make it because they didn't get an invite to a BCS game.

I think.

Did I get this right?
 
OSU won't go to the Rose Bowl if they lose another game unless USC also loses another game.
 
oregon has no chance to goto the rose bowl unless they beat osu au and usc loses to stanford or ucla
 
tlongII said:
OSU won't go to the Rose Bowl if they lose another game unless USC also loses another game.
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I think USC is going to a BCS game though.
 
julius said:
I think USC is going to a BCS game though.
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The Rose Bowl is a BCS game. The only way USC would not go to the Rose Bowl if they win the Pac-10 would be if they were playing in the National Championship game.
 
tlongII said:
The Rose Bowl is a BCS game. The only way USC would not go to the Rose Bowl if they win the Pac-10 would be if they were playing in the National Championship game.
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Correct. Rose Bowl gets dibs on the top Pac-10 team, unless they're in the Championship game. However, if the Beavs win out then USC could go to a different BCS bowl because the Rose Bowl spot is taken by OSU.

But for the Ducks to make it, USC has to either lose or go to the national championship, neither likely seeing as how UCLA is their next opponent, but crazier things have happened.
 
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ehizzy3 said:
oregon has no chance to goto the rose bowl unless they beat osu au and usc loses to stanford or ucla
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From the Beavers own website

"Because Oregon State defeated then-No. 1 USC 27-21 on Sept 21, the Beavers hold the tiebreaker for a Rose Bowl berth should both teams win out. Oregon State visits Arizona next weekend before hosting Oregon in the Civil War rivalry game."

All they need to do to go to the RB is win out
 
Webster's Dictionary said:
But for the Ducks to make it, USC has to either lose or go to the national championship, neither likely seeing as how UCLA is their next opponent, but crazier things have happened.
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Actually, now that I think about it if USC loses to UCLA, and OSU beats Arizona but loses to the Ducks, then I'm not sure what would happen because all three would be tied with 2 Pac-10 losses. Oregon State would hold the tie breaker over USC. USC would hold the tie breaker over the Ducks, and the Ducks would hold the tie breaker over the Beavers. So who would go then? I would guess at that point the Rose Bowl gets to choose, and obviously they'd chose USC.
 
Webster's Dictionary said:
Actually, now that I think about it if USC loses to UCLA, and OSU beats Arizona but loses to the Ducks, then I'm not sure what would happen because all three would be tied with 2 Pac-10 losses. Oregon State would hold the tie breaker over USC. USC would hold the tie breaker over the Ducks, and the Ducks would hold the tie breaker over the Beavers. So who would go then? I would guess at that point the Rose Bowl gets to choose, and obviously they'd chose USC.
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That would be a predicament.
 
Actually, now that I think about it if USC loses to UCLA, and OSU beats Arizona but loses to the Ducks, then I'm not sure what would happen because all three would be tied with 2 Pac-10 losses. Oregon State would hold the tie breaker over USC. USC would hold the tie breaker over the Ducks, and the Ducks would hold the tie breaker over the Beavers. So who would go then? I would guess at that point the Rose Bowl gets to choose, and obviously they'd chose USC.
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LOL! That would be awesome.

either way, i'm REALLY proud of this state right now! Oregon, OS, and the Blazers are badass!

The only 2 sports I REALLY care about are Blazers BBall (NBA) and Ducks Football (NCAA Football)... so it was a great Saturday!

Our state is being repped well... and I don't really see a lot of "We are better than you because we beat them and you didn't!" "Well we beat them and you didn't! And we beat them by more!" etc... its a really fun time in sports right now!

Go Ducks! Go Blazers! Go Beavs! (except in the civil war)

Oregon is 22 in the coaches (only one that matters from the AP/Coaches) and OS is 21! And then Oregon is 24 in the AP and OS is 21 again (this one doesn't matter though)... can't wait til the BCS ratings come out! Would this be the first week OS is ranked in the BCS? Ya'll weren't ranked last week were you?
 
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MrJayremmie said:
LOL! That would be awesome.

either way, i'm REALLY proud of this state right now! Oregon, OS, and the Blazers are badass!

The only 2 sports I REALLY care about are Blazers BBall (NBA) and Ducks Football (NCAA Football)... so it was a great Saturday!

Our state is being repped well... and I don't really see a lot of "We are better than you because we beat them and you didn't!" "Well we beat them and you didn't! And we beat them by more!" etc... its a really fun time in sports right now!

Go Ducks! Go Blazers! Go Beavs! (except in the civil war)

Oregon is 22 in the coaches (only one that matters from the AP/Coaches) and OS is 21! And then Oregon is 24 in the AP and OS is 21 again (this one doesn't matter though)... can't wait til the BCS ratings come out! Would this be the first week OS is ranked in the BCS? Ya'll weren't ranked last week were you?
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We beat USC and you didn't:ohno:
 
If OSU beats UO, thats when they can say "they're better than you". Same with UO.
 
Cal was the tougher opponent which the Beavers took care of. If the Beavers don't back down they will take care of Arizona next week.
 
If we were to get to a three way tie between USC, OSU and UO AND each of those teams had won one and lost one against the other first place teams, I'm pretty sure the next tiebreaker is longest time since last appearance, which would give OSU the nod. A big grain of salt with that because the tiebreaker might've changed and my memory might be wrong about the rule.
 
I think Mobes is right. Longest time since last appearance. In the Big 12, iirc it's highest ranked.
 
MrJayremmie said:
LOL! That would be awesome.

either way, i'm REALLY proud of this state right now! Oregon, OS, and the Blazers are badass!

The only 2 sports I REALLY care about are Blazers BBall (NBA) and Ducks Football (NCAA Football)... so it was a great Saturday!

Our state is being repped well... and I don't really see a lot of "We are better than you because we beat them and you didn't!" "Well we beat them and you didn't! And we beat them by more!" etc... its a really fun time in sports right now!

Go Ducks! Go Blazers! Go Beavs! (except in the civil war)

Oregon is 22 in the coaches (only one that matters from the AP/Coaches) and OS is 21! And then Oregon is 24 in the AP and OS is 21 again (this one doesn't matter though)... can't wait til the BCS ratings come out! Would this be the first week OS is ranked in the BCS? Ya'll weren't ranked last week were you?
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Contrasting with the state of Washington...(and I went to Navy, so I don't have a dawg in the fight):

UW: 0-10, and yet the last line I saw for the Apple Cup with WSU (1-10) showed the Huskies as 8.5 point favorites. The Huskies are being outscored an average of 28-9 this year...which is better than the 40-5 average WSU's giving up. Oh yeah, Ty Willingham's already been fired, but sticking around as a lame duck.

Seahawks: 2-7 and just got their quarterback back...but he has "Back and knee issues" and most of the WRs are hurt. Holmgren's retiring. They can't run the ball. Tough times.

Mariners: Worst record in the AL but can't even get the #1 draft pick in the next draft (thank you, Nationals!)
Had Richie Sexson, Jose Vidro, Miguel Cairo prominently involved in the offense.

OKC: We won't go there.
 
As a native Oregonian and fan of both teams, I'm very excited about the Civil War this year.

For the Ducks, this is such a dangerous team, and unlike last year, they're very healthy coming into the CW this year. Despite the second half collapse, the win over Arizona was huge. Also, there has been an aura of revenge surrounding this team...they beat the Wildcats who had won 2 straight against em, they almost beat Cal in the swimming pool (errr Memorial Stadium) and now they get a bye week to rest and prepare for the CW.

On the Beavs side, the win over Cal was big and should give u them confidence, but- I can't stress this enough- look out for 'zona. Thanks to your pals down the road, the Wildcats are angry and fired up (as indicated here) and are NOT going to want to drop two in a row to both Oregon teams. I expect Arizona will play some very good football, the tough Arizona crowd will be deafening, and the Beavs will have to fight hard to win this game. Oregon will not be easy either. Beavs want the Rose Bowl, but they're really going to have to earn it, as they have two *very* difficult games ahead of them if you ask me.
 
However the last three home meetings against Oregon State they have lost. Both in 2001 and 2002 Arizona lost by the same score 38-3 at Oregon state. Arizona's last 29-27 win was in 2005 at OSU when that team (OSU) had a losing season.

Home Loss:
Nov 9, 2000 Lose 33 - 9 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores100/100316/100316426.htm)
Oct 30, 2004 Lose 28 - 14
Oct 21 2006 Lose 17 - 10

I think OSU will win by at least a touchdown.
 
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On the Beavs side, the win over Cal was big and should give u them confidence, but- I can't stress this enough- look out for 'zona. Thanks to your pals down the road, the Wildcats are angry and fired up (as indicated here) and are NOT going to want to drop two in a row to both Oregon teams. I expect Arizona will play some very good football, the tough Arizona crowd will be deafening, and the Beavs will have to fight hard to win this game.
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I'm not really worried about Arizona being fired up, and angry. The Beavs have some pretty strong motivation on their side and have even more to play for, so they should come out hard.

That said, the Arizona game worries me, and it is going to be a tough, tough game.
 
For once, the Ducks get to lay low in the weeds while OSU keeps hearing how good they are, how close they are, etc. They got to play at Tuscon on Senior Night. They don't play well on the road and mobile quarterbacks give them fits. I'd be surprised if they outlast the Cats, while the Ducks get a nice bye week, and you do not want to give Chip Kelly a bye week.
 
I'm worried about the Arizona game, but I think the Beavs have a couple things in their favor.

1) Moevao played the entire game against Cal so he should have shaken any rust he had off from sitting out a couple games.

2) The Rodgers brothers just inspire me with so much confidence. They are so well grounded that you just know they will have the team prepared through their leadership on the practice field.
 
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MAS RipCity said:
They got to play at Tuscon on Senior Night. They don't play well on the road and mobile quarterbacks give them fits.
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Actually MasRipcity if you take a look at the last 4 ROAD games (not bowl) for the Beavers the past three seasons the statistics prove you that they have fared better in the second half of their schedule.

2005 2 wins 2 losses (Oct 22 against #8 UCLA 51-28, Nov 19 against #10 Oregon 56-14)
2006 3 wins 1 loss (Nov 11 against UCLA 35 -7 )
2007 3 wins 1 loss (Nov 3 against USC 24-3)

Quizz and his brother are on high gear right now and I doubt Arizona has a plan to stump both of these.
 
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