OT: Pacers quietly shopping Hibbert

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julius said:
Hibbert is another in the long line of "grass is greener" players in Portland fan-lore.
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But he was a legitimate star up until the second half of last season. Don't you think that's strange? Something happened on that team, and Hibbert wasn't the only one affected. The whole team crumbled. They barely got past the Hawks. They barely got past the Wizards. There was a serious meltdown somewhere around the All-Star break, and Hibbert was the most obvious casualty of that.

I think he needs a change of scenery.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You know, I still think Hibbert is more valuable to a team in the playoffs than Lopez and Kaman combined (I know I shouldn't think that though)

Would it make any sense to find a way to bring him in as a starting center and then find a way to replace Matthews next season in FA?

I assume we'd include him for salary reasons? Would Lopez and Matthews plus filler even work? If deemed a favorable trade by those of you more.......sentimental towards the team than me
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Imagine how much Aldridge helped Lopez propel into a good center. Now add Hibbert and something very special could happen.

Do what ever it takes to get Hibbert. I don't give a shit how badly he played in the playoffs. The dude would be a beast!
 
magnifier661 said:
Imagine how much Aldridge helped Lopez propel into a good center. Now add Hibbert and something very special could happen.

Do what ever it takes to get Hibbert. I don't give a shit how badly he played in the playoffs. The dude would be a beast!
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Plus, sometimes you have to roll the dice to win big.

Look at the Bulls with Dennis Rodman. The guy was a huge headcase, but they banked on Jordan, Pippen, and Phil reigning him in. It paid off.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Plus, sometimes you have to roll the dice to win big.

Look at the Bulls with Dennis Rodman. The guy was a huge headcase, but they banked on Jordan, Pippen, and Phil reigning him in. It paid off.
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There is no dice rolling with hibbert. He's a stud.
 
I think Hibbert would fit well here with the whole "us against the world"/underdogs mentality.

Lots of teams would take a risk on him, but if they want to send him west I'm not sure who we'd be up against.

The suns, lots of assets/draft picks, but can't send Indiana a proficient big for their current window.

Mavs could send Chandler, but Lopez is probably on par/better and a more long-term fit for them.

Oklahoma City wouldn't give up Ibaka, even though KD & Hibbert would be nasty.

Warriors - probably the biggest competition if they want to give up Bogut, but he is on the older side and injury prone.

Lakers - nothing to give up and they shouldn't stay bad too long, their draft picks will never be worth much.

Clippers - Maybe a Deandre Jordan swap would make sense, but Hibbert definitely would slow them down. Doc also loves Jordan supposedly.

Kings - not sure they want to trade one head case for another. Boogie can score though.

Honestly, I think a Lopez & Freeland or Wright & 1st is as good as they can get at this point. And it would clear plenty of room for them to sign Stephensen.
 
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He's going to be way out of our price range. Would have to blow up ship
 
Natebishop3 said:
Plus, sometimes you have to roll the dice to win big.
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Totally agree. You take a chance he shifts back to being the best defensive center in basketball. It's not a HUGE risk. I really like rolo. Mentioned him a ton last offseason as a target, but I think Hibbert would give us that enough of an upgrade to make us contenders, IMO.
 
Fonz:
How do you figure? What is Indiana really going to get for him? I don't think any teams will send stars and they aren't going to want projects b/c they're in win-now mode. The best I could see is getting Bogut from the Warriors.
 
RR7 said:
Indiana needs to shed some $$ in order to bring back Stephenson for slightly more than what they initially offered. They're already at the tax, or slightly over, and because they used their MLE, are hard capped at 81 million, so they don't have much room to maneuver on his deal.
I've thrown this deal out there quite a few times, but Lopez, Freeland and Crabbe saves them 4.89 million on next year's salary, which gives them enough space to bring Stephenson back. They lose Hibbert, but get a solid replacement for him in Lopez. We can swap out Wright for Freeland, which costs them about 100K, but maybe fits better for their roster, as they already have Mahinmi, Copeland, West and Scola up front, so less of a need for Freeland.
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This is a pretty solid proposal. I'd be in favor of it, if it were available. The Pacers have to find a way to keep their general dynamic alive while still picking up a bit of flexibility and simply paying all of their starting five huge salaries locks them into "good enough to top out in the ECF until better competition comes along." That's not a great tag line for an era.

Obviously, Rolo doesn't push them higher, but it's the kind of decent creative move that could enable further creative moves.
 
Minstrel said:
it's the kind of decent creative move that could enable further creative moves.
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We were talking in another thread about how uncreative Olshey has been in his 2 years here.
 
He openly bitched about teammates to the media.

MUCH rather peruse Greg Monroe.
 
Monroe's a better player but Hibbert's a rare traditional center. Whitsitt would have gotten us both.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
He openly bitched about teammates to the media.
MUCH rather peruse Greg Monroe.
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Hibbert is a total game-changer on defense, and that's more valuable than Monroe's (admittedly sweet) low-post offense.

Hibbert bitched about teammates because they deserved it. When other people do it it's called "calling them out".

HOWEVER: the point is moot. I wouldn't want to give up any starter (other than POSSIBLY Wes, but I have a feeling we'd miss him more than we might expect) and that ain't going to get it done. Were this a real possibility I guess Olshey might think: "I only got Lopez because we couldn't get Hibbert, so the fans will be on board, right?" and then discover how wrong he was.
 
Roy Hibbert

You mean the player I said was overrated 2 years ago and wasn't worth the MAX?

And now we're here like 2 years later and he hasn't lived up to his contract and the Pacers want to deal him.

Not.

Surprised.
 
He added that Indiana’s preference would be to send Hibbert to the Western Conference. Portland originally gave Hibbert his max offer, and the Blazers have been intermittently linked to Hibbert. But the Blazers are focused on keeping star power forward LaMarcus Aldridge with a contract extension and making smaller tweaks to their bench. A source labeled a Portland deal, “unlikely.” Sporting News

Rumor makes it sound like it would take LA to get a deal done. I think a lot of teams would offer more than Rolo and Wes. If Indy would do it, talk about a hard one to swallow, 2 fan favorites in Rolo and Wes
 
With Hibbert devalued into a bargain, I wish Olshey would look at it seriously, but I don't think he's creative enough.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
He added that Indiana’s preference would be to send Hibbert to the Western Conference. Portland originally gave Hibbert his max offer, and the Blazers have been intermittently linked to Hibbert. But the Blazers are focused on keeping star power forward LaMarcus Aldridge with a contract extension and making smaller tweaks to their bench. A source labeled a Portland deal, “unlikely.” Sporting News

Rumor makes it sound like it would take LA to get a deal done. I think a lot of teams would offer more than Rolo and Wes. If Indy would do it, talk about a hard one to swallow, 2 fan favorites in Rolo and Wes
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I just don't see it without losing one or both of them, though. And if that's the case, then no. If our bench was further along and we could replace Wes at SG I might think about it... but we don't. And we still have a hole at backup PG to fill for the BAE. It'd be horrible for us. Not that Wes is the end all be all... but the downgrade at that position, not only just in PPG or whatnot, but the outright hustle and knowing you'll have your starting SG almost every game... you can't make that up with the BAE without sacrificing elsewhere. If I were Olshey, I wouldn't do it... we don't have enough behind the starting 5 to warrant any of it.
 
jlprk said:
With Hibbert devalued into a bargain, I wish Olshey would look at it seriously, but I don't think he's creative enough.
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What would be creative enough? It's one thing to say someone can't be creative, it's another to propose ideas to help or at least back up that you can't think someone can do it.
 
I would definitely try to acquire Hibbert. Give up some of our young guys or multiple unprotected picks. But I wouldn't trade Lopez or a starter for him. Hibbert doesn't have the ability to play more than 28mpg due to his asthma do we need to pair him with a big minute center. Robin would be a perfect tag team. There's too much risk with Hibbert decline last season to have him as your only starting option.
 
Draco said:
I would definitely try to acquire Hibbert. Give up some of our young guys or multiple unprotected picks. But I wouldn't trade Lopez or a starter for him. Hibbert doesn't have the ability to play more than 28mpg due to his asthma do we need to pair him with a big minute center. Robin would be a perfect tag team. There's too much risk with Hibbert decline last season to have him as your only starting option.
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What picks do we have? And Indy will want a starter...
 
Strenuus said:
What picks do we have? And Indy will want a starter...
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We can trade up to 4 first round picks in the next 7 years. If they want a starter a deal doesn't get done. I'd aim to send our picks and bench players to a rebuilding third team with a starter going to Indy
 
Our starting five was so awesome I want to see how good it is to start next season. The group made a ton of improvement from two years ago to last year. I want to see what kind of improvement it makes over this summer. Neil, don't break up our starters under any circumstance!
 
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