OT - Raymond Felton arrested on gun charges

[rasheedfan2005]

gun-nut hubby? Because he had a gun he's a nut? Fuck new York media, Raymond felon was good though

 

[Natebishop3]

She's a lawyer.

The whole thing just sounds extremely sketchy to me.

 

[Sedatedfork]

armor piercing bullets too?? hmm... yeah that ain't good.

 

[PapaG]

She's a lawyer.

The whole thing just sounds extremely sketchy to me.

What's so sketchy about it? It's an unregistered gun. Clearly it's been attached to Felton, since he's been arraigned. She couldn't just go get a random gun, have a lawyer bring it to the cops, and say "it's RayRay's!" It doesn't work that way. People obviously knew about Felton's gun, and he was dumb enough to keep it as the home of the woman he is divorcing. If the gun was planted, then his lawyers would already be denying it. I'm sure quite a few people knew about the gun, and unless he could buy them all off, their testimony is going to put him away.

 

[PapaG]

I don't mind that Felton has a gun, btw. It's his fault for living in NYC, a place where only criminals and cops are allowed to have guns.

 

[Natebishop3]

What's so sketchy about it? It's an unregistered gun. Clearly it's been attached to Felton, since he's been arraigned. She couldn't just go get a random gun, have a lawyer bring it to the cops, and say "it's RayRay's!" It doesn't work that way. People obviously knew about Felton's gun, and he was dumb enough to keep it as the home of the woman he is divorcing. If the gun was planted, then his lawyers would already be denying it. I'm sure quite a few people knew about the gun, and unless he could buy them all off, their testimony is going to put him away.

I guess I just find it wrong for a spouse to use things like this to gain leverage in a divorce, which is what I think she's attempting to do.

 

[Boob-No-More]

gun-nut hubby? Because he had a gun he's a nut?

No, he's a nut because he (allegedly) had an unregistered weapon in a city/state with strict gun control laws. If true, that doesn't just make him a nut, it makes him a fucking idiot. If the other allegations are true (not saying they are, that's for a judge and jury to decide), he's a total fucking moron. Regardless of your stance on gun control laws, waving around a loaded weapon is pretty fucking irresponsible.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't mind that Felton has a gun, btw. It's his fault for living in NYC, a place where only criminals and cops are allowed to have guns.

Well, if the allegations are true, then he falls into the criminal category by definition.
BNM

 

[PapaG]

Well, if the allegations are true, then he falls into the criminal category by definition.
BNM

That was kind of the point, but yeah. He's a criminal in NYC for owning a gun. That's an entirely different argument, though.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, if the allegations are true, then he falls into the criminal category by definition.
BNM

Didn't the supreme court strike down the handgun laws in Washington DC as unconstitutional?

 

[Boob-No-More]

That was kind of the point, but yeah. He's a criminal in NYC for owning a gun. That's an entirely different argument, though.

No, he's not a criminal for owning a gun, he's a criminal for possessing an unregistered gun.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Didn't the supreme court strike down the handgun laws in Washington DC as unconstitutional?

I think it's asinine that he can't own an unregistered semi-auto handgun in NYC. How that hasn't been struck down in court shows how fucked up the courts are, IMO. But, it's the law, and he chose to live there.

 

[PapaG]

No, he's not a criminal for owning a gun, he's a criminal for possessing an unregistered gun.

BNM

Which brings up the entire idea of having to register semi-automatic guns, no matter when they were purchased. There are already numerous challenges to this law.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, I'm not going to fault a guy for doing something that is legal in the majority of the states in this country.

He broke their law. Not my law.

 

[PapaG]

Well, I'm not going to fault a guy for doing something that is legal in the majority of the states in this country.

He broke their law. Not my law.

That's kind of how I feel. Plus, I can't stand Felton, so I'll just point my finger at him and call him an idiot for not registering his gun, even though I'm anti-registration.

 

[Natebishop3]

That's kind of how I feel. Plus, I can't stand Felton, so I'll just point my finger at him and call him an idiot for not registering his gun, even though I'm anti-registration.

I'm not going to lie, I'm extremely biased about this because I think the wife is being disingenuous.

I have a really good friend who was fucked over by his wife so she could gain leverage in a custody battle. I have seen first hand what people are willing to do when they're getting a divorce.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Didn't the supreme court strike down the handgun laws in Washington DC as unconstitutional?

I have no idea, but what does that have to do with Raymond Felton and New York State? State's have rights to enact gun control (and other) laws. Its called State's Rights and was originally suggested in the Constitution, and further clarified in the 10th Amendment. The District of Columbia is not a state. Therefore, State's Rights do not apply. The law on the books in the state of New York required Felton's gun to be registered. It was not. He broke the law.

BTW, his wife and the prosecuting attorney decided not to push for the tougher second degree criminal possession charge (mandatory 3 1/2 prison time if convicted) and decided to go for second degree felony possession, which is much less likely to lead to prison time for Felton (much to the chagrin of Knicks fans). Supposedly this is because it would come down to his word against hers if he actually pointed the gun at her. The felony possession charge only requires proof that he had an unregistered gun in his possession. Supposedly others are aware that Felton owned the gun and had it in his possession in the state of New York. There is also proof that he purchased the gun, with that serial number, matching that description in North Carolina. So, even without his estranged wife's testimony, there is ample evidence to get a conviction on the lesser charges.

In the end, I suspect there will be some kind of plea bargain reached that will involve probation, a fine and community service in lieu of prison time.

BNM

 

[RR7]

I'm not going to lie, I'm extremely biased about this because I had to watch that fat piece of shit play PG for us for a year.

Also love how the NY Post has the picture of the gun pointing at Felton.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not going to lie, I'm extremely biased about this because I think the wife is being disingenuous.

I have a really good friend who was fucked over by his wife so she could gain leverage in a custody battle. I have seen first hand what people are willing to do when they're getting a divorce.

Felton and his wife don't have any kids. So, she isn't doing this to gain leverage in a custody battle. Unless Felton is a REAL idiot without a single competent financial adviser, I suspect there is also a prenup that protects his millions. Perhaps, just maybe, his wife is actually afraid for her safety. You think maybe that is a possibility? An angry spouse waving around a semi-automatic weapon loaded with 18 rounds of armour piercing bullets, including one in the chamber, would tend to make most sane people fear for their personal safety. Maybe, just maybe, survival, not leverage, was her motive.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Felton and his wife don't have any kids. So, she isn't doing this to gain leverage in a custody battle. Unless Felton is a REAL idiot without a single competent financial adviser, I suspect there is also a prenup that protects his millions. Perhaps, just maybe, his wife is actually afraid for her safety. You think maybe that is a possibility? An angry spouse waving around a semi-automatic weapon loaded with 18 rounds of armour piercing bullets, including one in the chamber, would tend to make most sane people fear for their personal safety. Maybe, just maybe, survival, not leverage, was her motive.

BNM

Where is the proof that he actually waived around the gun? Did he admit to it?

Armor piercing bullets... oh no.... woopadeedoo! I have defensive rounds in my handgun. Why does the type of ammo concern you?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

No, he's a nut because he (allegedly) had an unregistered weapon in a city/state with strict gun control laws. If true, that doesn't just make him a nut, it makes him a fucking idiot. If the other allegations are true (not saying they are, that's for a judge and jury to decide), he's a total fucking moron. Regardless of your stance on gun control laws, waving around a loaded weapon is pretty fucking irresponsible

BNM

some laws should be broken, new York's unconstitutional gun laws are one. Waiving the weapon around is idiotic, however that is just an accusation.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Felton and his wife don't have any kids. So, she isn't doing this to gain leverage in a custody battle. Unless Felton is a REAL idiot without a single competent financial adviser, I suspect there is also a prenup that protects his millions. Perhaps, just maybe, his wife is actually afraid for her safety. You think maybe that is a possibility? An angry spouse waving around a semi-automatic weapon loaded with 18 rounds of armour piercing bullets, including one in the chamber, would tend to make most sane people fear for their personal safety. Maybe, just maybe, survival, not leverage, was her motive.

BNM

IF he was waiving it around like a drunken moron you have a case, all your other points are moot. Of course there is one in the chamber, what the fuck use in a gun without bullets? Am I a felon because I keep a loaded 9mm with hollow points and a 12ga with slugs and buck shot loaded in my house? Well I suppose it would in new York, which is a major reason I won't even drive through that shit hole.

 

[Reep]

I have no idea, but what does that have to do with Raymond Felton and New York State? State's have rights to enact gun control (and other) laws. Its called State's Rights and was originally suggested in the Constitution, and further clarified in the 10th Amendment.

Keep up with the news. The President got rid of State's Rights by Executive Order.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Where is the proof that he actually waived around the gun? Did he admit to it?

I have no idea. I'm not an eye witness. Perhaps that's why they aren't going for the second degree criminal possession charge with the mandatory 3.5 year minimum sentence. He allegedly waved the gun around on 4 different occasions. Perhaps there was an eye witness. Perhaps he confided, or bragged to someone about his macho behavior. I have no idea, and neither do you. Just like you have no proof that she' doing this to gain leverage in her divorce proceedings. I already stated they don't have kids, and if there is a prenup, what leverage is she trying to gain? What proof do you have, beyond you own biased suspicions.

Armor piercing bullets... oh no.... woopadeedoo! I have defensive rounds in my handgun. Why does the type of ammo concern you?

If someone was waving around a semi-automatic weapon loaded with armor piercing bullets in my presence, it would concern me that even if I was wearing a bullet proof vest it wouldn't protect me.

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

I have no idea. I'm not an eye witness. Perhaps that's why they aren't going for the second degree criminal possession charge with the mandatory 3.5 year minimum sentence. He allegedly waved the gun around on 4 different occasions. Perhaps there was an eye witness. Perhaps he confided, or bragged to someone about his macho behavior. I have no idea, and neither do you. Just like you have no proof that she' doing this to gain leverage in her divorce proceedings. I already stated they don't have kids, and if there is a prenup, what leverage is she trying to gain? What proof do you have, beyond you own biased suspicions.

If someone was waving around a semi-automatic weapon loaded with armor piercing bullets in my presence, it would concern me that even if I was wearing a bullet proof vest it wouldn't protect me.

BNM

I already said my opinion is biased. Something about her story doesn't add up. If she had called the police while he was in the process of waiving the gun around, or if there was a history of the police getting involved, I would be much more likely to believe her story at face value. There's just something fishy about her story. The way the gun was presented to the police. The way she's saying that he waived the gun around, but never directly at her. Something about the story bothers me.

Also, just so you know, a "bullet proof vest", otherwise known as Kevlar, would not protect you from a lot of things. Kevlar is extremely unreliable, which is why the military wears SAPI plates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Arms_Protective_Insert

 

[Boob-No-More]

some laws should be broken, new York's unconstitutional gun laws are one. Waiving the weapon around is idiotic, however that is just an accusation.

Breaking laws is usually not the most effective way to repeal them. There are other avenues to overturn unjust laws. If the law is really unconstitutional, overturning it should be a slam dunk.

And, I doubt that's what Felton was going for. Doesn't seem like he was trying to make a political statement. Do you really want that fat piece of shit as your poster boy for repealing New York's gun control laws? He cheated on his ex-wife (there are witnesses) and then when she asked for a divorce, he (allegedly) threatened her with a loaded semi-automatic weapon. This type of behavior is not going to help further your cause. His behavior, if the allegations are true, actually gives the pro gun control faction vindication that New York's gun control laws are necessary and effective in protecting the law abiding citizens of their state.

BNM

 

[VanillaGorilla]

"What he did is bad because it's against the law" is not a respectable opinion, in my opinion.

Calling Felton a criminal for this is criminal.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I already said my opinion is biased. Something about her story doesn't add up. If she had called the police while he was in the process of waiving the gun around, or if there was a history of the police getting involved, I would be much more likely to believe her story at face value. There's just something fishy about her story. The way the gun was presented to the police. The way she's saying that he waived the gun around, but never directly at her. Something about the story bothers me.

Well, if she was afraid for her life, the last thing she would probably do is call they police while he is threatening her with a loaded weapon. That could provoke him to actually pull the trigger. More likely, she was probably hopeful that they could work things out without getting the cops involved, but after the 4th time, had had enough. Even though they were estranged, they were still living in the same house and the weapon was present and (allegedly) loaded. She finally called her attorney and had him call the cops when Ray Ray was at a game and not an immediate threat to harm her. Perhaps that was the first time, since the 4th incident, that she felt safe enough to call the cops. I don't really understand your suspicions. They were fighting, getting a divorce and she didn't feel safe with that gun in their house. They called his attorney first and offered to deliver the gun to him and he declined. Calling the cops was not her first choicem but Felton's won attorney left he no other option for getting a loaded weapon out of the house. That doesn't sound fishy to me at all.

Just as you have seen a friend whose wife tried to manipulate the process to gain leverage in a child custody dispute, I've also seen the other side. I've seen many victims of domestic violence and physical abuse stay in horrible situations when any rational person would have called the police and pressed charges. Fear is often the reason they stay, but it can also be low self esteem or other issues (doing it for the children, financial dependence etc.).

Also, just so you know, a "bullet proof vest", otherwise known as Kevlar, would not protect you from a lot of things. Kevlar is extremely unreliable, which is why the military wears SAPI plates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Arms_Protective_Insert

Good to know. Now I'll know what to wear the next time I go to a Knicks game.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Keep up with the news. The President got rid of State's Rights by Executive Order.

Well then, it should be no problem repealing New York's "unconstitutional" gun laws.

BNM

 

[maxiep]

Hey . . . it was my fucking joke.

Then authorship rep!