OT: Rubio to stay in Spain for 2 years

[oldmangrouch]

Maybe this illustration willl help . . .

Pau Gasol was drafted by Memphis and went there.
Peja Stojakovic was drafted by Sacramento and went there.
Hedo Turkoglu was drafted by Sacramento and went there.
Tony Parker was drafted by San Antonio and went there.
Manu Ginobli was drafted by San Antonio and went there.
Yao Ming was drafted by Houston and went there.
Rudy Fernandez was drafted by Portland and went there.

None of these were "glamour destinations," and many were actually small markets, yet all of these foreign players went where they were drafted and were happy to get a chance to play in the NBA.

Is Rubio somehow more special than all of the guys above?

Fran Vazquez was drafted by the Magic, and stayed in Spain.
Tiago Splitter was drafted by the Spurs, and stayed in Spain.
Freeland was drafted by the Blazers, and stayed in Europe.
Sabonis was drafted by the Blazers, and stayed in Europe.

No offense - but what's your point? None of the players on either list had a moral or legal obligation to sign a contract with an NBA team. Some chose to do so, some didn't.

Serious question - did you dislike Dr J because he opted to play in the ABA? How about Mo Lucas? What's the difference?

 

[Shooter]

Fran Vazquez was drafted by the Magic, and stayed in Spain.
Tiago Splitter was drafted by the Spurs, and stayed in Spain.

Don't know much about these two. Were they good enough for the NBA, or did the Magic and Spurs draft them for the future?

Freeland was drafted by the Blazers, and stayed in Europe.

Stayed because we wanted him to. He wasn't ready for the NBA, but he was a "prospect."

Sabonis was drafted by the Blazers, and stayed in Europe.

Only because Sabonis himself was afraid he wasn't good enough to compete here. He has admitted this himself in interviews. It wasn't because he didn't like Portland, or didn't think he could make enough money here.

Serious question - did you dislike Dr J because he opted to play in the ABA? How about Mo Lucas? What's the difference?

That was a long time ago, and I don't recall the details. Did either one of them make themselves available for the NBA draft, come to New York in person for the event, and then decide to go somewhere else because they didn't like the team that drafted them?

 

[SnakeOiler]

I repeat: It wasn't the money, it was Minnesota!

Did Jordan say no way to the Bulls when he was drafted? No. Rubio is weak and he knows it, he is looking for hype payout.

If any of my employees come to me and says "I have a better opportunity elsewhere and I want more cash to stay", I say smell you later. No matter how valuable the employee, I don't want that person around. Its the apple that will spoil the rest.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Don't know much about these two. Were they good enough for the NBA, or did the Magic and Spurs draft them for the future?

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That was a long time ago, and I don't recall the details. Did either one of them make themselves available for the NBA draft, come to New York in person for the event, and then decide to go somewhere else because they didn't like the team that drafted them?

IIRC, Splitter and Vazques were both into their 20s when they were drafted. Splitter was once projected as a lotto pick, but fell to late in the round because of buy-out issues. Vazquez was drafted in the Lotto, and was projected to step right in and become the starting PF next to Howard. After the draft, he decided he was simply unwilling to either up-root his family, or come to the USA without them.


Dr J and Lucas were drafted by both the ABA and NBA. (Dozens of players were) At one point, you had 3 teams that claimed/thought they owned Dr J's rights.

The NBA/ABA signing wars were chaotic, dirty, and downright viscious. By today's standards, some of the stuff that went down was alomost unbelievable.

(ever hear the story about Oregon State player Lonnie Shelton and the ABA? )

 

[donkiez]

I think the real whiney bitches are in this thread. This decision by Rubio is just posturing and he will be in the NBA next year, there is no way DKV wants pay 6mil to their IRS out of their own pocket.

 

[Uther TheGardener]

Them Spaniards are whiny little bitches, no?

you should watch their soccer league barfca and cheesy madrid are much much worse!

 

[¹²³]

It looks like he is headed to Barcelona.

Report: Ricky Rubio to Spend Two More Seasons in Spain

Spanish newspaper Marca is reporting (via RealGM/Skeets) that Ricky Rubio has sorted out his plans for next season. The paper reports that Regal FC Barcelona has worked out a deal with Rubio and his former team, DKV Joventut.

Joventut will receive more than $5 million (or 3.7 million Euros) for the rights to Ricky. There's no word on how much Barcelona will pay Rubio, though I imagine it will be more than the rookie scale contract La Pistola would have earned with Minnesota ($5.6 million over two years). For reference, Juan Carlos Navarro became the richest player in FC Barcelona history last summer when he inked a five-year, $23 million deal. I would hazard a guess Rubio's pay will be even more.

Marca has Rubio's Barcelona contract at six years in length, with a decreasing buy-out amount after each season. The thinking has been that if Rubio did stay in Europe, he would make his move across the Atlantic after the 2010-11 season; Minnesota GM David Kahn has even referenced getting Ricky in two years as a worst-case scenario.

In the mean time, supposing this report is accurate, Jonny Flynn has won the never-begun point guard battle in Minneapolis. He'll be a contender for Rookie of the Year by virtue of all the minutes he'll play, and he basically has two years to prove he deserves to be the team's Point Guard of the Future more than Ricky does.

 

[mook]

Dang. Too bad for Minneapolis.

I wonder if Pritchard ever suggested a trade with them to get them some players right now. Bayless + Fernandez for Rubio would have made a lot of sense for both teams, assuming Rubio was willing to come here immediately.

 

[Sug]

It makes you appreciate how the Rudy situation went down.

 

[illmatic99]

I don't think Rubio's value will be any lower than it is right now, so I'd pounce on this opportunity if I were KP.

Give 'em Bayless, Travis, and cash for Ricky. Edit: can his rights be traded right now?

It would be perfect, as he'd be able to step in right when Miller's done.

 

[oldguy]

I wonder if the Pups would be interested in having Bayless now, instead of waiting two years to have anything? The Blazers could certainly afford to wait two years for Rubio.

 

[illmatic99]

Rubio-Gate?

AWoj from Y! and Chris Mannix from SI both just posted on their twitter accounts that Rubio has not officially signed any deal yet.

 

[¹²³]

Rubio-Gate?

AWoj from Y! and Chris Mannix from SI both just posted on their twitter accounts that Rubio has not officially signed any deal yet.

Yep.

Source: Rubio deal not done yet

 

[maxiep]

Dang. Too bad for Minneapolis.

I wonder if Pritchard ever suggested a trade with them to get them some players right now. Bayless + Fernandez for Rubio would have made a lot of sense for both teams, assuming Rubio was willing to come here immediately.

You think Rubio is better than Rudy? Fernandez can play the one, two or three. Fernandez can shoot, pass and plays pesky D.

I'll keep Rudy.

 

[mook]

Rubio-Gate?

AWoj from Y! and Chris Mannix from SI both just posted on their twitter accounts that Rubio has not officially signed any deal yet.

Hmmm. Maybe he's just lined up this contract to demonstrate how serious he is about not coming to Minnesota?

If I were the Wolves, I'd trade him. They could still get excellent value, and it seems to me like he's never going to come to Minnesota and be happy there.

 

[mook]

You think Rubio is better than Rudy? Fernandez can play the one, two or three. Fernandez can shoot, pass and plays pesky D.

I'll keep Rudy.

Eric Snow could play three positions too. Doesn't mean he was ever more valuable than John Stockton. Of course, Snow is worse, and neither Rudy nor Rubio likely wind up as good as Stockton, but you get my point.

I've watched as many Spanish games as I could, and Rubio always stands out much more to me than Fernandez. If he's not already better than Rudy, he will be soon.

Besides, I just don't see Fernandez being happy long-term on this team playing behind Roy. It's a little like having Michael Redd and Ray Allen on the same squad. Sure, you can make it work. But you can get a lot more productivity if you trade one of them for something you actually need. (Note: not a washed up Gary Payton.)

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

I think if I was David Kahn, I would really try to work out a deal with the knicks.

 

[STOMP]

You think Rubio is better than Rudy? Fernandez can play the one, two or three. Fernandez can shoot, pass and plays pesky D.

I'll keep Rudy.

I'm happy to have RF on the team, but lets not oversell his abilities... dude is a 2. A team could play him at PG or Center if they choose, but SG is the position he's played thus far. When he's teamed with Roy, its the taller heavier BR with the primary responsibility of covering the other teams SF. There has been some coach chatter of him initiating the O on occasion this coming year, but thats yet to happen... lets keep the cart behind the horse until it does.

STOMP