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For people who have reeding komprehenshun issues, I said, "Rajon Rondo mold" i.e. "assist machine." I doubt he'll ever shoot over 40% from the field and he'll never be much of a threat to finish and I think his ability to play defense against the quickest guards in the league will always be subpar, but if he can heal fully I think there's a place for him in the league.
 
Rondo mold includes triple doubles with 18-19 rebounds. Don't insult Rondo. You can't be "decent" and in the Rondo mold. Rondo is way better than decent. If you wanted to say Rubio will just get a lot of assists, say that. Rondo is more than that. Learn the game then post.

My Nik impression:

Sasha Pavlovic's game is in the mold of Kobe Bryant without the scoring or unmatched desire to win.
 
Nikolokolus said:
For people who have reeding komprehenshun issues, I said, "Rajon Rondo mold" i.e. "assist machine." I doubt he'll ever shoot over 40% from the field and he'll never be much of a threat to finish and I think his ability to play defense against the quickest guards in the league will always be subpar, but if he can heal fully I think there's a place for him in the league.
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I'm with you Nik. Rubio has a place in this league.

Not only the assist thing, both Rondo and Rubio can be leaders on the court controlling (to some degree) the pace of the game. Rubio proved at a young age he can play at this level, now it is a matter of how much he reaches his potential.

His big drawback is his shooting and finishing around the rim. If he ever does develop a reliable shot and learns to finish . . . watch out.
 
KingSpeed said:
Rondo mold includes triple doubles with 18-19 rebounds. Don't insult Rondo. You can't be "decent" and in the Rondo mold. Rondo is way better than decent. If you wanted to say Rubio will just get a lot of assists, say that. Rondo is more than that. Learn the game then post.

My Nik impression:

Sasha Pavlovic's game is in the mold of Kobe Bryant without the scoring or unmatched desire to win.
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Go SlyPokerDog yourself
 
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I have an idea, why don't we go back to what this thread is REALLY about, and make fun of the Minnesota fans who came here and posted pictures of Greg Oden nude, instead of infighting?
 
How is Rubio not in the Rondo mold?
A) Each get ridiculously high ast%...Rubio at 37% and Rondo averaging above 40% for the last four years.
B) Rubio's rebounding % is 6.8%, Rondo's has been between 7.2% and 8.3% the last four years. Rondo has a higher R/36min than Rubio, but at 4.9 to 4.4 is still well within the same ballpark.
C) Both aren't great at jump shooting, but Rondo's 24% is 10% worse than Rubio's 34%.
D) 2/3 of Rondo's win shares come from defense. 3/4 of Rubio's are from defense. Rondo's steal% 2.6%, Rubio's 3.3%.

Differences: Obviously, Rondo gets more minutes than Rubio did last year as a rookie. He's better at getting to the rim, and better at finishing. His per36's and percentages are all better than Rubio, but way more correlative than many of you are giving him credit for.

Is he a poor man's Rondo? Time will tell after his injury, but based on last year's stats, style of play, impact on the game and just the basic eye test the answer is yes. He's not a poor-man's Lillard, or Deron, or Collison, or Irving, or Wall, or Rose, or Curry (or Stockton, or Magic, or Isiah)--all of whom play way different styles of PG with way different skillsets and stats. And if that's what Nik was saying, then I wholeheartedly agree.
 
I dunno, I agree with Nik, personally. Had all of this crap with Minnesota not gone down this past year, nobody would think twice of him, and he'd go from someone everyone coveted, to someone nobody wants, and then a year from now, people would be clamoring for him again. I still think he's going to be a good PG in the league, good to very good. But I suppose we should judge him after an injury instead. Of course, some of the same judging him were quick to mock James Harden as well, as just someone skating by with good teammates.
 
BrianFromWA said:
How is Rubio not in the Rondo mold?
A) Each get ridiculously high ast%...Rubio at 37% and Rondo averaging above 40% for the last four years.
B) Rubio's rebounding % is 6.8%, Rondo's has been between 7.2% and 8.3% the last four years. Rondo has a higher R/36min than Rubio, but at 4.9 to 4.4 is still well within the same ballpark.
C) Both aren't great at jump shooting, but Rondo's 24% is 10% worse than Rubio's 34%.
D) 2/3 of Rondo's win shares come from defense. 3/4 of Rubio's are from defense. Rondo's steal% 2.6%, Rubio's 3.3%.

Differences: Obviously, Rondo gets more minutes than Rubio did last year as a rookie. He's better at getting to the rim, and better at finishing. His per36's and percentages are all better than Rubio, but way more correlative than many of you are giving him credit for.

Is he a poor man's Rondo? Time will tell after his injury, but based on last year's stats, style of play, impact on the game and just the basic eye test the answer is yes. He's not a poor-man's Lillard, or Deron, or Collison, or Irving, or Wall, or Rose, or Curry (or Stockton, or Magic, or Isiah)--all of whom play way different styles of PG with way different skillsets and stats. And if that's what Nik was saying, then I wholeheartedly agree.
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He's a poor man's Ramon Sessions in his Milwaukee days.
 
RR7 said:
I dunno, I agree with Nik, personally. Had all of this crap with Minnesota not gone down this past year, nobody would think twice of him, and he'd go from someone everyone coveted, to someone nobody wants, and then a year from now, people would be clamoring for him again. I still think he's going to be a good PG in the league, good to very good. But I suppose we should judge him after an injury instead. Of course, some of the same judging him were quick to mock James Harden as well, as just someone skating by with good teammates.
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Harden WAS just skating by with good teammates. Harden is garbage. Leading his team to a 6 game losing streak and off to the lottery.
 
KingSpeed said:
Harden WAS just skating by with good teammates. Harden is garbage. Leading his team to a 6 game losing streak and off to the lottery.
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by that logic, LaMarcus is garbage, leading his team into a 4 game losing streak.
 
4 game losing streak is fine. It's a SIX game losing streak that makes one garbage.
 
BrianFromWA said:
How is Rubio not in the Rondo mold?
A) Each get ridiculously high ast%...Rubio at 37% and Rondo averaging above 40% for the last four years.
B) Rubio's rebounding % is 6.8%, Rondo's has been between 7.2% and 8.3% the last four years. Rondo has a higher R/36min than Rubio, but at 4.9 to 4.4 is still well within the same ballpark.
C) Both aren't great at jump shooting, but Rondo's 24% is 10% worse than Rubio's 34%.
D) 2/3 of Rondo's win shares come from defense. 3/4 of Rubio's are from defense. Rondo's steal% 2.6%, Rubio's 3.3%.

Differences: Obviously, Rondo gets more minutes than Rubio did last year as a rookie. He's better at getting to the rim, and better at finishing. His per36's and percentages are all better than Rubio, but way more correlative than many of you are giving him credit for.

Is he a poor man's Rondo? Time will tell after his injury, but based on last year's stats, style of play, impact on the game and just the basic eye test the answer is yes. He's not a poor-man's Lillard, or Deron, or Collison, or Irving, or Wall, or Rose, or Curry (or Stockton, or Magic, or Isiah)--all of whom play way different styles of PG with way different skillsets and stats. And if that's what Nik was saying, then I wholeheartedly agree.
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Because Rondo is an All-Star NBA champion and Rubio is a bench player shooting 22% from the field?

You cherry-picked statistics to fit your argument. Anybody who watches Rondo and Rubio play don't say "gee, they are really similar". It's a garbage argument, and frankly an insult to Rondo.

People will do anything to cover for what was clearly a ridiculous comparison.
 
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RR7 said:
I dunno, I agree with Nik, personally. Had all of this crap with Minnesota not gone down this past year, nobody would think twice of him, and he'd go from someone everyone coveted, to someone nobody wants, and then a year from now, people would be clamoring for him again. I still think he's going to be a good PG in the league, good to very good. But I suppose we should judge him after an injury instead. Of course, some of the same judging him were quick to mock James Harden as well, as just someone skating by with good teammates.
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Having doubts about James Harden being a franchise player who can lead a team to an NBA title, in a thread about Ricky Rubio being a guy with a 7 PER, is not the same thing at all and is totally disingenuous.

What a hilarious straw man.

It was a stupid comparison, and I have to laugh at those trying to justify it. Rubio in the "Rondo mold" is just a dumb thought. Can Rubio become a decent NBA player? Maybe. Does he have Rajon Rondo's skillset? Not even fucking close.

Just stop.
 
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Anyhow, Rubio sucks right now.
 
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PapaG said:
Comparing James Harden being a franchise player who can lead a team to an NBA title, in a thread about Ricky Rubio being a guy with a 7 PER is not the same thing at all.

What a hilarious straw man.

It was a stupid comparison, and I have to laugh at those trying to justify it. Rubio in the "Rondo mold" is just a dumb thought. Can Rubio become a decent NBA player? Maybe. Does he have Rajon Rondo's skillset? Not even fucking close.

Just stop.
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Just for emphasis.

Let's not be silly, folks.
 
PapaG said:
Because Rondo is an All-Star NBA champion and Rubio is a bench player shooting 22% from the field?

People will do anything to cover for what was clearly a ridiculous comparison.
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Comparing styles of play by bringing up All-Star appearances and rings (while excluding Olympic gold-medal games ;) ) is pretty ridiculous as well.

Was Rubio a bench player last year? What were Rondo's first 52 games like? Wait, I know, let's use an 229-minute sample and one particular statistic coming off of an injury to invalidate 7 years of the same style of play. :MARIS61:

does he have Rondo's skillset? Not even fuckin close.
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What, pray tell, are Rondo's skills? Having 3 Hall of Famers as teammates and winning a ring? Being an all-star in his 4th season? Since I can't foresee what Rubio's next 3 years are going to be like (I mean, will MIN trade with Kevin McHale to put 3 HoFers around Rubio?), I look at their (ahem) skillsets. Like being gambling-on-defense PGs...like not having a jump shot (though Rubio looks like Ray Allen in comparison to Rondo), like all the things in my previous post that you're attempting to invalidate b/c of a 229-minute sample. I notice you didn't bring up how Rondo's rookie year is clearly inferior to Rubio's in every way.

I mean, in Rondo's first 52 games...
During his rookie season in the NBA, Rondo played a supporting role and would split time with Sebastian Telfair and Delonte West.
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In his second year
After Telfair and West were traded during the offseason of the 2007–08 season, Rondo secured a spot in the starting lineup, starting in every game. Surrounded by All-Stars Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, he quickly became a steady, consistent player.[30] In his 77 games played, he averaged 10.6 points per game (ppg), 5.1 assists per game (apg) and 4.2 rebounds per game (rpg)
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So in his second year, Rondo couldn't match what Rubio's rookie year was. Hm.
 
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rubio's a lot better defender than Sergio. It's not really close.
 
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.7 less steals per 36 minutes.

110 to 104 defensive rating.

Very little difference.

Actually theres very little difference in any part of their games, except that Sergio was a better shooter/scorer.
 
I would take any of the backup PGs we used to have; Sergio, Patty Mills (who I think was the one who should have stayed), Jack, etc. over our backup PGs now.
 
VanillaGorilla said:
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.7 less steals per 36 minutes.

110 to 104 defensive rating.

Very little difference.

Actually theres very little difference in any part of their games, except that Sergio was a better shooter/scorer.
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I'd say 110-104 is a pretty large difference in DRTG. On top of that, just taking it by itself is pretty useless. I mean, unless you believe that Blake Griffin is one of the top PF defenders in the league, next to Boozer.
Rubio's rating last year was 104. But Minnesota as a team was almost 107. Sergio never had a rating better than his team's overall rating, and the only time he was within even 1 whole point of it was on Sacramento.
 
RR7 said:
I'd say 110-104 is a pretty large difference in DRTG. On top of that, just taking it by itself is pretty useless. I mean, unless you believe that Blake Griffin is one of the top PF defenders in the league, next to Boozer.
Rubio's rating last year was 104. But Minnesota as a team was almost 107. Sergio never had a rating better than his team's overall rating, and the only time he was within even 1 whole point of it was on Sacramento.
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I don't take it by itself, Rubio sucks at defense when I see him play too.

All I'm saying is that Sergio was as good at passing, better at scoring, and worse at defense. I just don't see why you're so adamant about Rubio being so much better at defense it's "not even close".
 
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