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Let's talk without trolling each other. Each of these 22 year olds has advantages over the other two. Kidd was the most efficient of the three, Lillard the best shooter with the fewest turnovers and highest ORtg, and Rubio the best defensively through steals. Each is the worst at something: Rubio turns the ball over the most and is the worst shooter and fouls a lot, Lillard doesn't steal the ball or rebound well and has the worst DRtg, Kidd was pretty bad at shooting FT's.

Of the three, I'd say that Kidd is the best, followed by Lillard and Rubio neck-and-neck. It depends on what you want out of your point guard (potent offense or disrupt defense), which you choose for second place.

Ehn, they're all three pretty awesome point guards. Fighting about them doesn't mean much, either.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
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Let's talk without trolling each other. Each of these 22 year olds has advantages over the other two. Kidd was the most efficient of the three, Lillard the best shooter with the fewest turnovers and highest ORtg, and Rubio the best defensively through steals. Each is the worst at something: Rubio turns the ball over the most and is the worst shooter and fouls a lot, Lillard doesn't steal the ball or rebound well and has the worst DRtg, Kidd was pretty bad at shooting FT's.

Of the three, I'd say that Kidd is the best, followed by Lillard and Rubio neck-and-neck. It depends on what you want out of your point guard (potent offense or disrupt defense), which you choose for second place.

Ehn, they're all three pretty awesome point guards. Fighting about them doesn't mean much, either.
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but but but..my penis is bigger than yours because I'm proving myself correct!!!
 
BlazerCaravan said:
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Let's talk without trolling each other. Each of these 22 year olds has advantages over the other two. Kidd was the most efficient of the three, Lillard the best shooter with the fewest turnovers and highest ORtg, and Rubio the best defensively through steals. Each is the worst at something: Rubio turns the ball over the most and is the worst shooter and fouls a lot, Lillard doesn't steal the ball or rebound well and has the worst DRtg, Kidd was pretty bad at shooting FT's.

Of the three, I'd say that Kidd is the best, followed by Lillard and Rubio neck-and-neck. It depends on what you want out of your point guard (potent offense or disrupt defense), which you choose for second place.

Ehn, they're all three pretty awesome point guards. Fighting about them doesn't mean much, either.
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you forgot the part where ricky was coming off an ACL tear and his PnR partner has been hurt the whole year, putting a damper on his overall numbers
 
zonasotahomer said:
you forgot the part where ricky was coming off an ACL tear and his PnR partner has been hurt the whole year, putting a damper on his overall numbers
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so...the year before when he was healthy and had his PnR partner, how come he shot crappy?
 
zonasotahomer said:
you forgot the part where ricky was coming off an ACL tear and his PnR partner has been hurt the whole year, putting a damper on his overall numbers
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I also forgot the part where Lillard was a rookie instead of a second year player.
 
Rubio will one day be a decent player. That day is when he won't be a tpup player. Playing in that shit hole minny is holding him back.
 
julius said:
Well, you are like the other minnesota trolls who came here, oblivious to the fact we can see your IP address. you first came in as a Miami Heat fan (avatar and signature file with pictures related to miami) and then all the sudden you became a Wolves fan with Rubio avatar and some odd...I'm assuming Non related tattoo?

Yeah, this thread was lame to begin with. But WE know it, based on who started it. Most of us joked about it, because we knew it was done to piss off rubio honks.

Why should you care what Portland fans say about a player on your team, in our own forum? I honestly don't give a crap what Minnesota fans, Laker fans or any other fans say about any Blazer.
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http://www.82games.com/1213/12MIN3.HTM

Scroll down to Rubio's production, and then opponent production, and tell me he's "exactly" Jason Kidd.
 
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zonasotahomer said:
lillard: 1/16 against orlando
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You may want to learn the difference between a statistical anomaly and a trend, then post. Even good shooters have occasional bad shooting nights and bad shooters occasionally have good shooting nights. That doesn't change the fact that a bad shooter is a bad shooter, and Rubio is a BAD shooter.

To understand the difference, just go back and look at how these two bounced back after their poor shooting performances.

Damian Lillard:
2/10/2013 - 1/16
2/12/2013 - 10/18

Ricky Rubio:
4/6/2013 - 1/13
4/9/2013 - 0/10

Notice any differences?

One is a good shooter bouncing back from the worst game of his career. The other is a bad shooter being a bad shooter.

Rubio has only played 53 games this season, but has shot .250, or less, 18 times (and that doesn't count the game he went 0/0). That means he shot terribly in over 1/3 of his games. He's a bad shooter.

By comparison, Lillard has played 78 games and shot .250, or less, 10 times. That means he's shot terribly in about 1 of every 8 games. A good shooter, who has an occasional off night.

in his 53 games, Rubio has only shot .450, or above, 12 times. A bad shooter who occasionally has a good night.

By comparison, Lillard has shot .450, or better, 36 times. A good shooter.

The fact is, Lillard shoots considerably better than Rubio from everywhere on the court.

Damian Lillard:
.429 FG%, .370 3FG%, .847 FT%, .546 TS%, .501 eFG%

Ricky Rubio:
.355 FG%, .266 3FG%, .792 FT%, .476 TS%, .398 eFG%

Trying to compare Damian Lillard's shooting to Ricky Rubio's by citing a single game is just plain stupid. There is a sufficient body to evidence to prove Rubio is a horrible shooter and Lillard is not.

Last night, Rubio went 2-8, .250, and actually RAISED his FG% for the month of April (now all the way up to .234). That's some seriously bad shooting, but not at all unexpected to anyone who has every watched him play.

Rubio has absolutely no midrange game (and at .266 3FG, it's not like he has a long range game either). For his career, Rubio is shooting just .224 for shots from 3 to 10 feet. He's not much better on shots from 10 - 16 feet (.289). That means between 3 and 16 feet, Rubio is shooting just .254. He misses three fourths of his mid range shots. No wonder defenses don't respect his shooting. His poor shooting hurts his team - and don't try to make any lame excuses about missing his best teammate due to injuries. He shot just as poorly playing with Kevin Love last year as he is playing without him this year. He's just a bad, bad shooter.

BNM
 
zonasotahomer said:
technically
but he hasnt even played a full season or had an offseason to work on his game
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Yeah, come on guys, it's not like he played professionally in Europe for several years before coming to the NBA, or he's ever had a summer to work on improving his shot. Give the guy a break.

Is the basket bigger in Europe? Maybe a little lower? Because for some reason, Rubio just can't seem to put the ball in the basket on this side of the Atlantic.

BNM
 
This is so OT, it belongs on the Wolves board. If there is such a thing.
 
BBert said:
This is so OT, it belongs on the Wolves board. If there is such a thing.
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Come on, give Kingspeed a break. He's been waiting 7 months for Rubio to have a good game so he could bump this thread.

Yes, the Wolves are off to a good start, but Bricky Rubio still can't shoot to save his life. Even after tonight's stellar performance, he's shooting .318 FG% for the season.

In the 4 games before tonight, he shot:

3-11
0-7
2-8
2-8

That's a combined 7-34 = .206 FG% in the previous 4 games. I guess that's why Kingspeed waited until tonight to bump this thread.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Come on, give Kingspeed a break. He's been waiting 7 months for Rubio to have a good game so he could bump this thread.

Yes, the Wolves are off to a good start, but Bricky Rubio still can't shoot to save his life. Even after tonight's stellar performance, he's shooting .318 FG% for the season.

In the 4 games before tonight, he shot:

3-11
0-7
2-8
2-8

That's a combined 7-34 = .206 FG% in the previous 4 games. I guess that's why Kingspeed waited until tonight to bump this thread.

BNM
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When's the last time they never brang help to a PG after a pick because they knew he couldn't shoot? lol.
 
Rubio is an impressive basketball player with that passing and defense. Obviously he doesn't have an outside shot but that didn't stop Minny from scoring 47 1st quarter points. I think with all the outside shooting we have here and our major lack of PG defense our team might be better if we had him instead of Lillard.
 
Draco said:
Rubio is an impressive basketball player with that passing and defense. Obviously he doesn't have an outside shot but that didn't stop Minny from scoring 47 1st quarter points. I think with all the outside shooting we have here and our major lack of PG defense our team might be better if we had him instead of Lillard.
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Given that Love and Martin scored all but 6 of those points, it neither helped or didn't help them score 47. lol.
 
Draco said:
Rubio is an impressive basketball player with that passing and defense. Obviously he doesn't have an outside shot but that didn't stop Minny from scoring 47 1st quarter points. I think with all the outside shooting we have here and our major lack of PG defense our team might be better if we had him instead of Lillard.
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I don't agree with the switching of Rubio and Lillard... the defense would just pack the paint or double more. Lillard keeps the defense honest and spread for more penetration.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Pistol Pete Maravich.
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No fucking way. Worst comparison ever. Yeah, Maravich was a flashy passer, but he was a scorer first. He averaged over 44ppg in his college career. Rubio couldn't average 44ppg playing in the city rec leagues. Maravich led the NBA in scoring at 31.1ppg in 76-77, but never averaged 7 apg for a season. Rubio has never average less than 7apg. For his career, Maravich averaged 24.2ppg and 5.4apg. He was one of the highest scoring guards of all time. For his career, Rubio is averaging 10.5ppg and 7.7apg.

Rubio = pass first PG who plays defense but can't shoot worth shit.

Maravich = shoot first guard who was one of the most prolific scorers in NCAA and NBA history, but didn't play much defense.

You could not have picked two more different players. OK, well maybe Manute Bol and Muggsy Bogues.

BNM
 
Strenuus said:
I don't agree with the switching of Rubio and Lillard... the defense would just pack the paint or double more. Lillard keeps the defense honest and spread for more penetration.
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Yeah his outside shooting sucks, but with Matthews, Batum, Wright, Mo shooting the three I think our offense would still be just as effective. If CJ comes back he is another 3 point threat. Plus LaMarcus can make long two’s. Rubio isn’t a spot up shooter but he is an amazing distributor. Remember all the easy buckets Andre Miller got for this team? The problem with Andre Miller is we paired him with Gerald Wallace and Marcus Camby. Rubio needs teammates who can shoot which we have.

The defense would be so much more effective, even if the offense was the same or slightly worse I think the defense prevents so many more points from the opposition we would win more games.

Now on a team like the Pistons I’d rather have Lillard. They desperately need 3 point floor spacer but we have so much outside shooting already it’s not as critical.

I love having Lillard on our team its just laughable that fans here don’t respect the best players of other playoff teams.
 
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