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SlyPokerDog said:
Really? This is a Blazer board. We're not here to sign the praises of Russel fucking Westbrook. I don't have to be logical, reasonable or right. I'm a Blazer fan first and foremost. I think Westbrook, Harden and Kobe are pure crap. That's my right. If I wanted fair discourse on a player I would go somewhere else.
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Uh oh! The BIG DOG has spoken.....
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yep, if you consider both team success and individual stats Curry should be a unanimous MVP, but there's always one Chuck Swirsky in every crowd who will blindly vote for "his guy" no matter what.

BNM
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I don't see how Harden isn't close and shouldn't get some first place votes. The Rockets are third in the west (flirting with second) despite not having their #2 guy most of the year; he's 2nd in the league in scoring, and has comparable advanced stats to Curry.

I tend to agree that a 28 PER with (almost) 50/40/90 on a 65+ win team should probably earn MVP, but I can acknowledge that there is a valid counter-argument.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't see how Harden isn't close and shouldn't get some first place votes. The Rockets are third in the west (flirting with second) despite not having their #2 guy most of the year; he's 2nd in the league in scoring, and has comparable advanced stats to Curry.

I tend to agree that a 28 PER with (almost) 50/40/90 on a 65+ win team should probably earn MVP, but I can acknowledge that there is a valid counter-argument.
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He looks like a fainting goat at times because he flops so much. You don't give a fainting goat the MVP.
 
BBert said:
No one here fails to realize Westbrick's obvious talent and ability. We make fun of him because of his ego, stat padding, poor late game decision making, and refusal to involve capable teammates. I hope he stays exactly the way he is.
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And his certifiable sociopathy. Don't forget his certifiable sociopathy.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I don't see how Harden isn't close and shouldn't get some first place votes. The Rockets are third in the west (flirting with second) despite not having their #2 guy most of the year; he's 2nd in the league in scoring, and has comparable advanced stats to Curry.

I tend to agree that a 28 PER with (almost) 50/40/90 on a 65+ win team should probably earn MVP, but I can acknowledge that there is a valid counter-argument.
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As much as I hate to admit it, because I hate the way he plays, Harden should come in second in the MVP race this season. However, I still think Curry should be the unanimous winner due to the much better team record. GSW is on track to win 67 or 68 wins. That puts them in the upper stratosphere of all time great regular season teams. HOU will likely win 54 or 55 games. That's a good record season, but not nearly as impressive as 67 or 68 wins.

It wouldn't be unprecedented for a player on a 67 win team to not win MVP, but it's uncommon and when it does happen, it still goes to a player on a 63 or 64 win team, not a player on a 54/55 win team (Harden) or 46/47 win team (Westbrook).

Here's a list of 67+ win teams and MVP winners:

1995-96 Chicago Bulls 72-10, MVP = Michael Jordan
1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers 69-13, MVP = Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Milwaukee Bucks 63-19)
1996-97 Chicago Bulls 69-13, MVP = Karl Malone (Utah Jazz 64-18)
1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers 68-13, MVP = Wilt Chamberlain
1972-73 Boston Celtics 68-14, MVP = Dave Cowens
1985-86 Boston Celtics 67-15, MVP = Larry Bird
1991-92 Chicago Bulls 67-15, MVP = Michael Jordan
1999-2000 Los Angeles Lakers 67-15, MVP = Shaquille O'Neal
2006-07 Dallas Maverics 67-15, MVP = Dirk Nowitski

So, with two exceptions, when team has won at least 67 games, their best player wins MVP. In the case of the two exceptions, the MVP played on team that won 64 and 63 games.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
As much as I hate to admit it, because I hate the way he plays, Harden should come in second in the MVP race this season. However, I still think Curry should be the unanimous winner due to the much better team record. GSW is on track to win 67 or 68 wins. That puts them in the upper stratosphere of all time great regular season teams. HOU will likely win 54 or 55 games. That's a good record season, but not nearly as impressive as 67 or 68 wins.

It wouldn't be unprecedented for a player on a 67 win team to not win MVP, but it's uncommon and when it does happen, it still goes to a player on a 63 or 64 win team, not a player on a 54/55 win team (Harden) or 46/47 win team (Westbrook).

Here's a list of 67+ win teams and MVP winners:

1995-96 Chicago Bulls 72-10, MVP = Michael Jordan
1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers 69-13, MVP = Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Milwaukee Bucks 63-19)
1996-97 Chicago Bulls 69-13, MVP = Karl Malone (Utah Jazz 64-18)
1966-67 Philadelphia 76ers 68-13, MVP = Wilt Chamberlain
1972-73 Boston Celtics 68-14, MVP = Dave Cowens
1985-86 Boston Celtics 67-15, MVP = Larry Bird
1991-92 Chicago Bulls 67-15, MVP = Michael Jordan
1999-2000 Los Angeles Lakers 67-15, MVP = Shaquille O'Neal
2006-07 Dallas Maverics 67-15, MVP = Dirk Nowitski

So, with two exceptions, when team has won at least 67 games, their best player wins MVP. In the case of the two exceptions, the MVP played on team that won 64 and 63 games.

BNM
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Since you're doing the research...how many if those were unanimous?
 
OKC is an incredibly well built team. They really develop their bench guys. We couldn't do as well if we had the same kinds of injuries.
 
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