OT: Stan Van Gundy Fired by Magic

[THE HCP]

Not going to read any of this thread........... FUCK NO to hiring that dumpy washed up porn star lookin' coach!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Yeah, he's kind of a retread of McMillan. They are cut from the same slow-as-molasses mold.

 

[MickZagger]

Yeah, he's kind of a retread of McMillan. They are cut from the same slow-as-molasses mold.

Except Van Gundy just dealt with cards he was dealt. A slow as team full of jump shooters. Pack the paint, or toss it outside. It was the best offense for the team to run with the personnel they had. He got them to a Finals with that offense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

next to go, dho for bynum

I doubt it. I don't think Orlando would prefer Bynum, with all his off-court shenanigans (in a prissy small market) to whatever NJ can offer.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd like SVG for a couple of reasons:
1. He's a GREAT interview. After years of listening to Nate-speak, it would be hugely refreshing.
2. He's a great coach. He has had success with very flawed rosters and he his teams always play excellent defense.
3. What he did with Hedo was like what D'Antoni did with Diaw: take a player whose skills were being overshadowed by his flaws elsewhere and put him in a situation where he thrived and helped the team thrive. And I think he could do the same for Batum.

 

[PapaG]

I'd like SVG for a couple of reasons:
1. He's a GREAT interview. After years of listening to Nate-speak, it would be hugely refreshing.

Irrelevant to anything other than aesthetics.

2. He's a great coach. He has had success with very flawed rosters and he his teams always play excellent defense.

He's had MVP-level talent, yet only made one Finals. He also got fired by Pat Riley, who then took that team to a title. His own players say he panics in close games.

3. What he did with Hedo was like what D'Antoni did with Diaw: take a player whose skills were being overshadowed by his flaws elsewhere and put him in a situation where he thrived and helped the team thrive. And I think he could do the same for Batum.

Hedo had one season with a PER above 17 with SVG, and his game is nothing like Batum's.

Spending $5 milion+ on Van Gundy seems foolish to me, which probably means Bert will give it his Clod of approval.

 

[Blaze01]

He had one all star level player and a roster full of crap after that...

The guy is a good coach....bottom line, he did a good job with what he was given by mgmt...

I'd be fine with him coaching this rebuilding project....

 

[Mediocre Man]

He had one all star level player and a roster full of crap after that...

The guy is a good coach....bottom line, he did a good job with what he was given by mgmt...

I'd be fine with him coaching this rebuilding project....

Least liked coach among players in the league. No thanks

 

[HailBlazers]

Least liked coach among players in the league. No thanks

In this league that's a good thing, and since we have no prima donna's he'd work here.

 

[Mediocre Man]

In this league that's a good thing, and since we have no prima donna's he'd work here.

I think it's dangerous bringing in a coach that was voted that by the players, to a place that is hard enough to draw big name free agents to. His ffense really isn't a whole lot better than Nate's either, when it comes to the playoffs

 

[Blaze01]

Least liked coach among players in the league. No thanks

I find that poll to be suspect at best....

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Irrelevant to anything other than aesthetics.

You mean, like sports?

He's had MVP-level talent, yet only made one Finals.

Says the fan of the team that hasn't won a first round series in living memory. And how many players are "MVP-level"? If it's around 5, then there are a lot of good coaches that that's true of.

Do you really think that in the next 5 years we would be winning a championship if it wasn't for Van Gundy?

He also got fired by Pat Riley, who then took that team to a title.

Thanks to a lot of very dubious foul calls for Dwyane Wade.
So, if that proves anything, it proves that Pat Riley is a better finals coach than SVG. Good thing SVG won't be coaching against Riley when he next gets a team to the finals.

His own players say he panics in close games.

You mean Shaq said that. Name the coach of his that Shaq hasn't trashed about five minutes after he (Shaq or the coach) leaves the team. That's sort of his thing.

Hedo had one season with a PER above 17 with SVG, and his game is nothing like Batum's.

Oh, I forgot - PER is everything. And do explain why Hedo's game is nothing like Batum's.

Spending $5 milion+ on Van Gundy seems foolish to me, which probably means Bert will give it his Clod of approval.

This team really doesn't deserve your support. If the team hires Van Gundy you should really go support a team more deserving of your insight.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Least liked coach among players in the league. No thanks

I agree, I think we should hire the 8th most-liked.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I agree, I think we should hire the 8th most-liked.

22% > 3%

 

[Rastapopoulos]

22% > 3%

True, but how many people responded to the poll? And how many coaches can most NBA players actually name? I think it has more to do with what coaches you see on TV than what they've actually heard from their peers.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

True, but how many people responded to the poll? And how many coaches can most NBA players actually name? I think it has more to do with what coaches you see on TV than what they've actually heard from their peers.

Whatever the reason, even if just perception, I think a small market team has to stay away from him. Too risky that a player may not choose Ptd because of SVG.

 

[RR7]

True, but how many people responded to the poll? And how many coaches can most NBA players actually name? I think it has more to do with what coaches you see on TV than what they've actually heard from their peers.

So if 22% got the perception he's the worst, and 3% got the perception he's the best, and you assume most respondents went off of seeing him on TV, then wouldn't it be fair to assume there's a very small number who played for him, or who heard from those who did, who liked playing for him? Much smaller than those who didn't.

Or are you going to make the assumption that for some reason the 3% is more accurate, and off of his players, and their peers, and the 22% is more off of guys watching on tv?

 

[jlprk]

Carlisle was considered too tough on his players until his Dallas time. Now he's one of the most desired coaches. So van Gundy could change perceptions at his next stop if he wants to.

 

[jlprk]

Carlisle was available to us but was passed over for McMillan. His main negative was the mean reputation.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So if 22% got the perception he's the worst, and 3% got the perception he's the best, and you assume most respondents went off of seeing him on TV, then wouldn't it be fair to assume there's a very small number who played for him, or who heard from those who did, who liked playing for him? Much smaller than those who didn't.

Or are you going to make the assumption that for some reason the 3% is more accurate, and off of his players, and their peers, and the 22% is more off of guys watching on tv?

Here's what I think: I think that, as a factor affecting whether or not a player will sign for a team, the coach's rating in this poll is fairly insignificant. It's behind who the owner is, what the facilities are like, what the endorsement opportunities are, how good the team is and a host of factors. I'd like to see a poll that asks "would you not sign for a team because of this coach?" and I bet you the results would be overwhelmingly that it wouldn't stop them.

The reason why I pointed out that Van Gundy also came 8th in the "most-liked" poll was not so much to show that most players would prefer him over 22 other coaches, but that this poll was stupid and uninformative. I don't think it shows that, I think it shows that there's a limit to the number of coaches players can name, and I think that's because they're not all comparing notes and saying "my guy's an asshole!" but they don't actually pay much attention and only know the famous coaches.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Here's what I think: I think that, as a factor affecting whether or not a player will sign for a team, the coach's rating in this poll is fairly insignificant. It's behind who the owner is, what the facilities are like, what the endorsement opportunities are, how good the team is and a host of factors. I'd like to see a poll that asks "would you not sign for a team because of this coach?" and I bet you the results would be overwhelmingly that it wouldn't stop them.

The reason why I pointed out that Van Gundy also came 8th in the "most-liked" poll was not so much to show that most players would prefer him over 22 other coaches, but that this poll was stupid and uninformative. I don't think it shows that, I think it shows that there's a limit to the number of coaches players can name, and I think that's because they're not all comparing notes and saying "my guy's an asshole!" but they don't actually pay much attention and only know the famous coaches.

From a players perspective, do you think the way SVG handled the "rumors" about Dwight was appropriate? Would you want to play for a coach who did that?

As a fan, I like a coach standing up to the leader on the team and calling it the way it is. If I was a player, I would think the coach set Dwight up to eat his own words. SVG is a much smarter person than Dwight and I think he put that to use (and let his emotions get the best of him) when he decided to make Dwight look foolish.

I don't know what to make of SVG as I also heard the locker room was divided between Howard and SVG (meaning some players took his side). But can Ptd even risk getting a controversial coach?

 

[MickZagger]

What primadonna's on our team are going to get into it with SVG?

The guy is the cream of the crop of available coaches with his resume alone. Its not really even debateable.