OT: Suns get Childress

[THE HCP]

Hedo better stay out of the sun in Arizona because a Turk with a tan will look a lot like a Mexican.

What's wrong with looking like a Mexican!?!? Just tell him to stay away from the Border Patrol!

 

[oldmangrouch]

...nope, I am still slaving away over the salami slicer!

I used to know that girl! Tell her "Nick" says hi.

 

[THE HCP]

Hedo is a perfect match for PHX! Nice move actually!

 

[jlprk]

Hedo looks Filipino. I used to start threads on the ESPN Orlando board that he looks Oriental. I'd post about 5 pictures of him, squinty eyed, ask if he is Oriental, and then (to catch the few who didn't get pissed off) ask them whether everyone in Florida is an Oriental. Those yokels always took me seriously and informed me that they weren't and what an idiot I was. I love to outrage Southerners.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Hedo is a perfect match for PHX! Nice move actually!

I agree - if (and it's a big if) Hedo was going to be good anywhere, it would've been back in Orlando or this. Hope he and his wife enjoy beautiful cosmopolitan Phoenix...

This is annoying: Phoenix are a playoff team again, I think.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Incidentally, both of the Suns deals used the all-the-rage trade-exception trickery. It used to be that if you were over the cap and lost a UFA, you were screwed. But now teams just get trade exceptions, and can keep spending hugely. I betcha that loophole is the first thing that's going to get killed in any new CBA, just to save owners from themselves.

(Was Tom Penn the first to work out trade exceptions, in the legendary James Jones deal?)

 

[maxiep]

The Hawks still have his rights..... what if they match?

The Hawks are trading his rights to PHX.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I agree - if (and it's a big if) Hedo was going to be good anywhere, it would've been back in Orlando or this. Hope he and his wife enjoy beautiful cosmopolitan Phoenix...

This is annoying: Phoenix are a playoff team again, I think.

They don't have a dive man for the pick and roll anymore, Hedo gives them a new wrinkle as a point forward, but who is he going to run the side pick and roll with? Channing, Warrick, Lopez? Furthermore, It's not like Stoudemire was any kind of defender, but Hedo at power forward is going to be laughably bad, especially as his decline continues, that team also looks like it's going to get murdered on the boards.

 

[Minstrel]

According to the article, the deal is for identical amount of years and money: 5 and $35m. I haven't payed attention to Matthews, but I have a hard time believing he's actually equal. Dang.

Yes, I would have actually been quite excited to get Childress for that coin. And I also think a Roy/Childress/Batum perimeter would work better than a Roy/Matthews/Batum perimeter because Childress is a good passer.

 

[Idog1976]

Thanks, Hack. Have you moved up from door-to-door yet? I'm still in the anchovy department, but now they let me deliver sometimes.

I'm starting to think the ESPN mod isn't alone in the questionable mental health department...

 

[maxiep]

Childress and Matthews getting the same money shows just how much we overpaid. I pray the Jazz match.

 

[jwhoops11]

I agree - if (and it's a big if) Hedo was going to be good anywhere, it would've been back in Orlando or this. Hope he and his wife enjoy beautiful cosmopolitan Phoenix...

This is annoying: Phoenix are a playoff team again, I think.

Not sure in my mind that this makes Phoenix any better than they were. They've just replicated what they have numerous of on the roster already. Long lanky players with the ability to knock down the outside jumper but not mobile enough to create their own shot.

Amare opened the floor up a lot for all those outside guys, I'm not convinced that stationing 4 players outside the 3pt line will make them an effective offense. They really need a post player in the worst way!

(....and no, Hackim Warrick, Robin Lopez and Channing Frye don't constitute an effective offensive post player)

 

[Further]

I love this trade ......... for the Blazers

 

[Nikolokolus]

Childress and Matthews getting the same money shows just how much we overpaid. I pray the Jazz match.

It chafes me a little bit because now I'm asking why the hell the Blazers didn't go after him with a massive front loaded contract, because there was no way ATL was going to match after giving Johnson the kind of money they gave him ... plus I think JC is actually worth the full MLE based on past performance and the fact that he's a young veteran.

 

[Minstrel]

It chafes me a little bit because now I'm asking why the hell the Blazers didn't go after him with a massive front loaded contract, because there was no way ATL was going to match after giving Johnson the kind of money they gave him ... plus I think JC is actually worth the full MLE based on past performance and the fact that he's a young veteran.

^ QFT. +1. This. What he said.

 

[hasoos]

What's wrong with looking like a Mexican!?!? Just tell him to stay away from the Border Patrol!

The key is not looking like a suspicious Mexican! Hedo would definitly be a weird looking Mexican. Definitely suspicious!

 

[ABM]

Childress and Matthews getting the same money shows just how much we overpaid. I pray the Jazz match.

No doubt. J-Chil was one of the main reasons the Hawks took the Celtics to 7 games in 2008.

 

[hasoos]

Well I have to disagree with most of you. Childress is "meh" for me. Similar to Luol Deng. Very efficient. But he doesn't shoot many outside 3's, so his shooting percentage there really doesn't show how he effects the game. When your SF isn't a threat from the outside, it makes life for your team very hard in the paint and for players who get double teamed regularly. His highest season he took 77 3's. That isn't even one per game. Why would a defender stay home on you if you never shoot the 3?

 

[ABM]

Well I have to disagree with most of you. Childress........doesn't shoot many outside 3's....

He lofts one of the strangest 2-handed set shots of anyone I've ever seen at any level.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Incidentally, both of the Suns deals used the all-the-rage trade-exception trickery. It used to be that if you were over the cap and lost a UFA, you were screwed. But now teams just get trade exceptions, and can keep spending hugely. I betcha that loophole is the first thing that's going to get killed in any new CBA, just to save owners from themselves.

(Was Tom Penn the first to work out trade exceptions, in the legendary James Jones deal?)

Sonics (R.I.P.) got one for Rashard's max deal.

 

[BGrantFan]

Childress and Matthews getting the same money shows just how much we overpaid. I pray the Jazz match.

The Blazers even admit that they overpaid. Matthews better become some sort of super sub, because at 9x the cost of Rudy this next season, I expect a 17-ish PER, 42% 3pt shooting, and lockdown defense.

 

[BGrantFan]

Sonics (R.I.P.) got one for Rashard's max deal.

Brian, weren't you the one who pointed out how PHX blew a trade exception in the Amare deal, and then PHX must have seen it on TV and structured the deal accordingly?

Nah, we don't miss Penn at all. We're getting Wesley Matthews for the full MLE. Titles, here we come!

 

[Nikolokolus]

Brian, weren't you the one who pointed out how PHX blew a trade exception in the Amare deal, and then PHX must have seen it on TV and structured the deal accordingly?

Nah, we don't miss Penn at all. We're getting Wesley Matthews for the full MLE. Titles, here we come!

Yeah, it's too bad we didn't have a GM to create a TPE out of thin air, that would have been awesome.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Brian, weren't you the one who pointed out how PHX blew a trade exception in the Amare deal, and then PHX must have seen it on TV and structured the deal accordingly?

Nah, we don't miss Penn at all. We're getting Wesley Matthews for the full MLE. Titles, here we come!

I did bring up Penn detailing the trade exception....I don't quite know where you're going with this. All I responded to was whoever asked if Penn's TPE for Jones was the start of the "trade exception movement", and I said that Rashard's S&T (set up by Cho, amazingly enough, and Wally Walker) was the first I remember. But I'm a bit northwest-biased in how quickly I got my news back then.

Apologies in advance if I missed something.

 

[ABM]

It's interesting....Childress was "low-balled" by Atlanta a few years ago, yet has now accepted virtually the same offer from the Suns.

Go figure.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's interesting....Childress was "low-balled" by Atlanta a few years ago, yet has now accepted virtually the same offer from the Suns.

Go figure.

I don't think they ever offered him 5 years with the full MLE. I could be wrong though.

 

[BrianFromWA]

they did... http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3798680

about 2/3 down the page. 5/33M

 

[ABM]

I don't think they ever offered him 5 years with the full MLE. I could be wrong though.

Same neighborhood.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/hawks/stories/2008/07/23/childress_hawks_greece.html

Childress, 25, is the first player at this stage of his NBA career to spurn the world's most high-profile basketball stage for one of its international alternatives.

Atlanta had offered him a five-year, $33 million contract. But the Hawks' slow-paced negotiating tactics and the limits of restricted free agency, combined with what Childress called Wednesday the "opportunity of a lifetime," resulted in his decision.

Whether others follow remains to be seen, but Pandora's Box has clearly been opened.

"I've talked with a few guys and it could become a trend," said Childress, whose net pay from Olympiakos will be $20 million. "I'm not so sure it won't. It's certainly different. We thought outside the box on this one. If players can see a fellow NBA athlete come overseas and live a normal life and adjust to the culture [they may] think, why not me? I'm also interested to see how these next weeks turn out for some of the other restricted free agents in my draft class."

 

[ABM]

Question: I was under the impression that Atlanta had no longer held the rights to Childress. That said, how did a sign & trade come about??

 

[Nikolokolus]

Question: I was under the impression that Atlanta had no longer held the rights to Childress. That said, how did a sign & trade come about??

They kept his rights when he went to Greece