OT: Suns taking offers for Amar'e

[axs88]

Hell, D'Antoni should send Nash 10% of his paycheck every month as a fee for making his coaching look so good.

Maybe true, but then Nash should send one of his MVP trophies to D'Antoni

 

[Natebishop3]

What happened to Francis anyway? Is there any explanation? Did he lose his athleticism? I never really watched him, and I always just figured he had bad knees or something.

 

[Boob-No-More]

What happened to Francis anyway? Is there any explanation? Did he lose his athleticism? I never really watched him, and I always just figured he had bad knees or something.

He lost his mojo. He had a few minor nagging injuries (tendonitis in one knee, sore foot, migraine headaches) but nothing that should have killed his career so fast.

I really think he just lost his desire with each successive trade. He went from Houston, which was a play-off team, to Orlando, who wasn't, to the Knicks who were the biggest trainwreck I've ever seen during the Isiah Thomas reign of terror.

Guess that kind of killed any love he had for the game. He was getting paid a ridiculous salary for doing nothing. So, why put in any effort when your coach and GM is an idiot and your team sucks whether you try, or not? That wouldn't be my approach, but I can see how it can lead to malaise and depression.

BNM

 

[Nate4Prez]

That doesn't make sense at all. Amar'e is not a center, neither is LaMarcus. It's kinda like the problem they have now with Love and Jefferson.

You do know Amare has played center nearly every minute of his career with the Suns (except for when Shaq was there)?

 

[Boob-No-More]

You do know Amare has played center nearly every minute of his career with the Suns (except for when Shaq was there)?

He hasn't played it this year, either. First is was Frye and now Lopez.

BNM

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Amare to the Spurs is a scary thought.

Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire-Another intriguing suitor could emerge in the bidding for Phoenix Suns star Amar’e Stoudemire(notes): the San Antonio Spurs.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...=aw-stoudemirespurs012610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

ESPN Insider is reporting that also. ^^

Yahoo! Sports is reporting the San Antonio Spurs are considering making an offer to the Suns for Amare Stoudemire.

"They know they've got to do something," a source tells the website. "They feel like they've got to at least look at this ... and they are."

The big question is what do the Spurs have to tempt the Suns? Manu Ginobili, Richard Jefferson, George Hill?

Kings:

Several teams have been thrown out as potential suitors for Amare Stoudemire, but one we haven't really heard yet is the Sacramento Kings. And that's for good reason.

Though Sacramento could conceivably covet Stoudemire because they could use a scorer up front (they did consider such a trade last year), teams are trying to get a guarantee he'll re-sign with them before pulling the trigger on a trade.

And that's not in the cards for the Kings, according to Sam Amick of the Sacramento Bee.

"Two sources close to the eight-year player said it would be 'highly unlikely' he would re-sign as a free agent this summer if traded to Sacramento, with his preference to play with a pass-first point guard for a team closer to being in the playoffs than the Kings," he writes.

Knicks:

Knicks president Donnie Walsh thinks the Suns could trade Amare Stoudemire, but it won't be to the Knicks.

"I could see it happening," Walsh told the New York New York Daily News. "But usually, with a player like that, a trade doesn't happen at midseason. But if (the Suns) are not happy with their team, or they think they're going to lose him this summer, then maybe it could happen."

The Daily News doesn't think the Knicks will go after Stoudemire because: "there's always been a question as to whether a team should make Stoudemire its highest-paid player when he's not a complete player, a true No. 1 star, or a leader. In that sense, he's risky, as Mike D'Antoni could tell Walsh from personal experience."

 

[hasoos]

He's a douche, he doesn't fit the system, he doesn't fit the culture, and he's not worth the price even if the first three disqualifiers weren't true.

You know I see people say that a lot. But you don't have to like a person to play with them, and to be frank, we could use the toughness and the attitude. Half the problem with Portland, is the lack of toughness, and the lack of tude. Portland desperately needs a #2 scorer to go behind Roy, because IMO, Lamarcus just isn't getting the job done. Portland needs rebounding. He rebounds. Portland needs a paint presence. He is a paint presence. Portland needs a player who plays with confidence. He plays with confidence.

I fully expect his numbers to drop some coming from a Nash running system, but I think he would be good for at least 20 and 10 a night here. What the hell else do we need?

Lasty, I don't think Paul Allen gives a fuck what it costs. His life is about living it why he can.

 

[RR7]

You expect his numbers to drop, but also for him to give us 20&10 a night? He doesn't get 10 rebounds in Phoenix, with nobody rebounding beside him, and a ton of shots going up each game. Aldridge has been a better rebounder than him this season.

That said, if there was a way to get him without giving up Aldridge, I would like to see it happen. WOuld help us out this year, and then next year, who knows. Maybe we work out a S&T, maybe we plan on giving him, Greg, and LMA each 32 minutes at the 4 and 5. Doubtful.

 

[hasoos]

You expect his numbers to drop, but also for him to give us 20&10 a night? He doesn't get 10 rebounds in Phoenix, with nobody rebounding beside him, and a ton of shots going up each game. Aldridge has been a better rebounder than him this season.

That said, if there was a way to get him without giving up Aldridge, I would like to see it happen. WOuld help us out this year, and then next year, who knows. Maybe we work out a S&T, maybe we plan on giving him, Greg, and LMA each 32 minutes at the 4 and 5. Doubtful.

I actually expect a change of scenery to up his effort. See the way I look at it, the last 2 years with all the bullshit going on in PHX, he has not given it his best effort. Would you if your name had been up in trade rumors every year the last 3 years? I would expect him to head back towards his 25 point and 9.6 rebound year, but with less scoring.

Also I disagree about him rebounding about the same rate as Lamarcus. Just go watch some games and you will see the difference. He averages almost 9 boards a game right now. But it is the difference in the methodology he uses, that makes him a better rebounder. He blocks out well. He plays near the hoop. He doesn't play 18 feet out.

 

[RR7]

You can disagree about his rebounding rate, but his percentage and stats aren't going to lie. He plays at a faste rpace. At that pace, Aldridge would be averaging over 9 rebounds a game. More than Amare currently is. And that has been with Aldridge both playing hurt, and also playing alongside two good rebounders for part of the season in Greg and Joel.

As for where he plays making him a better rebounder, it's really not up to the players, it's up to the coach. Every year, Aldridge's defensive rebounding percentage has increased. So his actual rebounding is getting better. If he runs a pick and pop with a guard, there's really not a lot he can do about being 18 feet from the rim, is there? I'd be interested to see what he would do alongside Nash, and with Amare not with Nash. Amare has a good jumper, so would certainly be asked to pick and pop, and would no longer get to run the pick and roll with Nash.

 

[hasoos]

You can disagree about his rebounding rate, but his percentage and stats aren't going to lie. He plays at a faste rpace. At that pace, Aldridge would be averaging over 9 rebounds a game. More than Amare currently is. And that has been with Aldridge both playing hurt, and also playing alongside two good rebounders for part of the season in Greg and Joel.

As for where he plays making him a better rebounder, it's really not up to the players, it's up to the coach. Every year, Aldridge's defensive rebounding percentage has increased. So his actual rebounding is getting better. If he runs a pick and pop with a guard, there's really not a lot he can do about being 18 feet from the rim, is there? I'd be interested to see what he would do alongside Nash, and with Amare not with Nash. Amare has a good jumper, so would certainly be asked to pick and pop, and would no longer get to run the pick and roll with Nash.

No I don't consider Aldridge playing besides too good rebounders for part of the season a valid arguement. The reason why? I watch the games, and know better. I suggest you do the same, because it isn't even a valid argument as to which player is better. Are you saying Aldridge is better than Amare? If so state it. Amare would be an upgrade across the board. Amare has been to several all star games, and those visits to it, are not flukes. He also has vast playoff experience, and would be a valid 2nd scorer with Brandon, where we cannot depend on Aldridge right now in that arena, and the games right now where he should be stepping up, but is instead choosing to step out, are prime examples of that. I also don't buy the Aldridge being hurt for the games right now. Earlier this season, maybe. But he appears to be moving fine to me. He just isnt' getting it done.

The facts are when Roy is out, our 2nd scorer should be getting into the 20's every night. It's not happening. That is because we don't have a second scorer.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Current Rebounding Percentages:

LaMarcus Aldridge:
ORB% - 8.0
DRB% - 19.9
TRB% - 14.0

Amare Stoudemire:
ORB% - 8.2
DRB% - 18.5
TRB% - 13.6

Those who complain about Aldridge's rebounding will likely have the same beef with Stoudemire.

As a second option on offense, Stoudemire is better than Aldridge, but will he be willing to stay in a small market, dreary weather city to play Robin to Roy's Batman? Or, perhaps even Alfred to Greg Oden's Robin? I just don't see Amare being happy in Portland. Even if he did re-sign with the team, I don't expect him to be happy here long term. He could very well be a disruption down the road playing on such a deep, slow paced team with fewer touches to go around. He's used to getting a lot of shots on Phoenix, but is, for some reason, not totally happy there. How will he not be even more unhappy in Portland?

Plus, he doesn't play a lick of defense (Channing Frye is a better defender).

BNM

 

[RR7]

No I don't consider Aldridge playing besides too good rebounders for part of the season a valid arguement. The reason why? I watch the games, and know better. I suggest you do the same, because it isn't even a valid argument as to which player is better. Are you saying Aldridge is better than Amare? If so state it. Amare would be an upgrade across the board. Amare has been to several all star games, and those visits to it, are not flukes. He also has vast playoff experience, and would be a valid 2nd scorer with Brandon, where we cannot depend on Aldridge right now in that arena, and the games right now where he should be stepping up, but is instead choosing to step out, are prime examples of that. I also don't buy the Aldridge being hurt for the games right now. Earlier this season, maybe. But he appears to be moving fine to me. He just isnt' getting it done.

The facts are when Roy is out, our 2nd scorer should be getting into the 20's every night. It's not happening. That is because we don't have a second scorer.

I'm not saying Aldridge is a better player. Why are you asking me to state something I am not making an argument for?
My discussion was on rebounding, and your rebuttal was you watch the games, and then go on for a long paragraph about scoring, all star games, and playoffs, as opposed to disputing rebounding stats.

Fair enough. I guess we can try the reverse. Aldridge is a better scorer than Amare. Don't show me PPG stats. Stats don't matter. Aldridge is better. Stupid, isn't it?

 

[handiman]

I actually expect a change of scenery to up his effort. See the way I look at it, the last 2 years with all the bullshit going on in PHX, he has not given it his best effort. Would you if your name had been up in trade rumors every year the last 3 years?

It's obvious from several threads that you have a very low opinion of Phoenix. Fair enough. But I strongly disagree with the notion that players, Amare included, do not enjoy playing there. The direction of the team and management's cost cutting is one thing, but I've never heard anything short of positive when it comes to the experience on the court. Mostly due to playing with Nash, of course.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I actually expect a change of scenery to up his effort. See the way I look at it, the last 2 years with all the bullshit going on in PHX, he has not given it his best effort. Would you if your name had been up in trade rumors every year the last 3 years? I would expect him to head back towards his 25 point and 9.6 rebound year, but with less scoring.

This is a good point.

When Jackson moved from the fast-paced Warriors to the slower Bobcats, many people predicted his performance would drop off. In fact, he has played very well. You can quibble over his stats, but when you actually watch him play, it certainly appears he is playing harder and smarter.

If Amare is traded to a team like the Spurs, I would bet he becomes a better player - even if his scoring suffers.