OT: Tyreke Evans

[THE HCP]

I will admit, I knew nothing about this kid coming into this year, but he is special. His game reminds me a lot of Brandon's. He is on his way to doing something that only 3, that's right 3 players in the history of the NBA were able to do. Average 20 points/ 5 rebs/ and 5 dimes their rookie season. 'Bron, MJ and Oscar Robertson! I don't care what you think, That is amazing!

 

[ABM]

I will admit, I knew nothing about this kid coming into this year, but he is special. His game reminds me a lot of Brandon's. He is on his way to doing something that only 3, that's right 3 players in the history of the NBA were able to do. Average 20 points/ 5 rebs/ and 5 dimes their rookie season. 'Bron, MJ and Oscar Robertson! I don't care what you think, That is amazing!

Not to discount his accomplishments, but when you play on a crappy team like the Kings, it helps getting those types of numbers a bit easier.

 

[DaRizzle]

Not to discount his accomplishments, but when you play on a crappy team like the Kings, it helps getting those types of numbers a bit easier.

You're right...Chris Paul sucks too

(I think what you say can sometimes have merit, just not in this case)

 

[THE HCP]

Agreed, but look at all the players that have played on shitty teams who DID NOT average those kinda' numbers.

 

[ABM]

Agreed, but look at all the players that have played on shitty teams who DID NOT average those kinda' numbers.

Nahh, no doubt Evans is uber talented. Wish he were a Blazer.

Ooops, we have Roy!!

Never mind.

 

[THE HCP]

They think highly enough of his overall game to get rid of KMart. I am looking forward to watching him and brandon go at it next week.

 

[oldmangrouch]

A little anectdote about Evans.

Before the draft, there was a multi-team workout for top PG candidates. Curry, Flynn, Lawson, and Jennings were all there. A writer from DraftExpress got to sit with the scouts and watch.

They put the players thru solo drills, 1-on-1 drills, and 3-on-3 drills. The writer went in a huge fan of Jennings....but admited that Evans just dominated everyone.

Before reading that, I was in the same boat as "THE" - I really didn't know much about him. Then again, the writer was a guy who follows this stuff, and even he seemed surprised at just how good Evans was! It seems he was a pleasant surprise to many people.

Just as an aside: Jennings sucked in the solo drills, pouting and refusing to follow directions. He did little in the 1-on-1 drills. Then he went into the 3-on-3 drills and looked great. A good example of why they run these guys thru such a variety of tests.

 

[GoBlazersGo]

If you've never seen the documentary film "Gunnin' For That #1 Spot," you should check it out. I thought Tyreke kind of stole the show during the segment that highlighted him. I'd read some pretty glowing reports on him, prior to that, but he was definitely a player I was watching from that point on. I thought it was crazy, in the weeks leading up to the draft, that numerous mocks had him in the mid-to-late lottery.

The part of the film that shows the actual game, in NYC, I thought was a little boring. It was the player profile segments I found to be the most interesting/revealing (positively, for most, and not so much for others--yeah, I'm lookin' at you, "Super Cool Beas'" ).

 

[J_Ray]

I remember a thread at the beginning of the year where a majority of you guys thought I was crazy for saying Evans has the possibility of being better than Roy. Where are all those haters now that called him Larry Hughes v2.0?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I thought he looked very average in Summer League. I think I called him "a bigger Jarrett Jack". I remain unconvinced that he's a point guard. He's certainly putting up nice numbers, but then again, it is a guard's league now that you can't handcheck. However, Shane Battier just locked him up last night.

He's a rich man's OJ Mayo. There, I think that's about right.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If you've never seen the documentary film "Gunnin' For That #1 Spot," you should check it out. I thought Tyreke kind of stole the show during the segment that highlighted him.

Didn't Bayless win co-MVP in the actual game?

 

[Sex Panther]

I thought he looked very average in Summer League. I think I called him "a bigger Jarrett Jack". I remain unconvinced that he's a point guard. He's certainly putting up nice numbers, but then again, it is a guard's league now that you can't handcheck. However, Shane Battier just locked him up last night.

He's a rich man's OJ Mayo. There, I think that's about right.

They've really laid off with the handchecking rules the past couple years. That excuse is moot.

 

[J_Ray]

I thought he looked very average in Summer League. I think I called him "a bigger Jarrett Jack". I remain unconvinced that he's a point guard. He's certainly putting up nice numbers, but then again, it is a guard's league now that you can't handcheck. However, Shane Battier just locked him up last night.

He's a rich man's OJ Mayo. There, I think that's about right.

That's why they traded Kevin Martin and put Evans @ SG....

Another aspect that might be overlooked is that Evans usually guards the best perimeter player of the other team either it be the PG or one of the swingmen. Chris Paul gave him props earlier in the year in one of their match-ups.

 

[hasoos]

Not to discount his accomplishments, but when you play on a crappy team like the Kings, it helps getting those types of numbers a bit easier.

At the same time, that isn't the point. The point is look at the company he is in. Because I can tell you right now, that when Lebron and Jordan were rookies, their teams were brutally bad. So when he is included in a rare list of rookies that averaged that stat line, I think he is in good company. They were all on bad teams their rookie year. It is rare a good team gets a high draft pick like that.

 

[HailBlazers]

Plus this is the NBA, the competition is the same no matter what team you play on, anytime a rookie comes in and does that it's special. R.O.Y. without a doubt

 

[MARIS61]

Tyreke is the first player to remind me of Magic.

 

[jlprk]

I remember a thread at the beginning of the year where a majority of you guys thought I was crazy for saying Evans has the possibility of being better than Roy. Where are all those haters now that called him Larry Hughes v2.0?

A wise man once said, "Link?" Evans is making the season endurable in Northern California. The Kings are mired in the same arena war the Sonics went through, but these owners can afford to stretch out the struggle for years. Also, one of Stern's best friends isn't looking for a team this time. Also, the Warriors keep talking about moving within the Bay Area but never do.

 

[J_Ray]

A wise man once said, "Link?" Evans is making the season endurable in Northern California. The Kings are mired in the same arena war the Sonics went through, but these owners can afford to stretch out the struggle for years. Also, one of Stern's best friends isn't looking for a team this time. Also, the Warriors keep talking about moving within the Bay Area but never do.

Okay I lied, I was arguing with Mixum...

But ya, I was still right except the part of Kevin Martin helping

 

[handiman]

Ok, I'll ask the elephant in the room question... Sure, 20/5/5 as a rookie is rare, but is it special? 20 pts and 5 assists, or 20 pts and 5 boards is nothing out of the ordinary for a top rookie. It's just that the combination of all three happens very seldom. But so what? It's not like his numbers are off the charts in any of the three categories... It's just very solid across the board. Why is that so special?

 

[THE HCP]

Ok, I'll ask the elephant in the room question... Sure, 20/5/5 as a rookie is rare, but is it special? 20 pts and 5 assists, or 20 pts and 5 boards is nothing out of the ordinary for a top rookie. It's just that the combination of all three happens very seldom. But so what? It's not like his numbers are off the charts in any of the three categories... It's just very solid across the board. Why is that so special?

Really? How about the fact that only 3 players have ever done it? That seems to make it "kinda" special don't you think?

 

[handiman]

Really? How about the fact that only 3 players have ever done it? That seems to make it "kinda" special don't you think?

No, that makes it rare, not necessarily special. I thought I already explained that...

 

[THE HCP]

So your telling me that only 4 people in the history have had a quadruple double and that is not special!?

 

[MickZagger]

So your telling me that only 4 people in the history have had a quadruple double and that is not special!?

Since Alvin Roberston and Nate Thurmond got quadruple doubles, I would say they were good, but not great.

 

[J_Ray]

Ok, I'll ask the elephant in the room question... Sure, 20/5/5 as a rookie is rare, but is it special? 20 pts and 5 assists, or 20 pts and 5 boards is nothing out of the ordinary for a top rookie. It's just that the combination of all three happens very seldom. But so what? It's not like his numbers are off the charts in any of the three categories... It's just very solid across the board. Why is that so special?

Are you pullin' my leg?

Last time I checked, 20 ppg is pretty great....while 5 rebounds a game is pretty good for a guy that was playing PG....and now that he is SG, 5 assists per game is pretty much above average. When you are getting props from Chris Paul, Jerry Sloan, and leading your team back from 35 pt deficits...you're pretty good unless I'm missing something Too bad those are only rookie numbers on a shitty team, guess they don't mean anything

 

[Denny Crane]

I will admit, I knew nothing about this kid coming into this year, but he is special. His game reminds me a lot of Brandon's. He is on his way to doing something that only 3, that's right 3 players in the history of the NBA were able to do. Average 20 points/ 5 rebs/ and 5 dimes their rookie season. 'Bron, MJ and Oscar Robertson! I don't care what you think, That is amazing!

Tyreke's agent called and said you have to call him "Tyreke"

Only you though.

 

[handiman]

Are you pullin' my leg?

Last time I checked, 20 ppg is pretty great....while 5 rebounds a game is pretty good for a guy that was playing PG....and now that he is SG, 5 assists per game is pretty much above average. When you are getting props from Chris Paul, Jerry Sloan, and leading your team back from 35 pt deficits...you're pretty good unless I'm missing something Too bad those are only rookie numbers on a shitty team, guess they don't mean anything

I'm not disagreeing with any of those assessments. I'm just asking whether he's historically great, as suggested by the rarity of 20/5/5. I never said he isn't good or even very good.

 

[Masbee]

Really? How about the fact that only 3 players have ever done it? That seems to make it "kinda" special don't you think?

No, it doesn't.

Think. Rare and Special are two different thoughts.

Some fans, most especially baseball fans are so caught up in numbers that they often celebrate rare.

In Evan's case, he is having a rare statistical season. He is most definately NOT having a Special rookie season. A very good one. Rookie of the Year good in a year that there are no other rookies having an excellent rookie campaign. Best of the Year is not Special.

Players who had Special rookie seasons include:

Chris Paul
Tim Duncan
Chris Webber
Shaq
Hakeem
David Robinson (check out his rookie numbers. They are INSANE!)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robinda01.html
Michael Jordan (same, same)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html
Larry Bird
Magic
Kareem
and catch this murderer's row of Special rookies three years running back in the 50's:
Elgin Baylor, then
Wilt Chamberlin, then
Oscar Robertson

By the way, LeBron had a decent rookie season, excellent considering his age, but not qualifying as Special, despite the whole 20-5-5 thing, which is nothing more than coincidental noise.

There are other modern era rookies that had better rookie season's than Evans that fell short of special: Pau Gasol, Elton Brand, Vince Carter, Steve Francis, Grant Hill (19.9! - 6.4 - 5.0), Larry Johnson, Penny Hardaway, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley.

No, sorry, Evan's rookie season is far from Special.

 

[STOMP]

Plus this is the NBA, the competition is the same no matter what team you play on, anytime a rookie comes in and does that it's special. R.O.Y. without a doubt

If he's even leading Stephen Curry it's by a hair. I've followed both pretty close as they're on my fantasy squad... Steph has really come on of late. Dude is a solid playmaker/floor general with a great stroke.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...m=0&p1=evansty01&y1=2010&p2=curryst01&y2=2010

STOMP

 

[axs88]

No, sorry, Evan's rookie season is far from Special.

I'd have to agree. He's having a Brandon Roy level rookie season when you look at advanced stats. Very good, yes. We knew Roy was a find, but it didn't seem likely he would make the jump to a 22-24 PER level player by his third and fourth year, considering his age.

Given Evans's age (20), he looks extremely promising, a big surprise and a great candidate for ROY, but let's not get carried away with putting him with Lebron and Oscar, saying only three players have averaged this and that. I've always found those stats pretty misleading, as you can set the levels right at said player's averages in every category and narrow the list down, while there could be lots of players who averaged 20/6/4, 18/8/3, 22/10/2 etc.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I wonder if OKC regrets taking Harden over Evans yet?