OT: Vince Carter to Cleveland?

[KingSpeed]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/82745-the-cavs-want-vince-carter

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/24099667/

Would that put LeBron and the Cavs over the top?

 

[THE HCP]

depends on what they give up.

 

[Natebishop3]

Does Cleveland have anything to trade?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ironically, it's most likely a cap clearing measure by New Jersey to help them go after a BIG name free agent next summer - such as LeBron. If Cleveland does it, they better win THIS season, because it might be LeBron's last in a Cavs jersey.

Seems like kind of an odd deal for both teams. Why would New Jersey want to help make Cleveland a contender when it might make LeBron decide to stay where he is if he feels the Cavs have a legitimate shot at a title in the next couple years. I don't think it does, but it certianly makes them better and likely to go deeper in the play-offs.

And, even if the trade makes Cleveland a better team short term, why would they want to help enable another bidder in next summer's Lebron bidding war?

BNM

 

[Natebishop3]

Let's say LeBron goes to New Jersey... who else is even on that team besides Devin Harris? Adding LeBron to Jersey hardly makes them a contender. It just seems like it would be a step back for him.

 

[GMJ]

Does Cleveland have anything to trade?

No

Let's say LeBron goes to New Jersey... who else is even on that team besides Devin Harris? Adding LeBron to Jersey hardly makes them a contender. It just seems like it would be a step back for him.

Brook Lopez, CDR, Yi, Ryan Anderson all aged 3 more years.

As Mynets likes to point out, Cleveland without Lebron is far less attractive than the Nets are. You can't just compare Lebron's Cavs to the current Nets. Lebron's Nets would dominate.

 

[Natebishop3]

No



Brook Lopez, CDR, Yi, Ryan Anderson all aged 3 more years.

As Mynets likes to point out, Cleveland without Lebron is far less attractive than the Nets are. You can't just compare Lebron's Cavs to the current Nets. Lebron's Nets would dominate.

I'm not really so sure. Harris is a stud, but I'm not sold on Yi or Brook Lopez yet. They have potential, but that's an awful lot of youth surrounding LeBron. LBJ wants to win now, not three years from now. Of course, you will probably have a high lottery pick this summer... so maybe you can add at leasts one more really good player via the draft.

 

[GMJ]

I probably meant to say 2 years.

They're not pieces now, but in 2 years, they probably will be given the impact they're already having now.

LBJ wants to win now, and he wants to win in a couple more years. I'm not sure where you were going with that. His desire to win-now isn't relevant to his free agency 2 years from now.

 

[Natebishop3]

I probably meant to say 2 years.

They're not pieces now, but in 2 years, they probably will be given the impact they're already having now.

LBJ wants to win now, and he wants to win in a couple more years. I'm not sure where you were going with that. His desire to win-now isn't relevant to his free agency 2 years from now.

"Win Now" doesn't go away. Not now and not two years from now. In fact, it will be more so in two years. My point is this, how likely is it that LeBron will go to a team that is full of young prospects over a team that is already a contender? I'm not trying to punch holes in your plan, I'm just saying that you better hope your prospects pan out in two years or I think it will be very difficult to lure LeBron. Of course, you're in the east so anything can happen. The Hawks got in the playoffs and they were pretty much only a bunch of young talent surrounding Joe Johnson and Mike Bibby.

 

[GMJ]

Well they won't be young prospects in 2 years. Besides that, I think we can both agree that the chances the Nets get Lebron is based on a LOT of "ifs."

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I don't understand this move for Cleveland. Carter is on the cusp of declining and has a horrribly large contract.

 

[KingSpeed]

Let's say LeBron goes to New Jersey... who else is even on that team besides Devin Harris? Adding LeBron to Jersey hardly makes them a contender. It just seems like it would be a step back for him.

Yi. Brooke Lopez. Josh Boone. Decent pieces.

 

[KingSpeed]

I don't understand this move for Cleveland. Carter is on the cusp of declining and has a horrribly large contract.

It's a chance to have another superstar to play alongside LeBron.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

It's a chance to have another superstar to play alongside LeBron.

Carter used to be a superstar. Solid player but far from a superstar.

..But he's being paid like he's a superstar. I guess that evens it out.

 

[Minstrel]

Carter used to be a superstar. Solid player but far from a superstar.

..But he's being paid like he's a superstar. I guess that evens it out.

He's still a star. His base statistics are 24 PPG / 5 APG / 4 RPG. And that's on 47% FG%, which is excellent for a perimeter player.

In terms of more advanced stats, like PER (which is minutes- and pace-adjusted), he's clocking in at 23.4. All-Star level is roughly 20.0 PER and superstars are generally at 25 PER and above. And his TS% (essentially a FG% adjusted for three-point shots being worth more and free throws) is .571 which is excellent.

As a second option to LeBron James, he'd be one of the best second bananas in the league.

 

[rocketeer]

no way would the nets give the cavs vince carter and kill any chance there was of lebron leaving cleveland.

 

[KingSpeed]

no way would the nets give the cavs vince carter and kill any chance there was of lebron leaving cleveland.

Do you think the Nets really have a chance as it is? I think LeBron should stay with Cleveland. It's his home town. This isn't just about winning a championship. This is about being born in Ohio, growing up, and taking the hometown team from dead last to the promised land. If he pulls that off (and he has come oh so close in such a short little time), then he will have pulled off one of the great feats in sports and he should look for that to be his legacy.

And he'll probably do it. And that's why it might suck to be a Blazers fan over the next few years. I'm worried we'll get to the Finals and get spanked by him year after year. Let that not be true. Let us, at least, split hardware every other year with LeBron.

 

[Natebishop3]

Do you think the Nets really have a chance as it is? I think LeBron should stay with Cleveland. It's his home town. This isn't just about winning a championship. This is about being born in Ohio, growing up, and taking the hometown team from dead last to the promised land. If he pulls that off (and he has come oh so close in such a short little time), then he will have pulled off one of the great feats in sports and he should look for that to be his legacy.

And he'll probably do it. And that's why it might suck to be a Blazers fan over the next few years. I'm worried we'll get to the Finals and get spanked by him year after year. Let that not be true. Let us, at least, split hardware every other year with LeBron.

Not to worry Eric, for we have the twin towers, and Mt. Oden will stand in the way of any Championship hopes of King James

 

[KingSpeed]

this reminds me of 20 years ago. I was a big Jordan fan and I wanted him to win it, but as the Blazers emerged, Jordan became the villain and then he won 6 titles and I was miserable about all 6. I worry this will happen now. I've been a big fan of LeBron and now I worry he'll finally win but I'll be miserable. I'll hold onto what you said. Oden will stop him at the basket. Those will be some great finals games. Hopefully, a Cleveland/Portland rivalry can get ratings.

 

[GMJ]

Oden will be out with an injury

 

[BlazerFanForLife]

If Cleveland does get Vince they will have one of the best starting lineups in the League and should be even more favored than the Celtics since they already play great defence but have been missing offensive weapons. If i was Cleveland I'd get Vince if it didnt give up any of the starters except Ben Wallace.
Mo Williams,
Vince Carter,
Lebron James,
Ben Wallace,
Z. Ilgaskas.


My best guess at the trade would be,
Cater + Sean Williams for Wally Szerbiak + JJ.Hickson + Sasha Kaun (rights held by Cleveland)

 

[bbwchingy0007]

Does Cleveland have anything to trade?

No

That's not entirely true, they have probably the best expiring contract of this season (Wally Szczerbiak - $13m) and have the likes of Anderson Varejao, JJ Hickson and maybe Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic (remember the Finals run - if he can recapture that form he would be a great asset to any side).

If Cleveland does get Vince they will have one of the best starting lineups in the League and should be even more favored than the Celtics since they already play great defence but have been missing offensive weapons. If i was Cleveland I'd get Vince if it didnt give up any of the starters except Ben Wallace.
Mo Williams,
Vince Carter,
Lebron James,
Ben Wallace,
Z. Ilgaskas.


My best guess at the trade would be,
Cater + Sean Williams for Wally Szerbiak + JJ.Hickson + Sasha Kaun (rights held by Cleveland)

The problem with getting Vince with Szczerbiak's contract is that it eliminates the chance of getting some other player with it. Vince is a good option, but if I was Danny Ferry it would be my backup plan. What the Cavs don't need is an ailing player who is past his prime and declining. What they need is a player in a similar mould to Mo Williams, just better; a player just entering his prime with good offensive skills and the ability to create their own shot. Throw in better defence, and that's what the Cavs need - not Vince.

 

[Dumpy]

Don't worry; the Nets are not going to trade Vince Carter. He is a great, great player and a terrific teammate. I think the Nets are a borderline playoff team right now--despite what the "experts" have said about them--and that they will really explode next season.

vince is still a stud. Name another star player that is more concerned with sharing the ball and getting assists than he is? He doesn't care about stats; he cares about winning, which requires that he share the ball and get the kids involved. He is happily serving as both the starting SG AND the backup PG. He is a great mentor to the young kids. And he is playing pretty strong defense.

The Nets' backcourt of Devin Harris and Vince Carter, with Dooling as the primary backup, is one of the best in the league in my view. Devin and Vince mesh very well with each other.

The game tonight (against Cleveland) will be fun to watch, so you can see that he really hasn't lost anything. I'm guessing that these rumours have started as a result of this game.

 

[Dumpy]

Many league insiders feel that Vince Carter is the last piece that the Nets have to unload to complete their overhaul. The Nets rebuilding process does not include Carter, who clearly is on the downside of his career.

[from bleacher report]

What a joke. Clearly on the downside of his career? "Complete their overhaul?" This clown is just making things up and selling it as news. Vince is NOT on the downside of his career. He played two-thirds of last season on an ankle that needed surgery! Despite that, he has missed something like just ten games since becoming a Net four or five years ago.

It makes no sense for the Nets to trade Carter "just because." Kidd forced his way out of town by acting like a petulent crybaby, and the Nets got a huge haul in return. There were allegedly internal issues with Richard Jefferson, and it was clear that he was not a good mesh with Carter (not to mention that he refused to play defense). They also traded an injury-prone player at the absolute height of his value.

Again, it is FAR more likely, in my view, that the Nets ACQUIRE an impact player than deal Vince.

 

[BatumKaboom]

Interesting. I would like to see it happen. But I don't think Carter and LeBron pushes anyone over the top. I am not saying Kidd is LeBron, but when Kidd was with Carter. They couldn't seal the deal. LeBron came just as close as Kidd, Carter and Jefferson with no one.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

this reminds me of 20 years ago. I was a big Jordan fan and I wanted him to win it, but as the Blazers emerged, Jordan became the villain and then he won 6 titles and I was miserable about all 6. I worry this will happen now. I've been a big fan of LeBron and now I worry he'll finally win but I'll be miserable. I'll hold onto what you said. Oden will stop him at the basket. Those will be some great finals games. Hopefully, a Cleveland/Portland rivalry can get ratings.

Jordan is and was a horses behind, LeBron isn't (yet, anyway).

 

[rocketeer]

Do you think the Nets really have a chance as it is? I think LeBron should stay with Cleveland. It's his home town. This isn't just about winning a championship. This is about being born in Ohio, growing up, and taking the hometown team from dead last to the promised land. If he pulls that off (and he has come oh so close in such a short little time), then he will have pulled off one of the great feats in sports and he should look for that to be his legacy.

And he'll probably do it. And that's why it might suck to be a Blazers fan over the next few years. I'm worried we'll get to the Finals and get spanked by him year after year. Let that not be true. Let us, at least, split hardware every other year with LeBron.

i absolutely don't think lebron with leave unless the cavs do so really stupid things between now and then.

but i still don't see teams like the nets going out of their way to ensure that he stays in cleveland by making them the favorite to win the title this year.