OT: What a damn coward!

[NJNetz]

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[rocketeer]

honestly, kmart is a grown man. he's 31 years old. commenting to his mom that he's a thug shouldn't be an issue at all. cuban shouldn't have done it because there simply isn't any point to it, but it's not like he did some terrible thing.

 

[rocketeer]

Furthermore, apologizing in a blog is even more pussy. He is just hoping it will go away with this half assed apology. He knows Kmart and his family isnt taking up on dinner or game tickets...its all a show for the media.

he didn't offer them game tickets. he said that during game 6(if there is one) in dallas the families of nuggets players can sit in his personal suite or he can get them their own suite so they don't have to deal with the abuse from the crowd they dealt with in game 4. it had nothing to do with his apology.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Given that Blazer fans used to call their own players "thugs" and "punks" every time they got a parking ticket, I have trouble getting too upset about this story.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't see anything wrong with what Cuban did.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4160606

Cuban stalked across the court, blew off steam at the scorer's table, then headed down a hall leading away from the court. Martin's mother, Lydia Moore, was wearing a Nuggets jersey and was standing near the base of the section he walked past, clearly in his view.

It's not like he sought out Martin's mother. He saw her as he was leaving the floor and he made a comment. I could think of worse things to say to someone about their son, and "punk" doesn't even make the list.

With that said, Martin's reply is waaaaaay worse. He verbally threatened Cuban, used a homophobic slur, and did it all while walking off the court. What do you think of that Crand?

 

[SnakeOiler]

Calling someone a coward doesn't mean dick. I love it when someone calls me a coward. I means they got the point.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't see anything wrong with what Cuban did.

I do. He crossed a line. He insulted someone's family. In particular, his mother. By calling her son a punk/thug to her face, his is calling her bad parent. He had no right to disrespect her like that. If he he a problem with K-Mart, he should take it up with K-Mart, not his mother. It's inappropriate, rude and cowardly. To me, it shows me Mark Cuban's mom didn't exactly do a good job teaching her son manners and acceptable social behavior.

It's not like he sought out Martin's mother. He saw her as he was leaving the floor and he made a comment. I could think of worse things to say to someone about their son, and "punk" doesn't even make the list.

Why disrespect and insult her at all? Cuban had a beef with K-Mart, not his mom. Either confront Martin directly, or keep your big, rude mouth shut.

With that said, Martin's reply is waaaaaay worse. He verbally threatened Cuban, used a homophobic slur, and did it all while walking off the court.

While I find Martin's choice of words both vulgar and offensive, I understand his motivation. He was sticking up for his mother. If someone treated my mother with disrespect, I would have lashed out at them, too - probably both verbally and physically.

Still, two wrongs don't make a right. In addition to the offensive nature of the words Martin used, I also question the particular combination. Isn't "***got motherfucker": an oxymoron. ***got fatherfucker would be more consistent (but no less offensive).

Edit: Wow, S2 doesn't censor motherfucker, but blocks the other word K-Mart used. I actually didn't think they censored anything around here. Guess I was wrong.

BNM

 

[rocketeer]

I do. He crossed a line. He insulted someone's family. In particular, his mother. By calling her son a punk/thug to her face, his is calling her bad parent. He had no right to disrespect her like that. If he he a problem with K-Mart, he should take it up with K-Mart, not his mother. It's inappropriate, rude and cowardly. To me, it shows me Mark Cuban's mom didn't exactly do a good job teaching her son manners and acceptable social behavior.

cuban insulted kmart, not kmart's family. saying that kmart is a thug doesn't say anything about his mother. someone can be a thug on their own without bad parenting(especially when we're talking about a 31 year old man).

inappropriate and rude? sure. there was no reason for cuban's actions. should this have been a big deal? no. and nothing about it is cowardly.

 

[Boob-No-More]

cuban insulted kmart, not kmart's family. saying that kmart is a thug doesn't say anything about his mother. someone can be a thug on their own without bad parenting(especially when we're talking about a 31 year old man).

By directing his comments to Kenyon Martin's mother, he was being rude a disrespectful to her. His comments may have been ABOUT K-Mart, but they were directed AT his mother.

inappropriate and rude? sure. there was no reason for cuban's actions. should this have been a big deal? no. and nothing about it is cowardly.

I actually find it incredibly cowardly. If Cuban has an issue with Kenyon Martin, he should take it up with Kenyon Martin directly, not Kenyon Martin's mother. Seriously, if you had a problem with a co-worker, would confront them directly, our would you tell their mommy.

I also think apologizing through is blog shows what an arrogant, self-important little prick Cuban is. Does he actually think Kenyon Martin's mother reads that self-absorbed whine fest? The world doesn't revolve around Mark Cuban and his blog. I'm sure posting his "apology" on his blog drove up traffic to his site, which was most likely the real goal of posting it there in the first place. More hits to puff up his already overinflated ego. If his apology would have been sincere, he would have addressed Martin's mother directly, not the entire blogosphere. It's just more, hey-look-at-me behavior from the spoiled, self-centered rich kid.

BNM

 

[rocketeer]

I actually find it incredibly cowardly. If Cuban has an issue with Kenyon Martin, he should take it up with Kenyon Martin directly, not Kenyon Martin's mother. Seriously, if you had a problem with a co-worker, would confront them directly, our would you tell their mommy.

i'm sure at the time mark cuban would have had no problem letting kmart know that he's a thug.

I also think apologizing through is blog shows what an arrogant, self-important little prick Cuban is. Does he actually think Kenyon Martin's mother reads that self-absorbed whine fest? The world doesn't revolve around Mark Cuban and his blog. I'm sure posting his "apology" on his blog drove up traffic to his site, which was most likely the real goal of posting it there in the first place. More hits to puff up his already overinflated ego. If his apology would have been sincere, he would have addressed Martin's mother directly, not the entire blogosphere. It's just more, hey-look-at-me behavior from the spoiled, self-centered rich kid.

that paragraph is garbage. cuban can apologize through the blog not because he expects kmart's mother to read it but because after the media story that was already made of it, the apology will get to her. there's nothing arrogant or self important about it.

 

[Sinobas]

So what?

I get the fact it's his perferred way of communicating, but in addition to a public apology, he needs to have a sit down with KM and even take the beat down if necessary.

I even think his comments went so far as to incite some of the stuff that happened last night.

Cuban has a lot to answer to for all this.

He should take a beat down from his thug mom? It's not like he called K-Mart a fucking ****** who he'd like to muder him and his family and piss all over their graves, or kidnapped him after the game and dipped him into a pool of pig shit. That might call for a personal apology.

But ladies, cut back on all the drama...he called him a "thug".

 

[hasoos]

When I was watching NBA on TNT last night Barkley said he had talked to Cuban, and that Cuban had actually tried to phone them to apologize, but nobody picked up. He tried calling Kmart directly, tried calling his agent to get phone numbers, all multiple times. He also said he did not go up to her to apologize directly because he was concerned it would inflame the situation because Kmart is a very emotional guy who might just go ballistic for him even walking up to his mom now. Now that being said, it just goes to show how much the people on this board really know about what is going on, and how much it can be overblown.

 

[STOMP]

Please - Don Nelson?

Don Nelson fucked up every situation he was in - Mark Cuban or not (See GSW this year).

huh? While coach/GM at Dallas (who'd been wallowing sub 500 forever prior to him) didn't he trade Tractor Traylor for Dirk and Pat Garrity for Steve Nash? They didn't win a championship, but taking a team from pathetic to regular contender doesn't seem like fucking up a situation to me. Nash eventually left for bigger money in Phoenix but the Mavs have remained a playoff club, even post DN.

The W's were also pathetic when he arrived for his 2nd stint with them going 12 years without a playoff appearance... which was also a Nelson coached team. Without a decent frontcourt, they made an unlikely playoff run in 2007 but have been targeting young Bigs since. While they have taken a step back of late (especially last year when they were ravaged by injury) I mostly like the personnel moves they've made especially Anthony Randolph who flashed considerable promise despite being the youngest player in the league. If they fare better with their collective health next season, I could easily see their young roster making the playoffs again.

I'm not a huge Nellie guy or anything, but dude is a lock for the HOF as a coach. He's never won it all, but many times he's managed to win with lessor players/talent.

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

What a coward. He said it as he was walking away. That poor Mark Cuban. Kenyon martin owes him a public apology! NOW!

Fuck Kenyon Martin. He is a thug. He's a piece of shit. And he shows his class there. Thanks for that video.

Kenyon does this with a huge camera right in his face while Cuban is on the other end of the court and probably out of earshot. Later he says that he doesn't conduct his business through the media like Cuban and is more of a face to face kind of guy. I can't say I'm much of a fan of KM's game or how he conducts himself.

As for apologizing in his blog, this feud is in public and that is a way to address the public. Offering a public apology to KM's mother there does not mean that he hasn't spoken to her privately as well.

STOMP

 

[andalusian]

huh? While coach/GM at Dallas (who'd been wallowing sub 500 forever prior to him) didn't he trade Tractor Traylor for Dirk and Pat Garrity for Steve Nash? They didn't win a championship, but taking a team from pathetic to regular contender doesn't seem like fucking up a situation to me. Nash eventually left for bigger money in Phoenix but the Mavs have remained a playoff club, even post DN.

The W's were also pathetic when he arrived for his 2nd stint with them going 12 years without a playoff appearance... which was also a Nelson coached team. Without a decent frontcourt, they made an unlikely playoff run in 2007 but have been targeting young Bigs since. While they have taken a step back of late (especially last year when they were ravaged by injury) I mostly like the personnel moves they've made especially Anthony Randolph who flashed considerable promise despite being the youngest player in the league. If they fare better with their collective health next season, I could easily see their young roster making the playoffs again.

I'm not a huge Nellie guy or anything, but dude is a lock for the HOF as a coach. He's never won it all, but many times he's managed to win with lessor players/talent.

Dude is a lock to HOF - I also do not disagree with your assessment of him doing great stuff for bad teams - but he always goes on after that and screws it up. This is just a reasonable assessment of him - he did manage to get into fights with Cuban when he was there, he did manage to throw Mullin that built the team that he was so successful with in GSW under the bus.

Nellie is a less successful version of Larry Brown - he does great for a short time and then finds a way to fuck it up. Simple as that.

 

[crandc]

Nellie is a less successful version of Larry Brown - he does great for a short time and then finds a way to fuck it up. Simple as that.

Absolutely, but in a much shorter window. Nelson's teams always follow the same pattern. Overachieve the first year and everyone sings his praises. Next year they fall back but are still pretty good and the decline can be blamed on an injury or something. Next year they stink. Next year the team stops listening to him.

 

[STOMP]

Dude is a lock to HOF - I also do not disagree with your assessment of him doing great stuff for bad teams - but he always goes on after that and screws it up. This is just a reasonable assessment of him - he did manage to get into fights with Cuban when he was there, he did manage to throw Mullin that built the team that he was so successful with in GSW under the bus.

I'm not sure how he threw Mullin under the bus. Popular sentiment here by the Bay is that W's team president Robert Rowell has done this over consistent clashes in the club's direction/moves.

Nellie is a less successful version of Larry Brown - he does great for a short time and then finds a way to fuck it up. Simple as that.

again, I wouldn't characterize the situation he left the Mavs in as fucked up, nor would I say that about the W's current situation. The situation when he left the W's in the first time was a complete mess, but that was more on the Warrior's idiot owner Chris Cohan then Nelson who was the public fall guy. It was Cohan who lowballed Chris Weber after he achieved an out in his contract following his rookie year, daring him to take a series of minimum contracts with another club. The Richmond for rookie Billy Owens trade was on GM Nelson, but at the time I thought it was a reasonable roll of the dice. Mullin was fading physically and Warriors needed another forward. They had too many guards and the highly touted Owens consistent injuries couldn't have been predicted.

We'll just have to see how the W's fare next year to see if your short time model fits. Given health, I think they'll be pretty decent.

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

Kenyon Martin is a thug and is a douchebag. The truth hurts. At least Cuban didn't bring up the time where Martin made fun of Alonzo Mourning's kidney disease. Martin's mommy needs to calm down.

 

[STOMP]

Kenyon keeping it classy

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

Kenyon keeping it classy

STOMP

Why does Cuban have to apologize for accurately describing Kenyon Martin to his mother?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Why does Cuban have to apologize for accurately describing Kenyon Martin to his mother?

I would change this, if I may, to this:

Why does Cuban have to apologize for accurately describing Kenyon Martin('s behavior) to (the woman who raised him)?

 

[PapaG]

I would change this, if I may, to this:

Why does Cuban have to apologize for accurately describing Kenyon Martin('s behavior) to (the woman who raised him)?

I thought Cuban called Martin a "punk", which describes him as a person and transcends his behavior alone. I happen to agree with Cuban, and Martin's actions before, during, and after this episode affirm my view of him being a punk. What was Martin's mother doing on the floor? That I don't understand, unless she was trying to drag her punk son off of the floor as he was taunting the Dallas players and (apparently) staff.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Why does Cuban have to apologize for accurately describing Kenyon Martin to his mother?

Because it was rude, inappropriate and cowardly. He doesn't have to apologize, but he should. His beef was with Martin, not his mother. If you have a problem with a co-worker, do you confront them directly, or do you shout insults at their mother?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Both parties are acting childish. Cuban should have never insulted Martin's mother, and Martin's response has been no better (perhaps he should have shouted at Cuban's mom. "You're son is a pussy").

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

What was Martin's mother doing on the floor? That I don't understand, unless she was trying to drag her punk son off of the floor as he was taunting the Dallas players and (apparently) staff.

Now you're just making things up, which does not help your "argument".

Cuban insulted Martin's mother who was in the stands near the tunnel that leads to the Mavs locker room. She was not on the court, and she was not "trying to drag her punk son off of the floor as he was taunting the Dallas players".

Feel free to share your opinions about Martin and his character, but please try to stick to the facts and not fabricate things out of thin air. It just confuses the issue.

BNM

 

[BlazerWookee]

I find it a bit difficult to believe that Cuban picked Punk Mama out of the crowd, and singled her out with an insult to her son. I wonder what she said to him first?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I find it a bit difficult to believe that Cuban picked Punk Mama out of the crowd, and singled her out with an insult to her son. I wonder what she said to him first?

He admitted to doing so to the press and on his blog.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Because it was rude, inappropriate and cowardly. He doesn't have to apologize, but he should. His beef was with Martin, not his mother. If you have a problem with a co-worker, do you confront them directly, or do you shout insults at their mother?

Two wrongs don't make a right. Both parties are acting childish. Cuban should have never insulted Martin's mother, and Martin's response has been no better (perhaps he should have shouted at Cuban's mom. "You're son is a pussy").

BNM

He didn't insult Martin's mother. He insulted Martin to his mother. Now Kenyon is acting like a baby about it. Perhaps his mother should give him a blankie and a binkie.

 

[PapaG]

Now you're just making things up, which does not help your "argument".

Cuban insulted Martin's mother who was in the stands near the tunnel that leads to the Mavs locker room. She was not on the court, and she was not "trying to drag her punk son off of the floor as he was taunting the Dallas players".

Feel free to share your opinions about Martin and his character, but please try to stick to the facts and not fabricate things out of thin air. It just confuses the issue.

BNM

I don't have an argument, other than that Martin has always been a punk. I'd say calling some one a "##$#$ fat pig" to their face is a worse offense than correctly calling someone a punk to their mother, but then again, I don't have an irrational bias against Mark Cuban, who by the way did apologize, regardless of forum.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't have an argument, other than that Martin has always been a punk. I'd say calling some one a "##$#$ fat pig" to their face is a worse offense than correctly calling someone a punk to their mother, but then again, I don't have an irrational bias against Mark Cuban, who by the way did apologize, regardless of forum.

I'm not defending Martin or his actions before, during or after this whole "incident". As I have said, two wrongs don't make a right. Regardless of Martin's behaviour, it doesn't make Cuban shouting an insult at Martin's mother appropriate or acceptable.

My so-called bias against Cuban is not irrational. I find a grown man yelling an insult at another grown man's mother to be unacceptable, childish and cowardly. If Mark Cuban has an issue with Kenyon Martin, he should take it up with Kenyon Martin - not his mother.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

I'm not defending Martin or his actions before, during or after this whole "incident". As I have said, two wrongs don't make a right. Regardless of Martin's behaviour, it doesn't make Cuban shouting an insult at Martin's mother appropriate or acceptable.

My so-called bias against Cuban is not irrational. I find a grown man yelling an insult at another grown man's mother to be unacceptable, childish and cowardly. If Mark Cuban has an issue with Kenyon Martin, he should take it up with Kenyon Martin - not his mother.
BNM

He did it and he felt bad enough about it to apologize in a public forum. Martin, meanwhile, continues to play the victim and isn't taking any responsibility for his own actions other than to pour gasoline on the fire.

He needs to focus on the Lakers, not the eccentric owner of an NBA team. He's a punk.