OT: What happened to the Hornets?

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CP3 might as well jump off that tired bandwagon and come hop on the hottest bandwagon in the nation! Trail Blazer express! All aboard!
 
Masbee said:
I never thought the Hornets would be yearly contenders. One reason:

George Shinn

There is no way that owner can maintain anything good.
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I once wrote an article on worst owners in sports and George Shinn made my list. He's a major jerkhead. On and off court, so to speak. Or perhaps I should say in and out of court.

We got embarrassed sometimes by the players, but at least our owner managed to keep himself out of public trouble.
 
BeerBoy said:
CP3 might as well jump off that tired bandwagon and come hop on the hottest bandwagon in the nation! Trail Blazer express! All aboard!
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I'd much prefer Deron to want off of his. I don't like Chris Paul at all, and would way rather Deron for our team.
 
KingSpeed said:
A) The Hornets led the Spurs last season 3-2. If that's not "posing a threat," what is?

B) The Cavs will continue to get better as young players like Delonte, Mo, Varejao, and LeBron continue to get better. As long as LeBron is a Cavalier, they will remain atop the Eastern Conference.
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A) They lead them, but they did not beat them. Right?

B) They can be atop the Eastern Conference but he isn't going to win a championship with that lineup.
 
rocketeer said:
i know you have to hate the cavs or whatever since lebron is better than kobe, but the only way the cavs aren't at the top of the east next year is if lebron gets hurt. lebron surrounded by williams, west, and gibson on the perimeter with a solid rotation of bigs and mike brown coaching the defense is definitely a top tier team and will stay one.
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I was unclear, sorry. The Cavs will remain atop the east but as long as the Lakers have Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Kobe, LeBron is going to need a better supporting cast to conquer that.

Sorry I wasn't clear. What I meant was, the Cavs aren't going to win anything if the Lakers stay healthy and keep their lineup intact unless they themselves make some changes and add another game changer to their lineup.
 
Black Mamba said:
I was unclear, sorry. The Cavs will remain atop the east but as long as the Lakers have Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Kobe, LeBron is going to need a better supporting cast to conquer that.
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It is true that the Lakers are as hot favorites to beat the Cavs as the Lakers were to beat the Celtics last year, and the Pistons the previous time they made the finals. Everybody loves them some Lakers. Except harsh cold reality that is.
 
RR7 said:
I'd much prefer Deron to want off of his. I don't like Chris Paul at all, and would way rather Deron for our team.
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No way dude. Deron is a good player, but CP3 is a future HOFer. Paul would make Greg Oden look like a fucking superstar again, and I know that Roy said he doesn't want to play with Paul, but Chris made Brandon look really good in the All-Star game. CP3 knows when and where to get people the ball.
 
If Paul came on the trade market, I'd deal Aldridge, Rudy and Bayless or something along those lines. Chris Paul, IMO, is the most talented point guard since Magic Johnson, and still so young. A Paul/Roy/Oden core would be amazing, as much as I'd hate to lose LMA. Paul and Roy would be one of the greatest backcourts in history.
 
Wow, made him look good in an All Star game? Well sign me up.
 
And I never said they couldn't co-exist. I said I would take Williams over Paul for our team.
 
Minstrel said:
If Paul came on the trade market, I'd deal Aldridge, Rudy and Bayless or something along those lines. Chris Paul, IMO, is the most talented point guard since Magic Johnson, and still so young. A Paul/Roy/Oden core would be amazing, as much as I'd hate to lose LMA. Paul and Roy would be one of the greatest backcourts in history.
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Backcourt 2000.

Oh wait.

He he. I am a huge Paul fan, and agree that Paul has the (likely) potential to go down as one top 5 point guards of all-time, and possibly even 2nd only to Magic. I think even today, some fans don't quite realize how good he is.

Trading LaMarcus, Rudy and Bayless would be really painful, but Paul is worth it. Unfortunately, I think we would be outbid by a team offering a sexier, more hyped name prospect attached to a longer cheap contract.

Two of the top 5 guards in the NBA on the same team. Jesus. Add in one of the top rebounder/defenders in Oden. Paul will create 10 easy pts per game for Oden. Double Jesus.
 
Minstrel said:
If Paul came on the trade market, I'd deal Aldridge, Rudy and Bayless or something along those lines. Chris Paul, IMO, is the most talented point guard since Magic Johnson, and still so young. A Paul/Roy/Oden core would be amazing, as much as I'd hate to lose LMA. Paul and Roy would be one of the greatest backcourts in history.
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I'd do anything to pair Paul up with Roy. They'd be crazy to deal him but with the Hornets operating in the red in the smallest market in the League, I'd say anything is possible.

Aldridge/Rudy/Bayless/Outlaw/picks. We could put together a respectable package.
 
I think you'd probably have to offer Oden instead of Aldridge, if only because Oden is cheaper and cheaper for longer, and because to get a great young PG, you probably have to give up a great young center.

That'd be a tough pill to swallow, but I'd think long and hard about it.
 
mook said:
I think you'd probably have to offer Oden instead of Aldridge, if only because Oden is cheaper and cheaper for longer, and because to get a great young PG, you probably have to give up a great young center.

That'd be a tough pill to swallow, but I'd think long and hard about it.
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I'd probably do it. We still have Joel.
 
mook said:
I think you'd probably have to offer Oden instead of Aldridge, if only because Oden is cheaper and cheaper for longer, and because to get a great young PG, you probably have to give up a great young center.

That'd be a tough pill to swallow, but I'd think long and hard about it.
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I'd do it. I've been one of Oden's biggest supporters, and I think he's a huge talent...but Paul is just as special a talent and has already reached an all-time elite level.

Paul/Roy/Aldridge/Batum is still an amazing core and still gives Portland a very talented big man.
 
Minstrel said:
I'd do it. I've been one of Oden's biggest supporters, and I think he's a huge talent...but Paul is just as special a talent and has already reached an all-time elite level.

Paul/Roy/Aldridge/Batum is still an amazing core and still gives Portland a very talented big man.
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Paul would make everyone on this team better. Even Brandon Roy.
 
julius said:
Kind of like he made Chandler and Peja better this year...oops. :devilwink:
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Chandler has been hurt this season, but Paul made Chandler look like an All-Star last season. Peja is just old.
 
Paul would improve Roy. A scary thought.

Roy would be.... scary good
 
I'm curious how effective the two of them would be without each being able to dominate the ball. And don't give me the All Star game as an example. Everyone looks good there, and ROy wasn't trying to take over and win a game.
 
RR7 said:
I'm curious how effective the two of them would be without each being able to dominate the ball. And don't give me the All Star game as an example. Everyone looks good there, and ROy wasn't trying to take over and win a game.
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Roy doesn't need to dominate the ball to be good. In fact, I think it's a detriment because it's the damn high pick and roll that gets him double teamed most of the time. The reason why I mentioned the All-Star game is because Paul had Roy spotting up for jumpers, and Roy was knocking them down. We don't see Roy spotting up much, but with a decent point guard he could get a lot of easier shots.
 
RR7 said:
I'm curious how effective the two of them would be without each being able to dominate the ball. And don't give me the All Star game as an example. Everyone looks good there, and ROy wasn't trying to take over and win a game.
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Allowing Roy to play off the ball and pick his spots would be a big benefit. I think he'd be even more efficient when he doesn't have to initiate everything. Roy could still be the closer down the stretch. Jordan and Pippen co-existed beautifully even though both their games are predicated on having the ball in their hands. Jordan benefited from having Pippen to initiate a lot of the offense, allowing Jordan to play off the ball more.
 
So Roy goes from showing he is the 3rd best SG in basketball, and has some of the best ability to take over games to being a guy spotting up for jumpers, and playing second fiddle to Paul? I don't understand how Roy dominating the ball is a detriment to the team at all.
 
Also, Roy will be playing off the ball with the improvement of Oden, with LMA and Oden posting up. The percentage of offense initiated by him will slightly decrease, as we throw the ball into the post more. I understand what you are saying about Jordan with Pippen, but they never had a very good post presence to initiate offense.
 
RR7 said:
So Roy goes from showing he is the 3rd best SG in basketball, and has some of the best ability to take over games to being a guy spotting up for jumpers, and playing second fiddle to Paul? I don't understand how Roy dominating the ball is a detriment to the team at all.
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Yeah, that's what I said. That Roy would defer to Paul and only spot up for jumpers. :sigh:

You said you didn't understand how Paul and Roy could be effective without "each being able to dominate the ball." I told you that Roy can be effective without dominating the ball. I'm not saying he wouldn't dominate the ball at times, but you made it sound like Roy can't be effective without dominating the ball.
 
This was an article from this winter from the Oregonian, If I remember correctly, where Roy was asked what PG he'd like to play with and he said Chris Paul.
 
I'm thinking with a better PG, Roy would be making more cuts to the basket, and not just waiting out on the wing all the time.
 
Entity said:
I'm thinking with a better PG, Roy would be making more cuts to the basket, and not just waiting out on the wing all the time.
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Think about how much fresher his legs would be at the end of games and at the end of the season ... hell, he'd probably be able to devote more energy to defense.
 
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