OT: Winner in the Jackson trade?

[Rastapopoulos]

Forgive me if there's a thread on this already, but I downloaded that Firefox add-on that essentially erases from all existence anything started by certain posters, so if it was started by one of them, I can't see it.

Who wins in the Warriors/Bobcats trade?
Warriors get Radmanovic (Larry soured on HIM fast) and Raja Bell
Bobcats get Jackson and Acie Law (already a journeyman, and so young...)

Jackson's got to be PISSED! But Larry probably asked Pop about him and heard good things...

I wonder if we can get Raja Bell. I know he'd have to patch things up with LaMarcus, but I love Bell's defense, and we could probably use him at backup PF for a while and watch him clothesline everybody. I could watch this all day:

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[mook]

Bell is really more of a 2/3. If we went after him, he'd be our starting SF. Tough defense, hits threes (a career .410 from three!). That's all we need in a SF right now. It'd basically be like having a taller version of Steve Blake who could also defend worth a damn. Sign me up.

But he's also 33 years old and a career PER of 11.4. *sigh* It's depressing to think Webster isn't a better option.

 

[MIXUM]

who cares.. we still need a sf

 

[illmatic99]

Damn. GS got pretty decent value. Bell is an expiring contract, and Vlad Rad has a deal that gives him $13 mil for the next two years.

In contrast, Jax still had $35 mil, through 2013.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think the winners are Boston and Orlando. The Cavs were rumored to be after him, and I think that would have pushed them over the other two late in the season.

 

[mook]

You could actually trade Outlaw + Mills straight over for Bell. Although then we'd have nobody to play backup 4 except Howard, which sucks.

Webster + Mills makes more sense for Charlotte. Two younger guys to move along with the rebuilding process. But Bell expires this year and could just walk. And we'd be giving away a lot of upside in Martell.

 

[illmatic99]

I thought this deal was done: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

Bell is now in GS.

 

[MIXUM]

upside on martell???

he is what he is at this point....

not very good and i have always supported him.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I thought this deal was done: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

Bell is now in GS.

I know - that's what I said in the first post. But GS can turn around and immediately trade Bell. And I'm not sure he's any happier to be in GS than Jackson is to be in Charlotte. (Oh - I see - you were responding to mook, who said Charlotte)

 

[mook]

I thought this deal was done: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4659552

Bell is now in GS.

Yep. My mistake.

Anyway, Raja Bell just makes so much sense to this team (and practically none to Golden State). You plug him in and bide your time until Batum can come back. Then when he returns you've got a really heated competition for that starting job, and a really high quality backup.

 

[oldmangrouch]

The only real winner here is Jackson himself.

He will never live up to his long-term deal....but don't be surprised if he goes on a tear for the rest of this season.

 

[Run BJM]

Yep. My mistake.

Anyway, Raja Bell just makes so much sense to this team (and practically none to Golden State). You plug him in and bide your time until Batum can come back. Then when he returns you've got a really heated competition for that starting job, and a really high quality backup.

Warriors aren't going to trade a 5 mil expiring contract for nothing. BTW guys Bell has a fairly bad injury that hes been playing through- I believe its a torn ligament in his wrist. There's a possibility he could just opt for surgery now, especially if GS is indicating that have zero interest in his future services and just want his deal to expire and let him walk. Doesn't make much sense for him to willingly put himself on the line for a team who's absolutely not taking him back next season.

 

[Ed O]

The only real winner here is Jackson himself.

He will never live up to his long-term deal....but don't be surprised if he goes on a tear for the rest of this season.

I would bet that his numbers nosedive. The pace difference between GS and Charlotte is severe and he won't get the green light that he had as a Warrior, either.

Ed O.

 

[hasoos]

I would bet that his numbers nosedive. The pace difference between GS and Charlotte is severe and he won't get the green light that he had as a Warrior, either.

Ed O.

Yep just based on the ways the teams run I would cut his numbers in half across the board, and then add back in a little because his effort might be better in a new scene.

 

[Natebishop3]

Interesting deal.... I wonder why Charlotte wants him? Is he going to play some point-forward?

 

[hasoos]

Interesting deal.... I wonder why Charlotte wants him? Is he going to play some point-forward?

I would figure shooting guard. Unless they go small. See if they have Chandler out on the floor, they have to make up for it scoring wise, and Jackson suits that bill. If you look at that team, they are definitly scoring challenged.

 

[STOMP]

Interesting deal.... I wonder why Charlotte wants him? Is he going to play some point-forward?

I read some quotes from Larry Brown saying their offense really needs some help, that they can't hit a shot. Jackson gives them another ballhandler/playmaker and is certainly leaps and bounds better then Bell on offense in every way. If he can reasonably keep up with opposing 2 guards I could see this really working out for them. They lack a low post threat but with one of their PGs, Jackson, and Boris they should have great ball movement and be able to hit cutters.

I see the Bobs as the winner and the W's cashing in their chips on another sour season.

STOMP

 

[oldmangrouch]

I would bet that his numbers nosedive. The pace difference between GS and Charlotte is severe and he won't get the green light that he had as a Warrior, either.

Ed O.

His scoring may drop, but if he gets back to passing and playing defense - things he has done well in the past but had largely stopped doing for Nellie - his net value can still increase.

 

[andalusian]

His scoring may drop, but if he gets back to passing and playing defense - things he has done well in the past but had largely stopped doing for Nellie - his net value can still increase.

Correct. Jackson is a useful player when the coach holds him accountable and demands his respect - where Nellie, at this point, does not hold the respect of just about anyone.

I can't believe it - but after seeing what he has done to GSW - I actually like Mark Cuban's stand in the entire Nellie vs. Cuban ordeal.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I can't believe it - but after seeing what he has done to GSW - I actually like Mark Cuban's stand in the entire Nellie vs. Cuban ordeal.

Disconcerting, isn't it?

 

[STOMP]

Correct. Jackson is a useful player when the coach holds him accountable and demands his respect - where Nellie, at this point, does not hold the respect of just about anyone.

I can't believe it - but after seeing what he has done to GSW - I actually like Mark Cuban's stand in the entire Nellie vs. Cuban ordeal.

how have the GSWs done in the decade between Nellie stints? Their problems start with their douchebag owner.

STOMP

 

[andalusian]

how have the GSWs done in the decade between Nellie stints? Their problems start with their douchebag owner.

GSW was doing fine when Mullin was given the F/O spot. He got them some good players, he got Nellie to coach (and when Nellie coaches, he can still be pretty good). What Nellie did to them was decide that he wants to play GM as well, threw Mullin under the bus and decided that as a de-facto GM and coach he can do as he pleases.

Sure, the owner is not too smart - but for a short while there, he actually had it going OK. Mullin was not bad for them at all, but Nellie just ruined whatever hope Mullin actually gave them.

Anytime someone gets a job thanks to a past friend and uses that job to screw everything around and throw that past friend under the bus... well...

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The only real winner here is Jackson himself.

He will never live up to his long-term deal....but don't be surprised if he goes on a tear for the rest of this season.

Really? I figure him to be the big loser. He requested to go to Clev, NY or one of the texas teams. Usally when big name players demand a trade, the organization trades them to a winning playoff team.

Either Sjax isn't a big enough name they felt they had to treat right, even on the way out . .. or he is a big name and GS wanted to screw with him one last time and sent him to Charlotte with Larry Brown . . . not what most vets would consider an ideal situation.

What is Sjax going to do now, demand a trade from Charlotte?

 

[hasoos]

Really? I figure him to be the big loser. He requested to go to Clev, NY or one of the texas teams. Usally when big name players demand a trade, the organization trades them to a winning playoff team.

Either Sjax isn't a big enough name they felt they had to treat right, even on the way out . .. or he is a big name and GS wanted to screw with him one last time and sent him to Charlotte with Larry Brown . . . not what most vets would consider an ideal situation.

What is Sjax going to do now, demand a trade from Charlotte?

That isn't too different from what happened with Rasheed Wallace when we dealt him to Atlanta.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That isn't too different from what happened with Rasheed Wallace when we dealt him to Atlanta.

True . . . so you think he will be dealt again?

 

[hasoos]

True . . . so you think he will be dealt again?

Not likely. Right now Larry Brown needs half of a team, and he needs guys who can score. Jackson can definitly score. Right now I don't see teams offering a lot for Jackson, and that is why he is in Charlotte. I also see Charlotte as needing scoring, and that is what Jackson can do. This will give them a second scorer to go with Wallace, and should take some pressure off of their younger players.

 

[oldmangrouch]

True . . . so you think he will be dealt again?

Maybe not right away (the way Sheed was), but if Brown can get him back on track, I would expect them to try to flip him for value next summer.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Not likely. Right now Larry Brown needs half of a team, and he needs guys who can score. Jackson can definitly score. Right now I don't see teams offering a lot for Jackson, and that is why he is in Charlotte. I also see Charlotte as needing scoring, and that is what Jackson can do. This will give them a second scorer to go with Wallace, and should take some pressure off of their younger players.

I get all that, but that is why I think Jackson is the biggest loser out of all this. He wanted to go to a championship conteder or big market team. He got neither.

 

[hasoos]

I get all that, but that is why I think Jackson is the biggest loser out of all this. He wanted to go to a championship conteder or big market team. He got neither.

Sure he did. But I think that he wanted to get away from Don Nelson more than any one of those things you just mentioned.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Sure he did. But I think that he wanted to get away from Don Nelson more than any one of those things you just mentioned.

Playing for a coach who likes to slow it down, is a bit of a drill sargent and despises quick three point shots . . . let's see how long he goes before demanding another trade or says something negative about Brown or the organization.

But maybe I'm wrong here (I seem to be the only one thinking he is the big loser). I can't find any quotes from Jax himself on the move. Does he tweet?