OT: Yao Out For Season

[oldguy]

By this logic, Dallas should have never let go of Shawn Bradley.

Yeah, just like that. Except SB never averaged 10 rebounds OR 20 points in any of his 15-16 years in the league. That, and Bradley never even approached 300 pounds.

You think they are comparable players?

Yao plays good defense?? Maybe in relation to Evan Eschemeyer.

Yao absolutely plays good defense, both on man and help D. Houston is ranked #4 in D in the league. You're saying that happens with a center that can't play defense?

He's also not an effective number one option, despite what those numbers may tell you.

From what I've seen, Phil and Nate would disagree with you, given how much defensive attention they gave to Yao.

The Blazers might have fronted another center this season, but if they did, I can't remember it.

How bout Yao's PER? He's ranked #11, at almost 22, in the entire league - all positions. A rating of 15 is average for an NBA player.

His height is the reason that people overrate him so much.

It's also a big part of the reason he's so good.

If Houston somehow unloaded Yao for a late first round draft pick, I doubt they'd miss a beat next year (assuming they re-sign Artest).

You're entitled to your opinion.

Portland has a late 1st round pick, and I'd bet my house that they would give it up for Yao in a heartbeat.

Hayes is a physical player who takes pride on the defensive end and is a very good rebounder. He doesn't score, but he doesn't have to. Landry is a good player when given the chance, though he struggles with consistency a little bit.

It doesn't seem like much of an advantage to replace a 17pt/11rb shot blocking post defender with a 6'6" guy that doesn't need to score and a 6'9" guy that's inconsistent. Together, they've averaged 8/6 for the playoffs.

...They can play a more effective up-tempo game, and their defense improves due to Hayes getting more minutes. Houston's real stars are Brooks, Battier, and Artest.

I guess the Celts could sit Perkins and Davis and play more up-tempo, too...but I don't think that means they would win more games.

We'll just have to disagree about the defense improving with Hayes at C over Yao.

 

[rocketeer]

If Houston somehow unloaded Yao for a late first round draft pick, I doubt they'd miss a beat next year (assuming they re-sign Artest).

congrats, that is literally the dumbest statement i've ever read.

 

[DennisRodman]

lol JE, just lol.

If they got a late first rounder instead of having Yao, you think they wouldn't skip a beat. That's just wrong. A late first rounder and finding a quality center. usually they get snatched up early, and most of them won't even have close to the impact Yao does.

 

[JE]

Yao absolutely plays good defense, both on man and help D. Houston is ranked #4 in D in the league. You're saying that happens with a center that can't play defense?

Battier Artest wut

Yao is adequate at best.

From what I've seen, Phil and Nate would disagree with you, given how much defensive attention they gave to Yao.

They're giving extra attention to a team's number one option? Wow that's unheard of. He would be so much better as a 3rd option.

How bout Yao's PER? He's ranked #11, at almost 22, in the entire league - all positions. A rating of 15 is average for an NBA player.

PER also dictates that Kobe is the 6th best player in the league, Shaq is 13th, and Carmelo Anthony is 33rd.

Is this a road you want to travel?

It's also a big part of the reason he's so good.

It's the only reason his numbers have been as good as they are. When you think about it, someone with his height and strength has no excuse to pulling down less than 13 rebounds a game.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Portland has a late 1st round pick, and I'd bet my house that they would give it up for Yao in a heartbeat.

Fantastic. Yao is as durable as a plastic spoon.

It doesn't seem like much of an advantage to replace a 17pt/11rb shot blocking post defender with a 6'6" guy that doesn't need to score and a 6'9" guy that's inconsistent. Together, they've averaged 8/6 for the playoffs.

It also didn't seem like much of an advantage to replace a career 20 ppg scorer with a perceived douchebag who was averaging roughly 8 ppg at the time and had played for 5 teams in 4 seasons. That didn't work out too badly for Houston.

I guess the Celts could sit Perkins and Davis and play more up-tempo, too...but I don't think that means they would win more games.

Except that those are the only two big men on the active roster worth jack shit.

 

[Shooter]

To be honest.. this wasnt really going to be a series anyway.

How's that crow tasting about now?

 

[oldguy]

Battier Artest wut

Artest guards the post players, wut? Without Yao, who blocks shots?

Yao is adequate at best.

Your opinion. His team would not be ranked 4th defensively without his post play.

They're giving extra attention to a team's number one option? Wow that's unheard of. He would be so much better as a 3rd option.

If he's not worthy of being a #1 option, why wouldn't they let him do his thing and stop the Rockets stars? Yeah, he'd be a good 3rd options, but that's not a surprise, since he's a good 1st option.

PER also dictates that Kobe is the 6th best player in the league, Shaq is 13th, and Carmelo Anthony is 33rd. Is this a road you want to travel?

Why not? You don't have a PER of 22 if you worth is a late first round pick. You get a PER like that because you can play.

PER is a stat, it doesn't rely on the players popularity. It's not perfect, but it is a pretty decent measure of a players production. Kobe is about where I'd put him, based on the few LA games I watched. Shaq is probably too high, but not more than a few spots. Melo....meh, 33rd sounds good to me.

It's the only reason his numbers have been as good as they are. When you think about it, someone with his height and strength has no excuse to pulling down less than 13 rebounds a game.

It's a given that being tall is a big part of why a center is good. As for it being the sole reason Yao is a top 15 player; we'll just disagree on that.

Fantastic. Yao is as durable as a plastic spoon.

Really big guys tend to have foot/ankle/knee problems. Hell will freeze over and pigs will fly out my ass before Houston trades him for a late first round pick.

 

[Wheels]

How's that crow tasting about now?

Hey I give them props for rallying for that game.. I do think they lose the next 2 convincingly though. They cant rally like that 2 more times IMO.

 

[DaRizzle]

^oh jesus, STFU! Your prediction is the reason for the Lakers losing! Shouldnt you be asleep waiting for your mouth to be ripped apart in the morning?

 

[huevonkiller]

^oh jesus, STFU! Your prediction is the reason for the Lakers losing! Shouldnt you be asleep waiting for your mouth to be ripped apart in the morning?

Yeah you can't let up in this conference, Houston has played well without it's stars this season and you can't take them for granted.

 

[Shooter]

Yeah you can't let up in this conference, Houston has played well without it's stars this season and you can't take them for granted.

What's up with "Jesus committed 61 sins in the Garden of Eden"?? Is that a joke?

 

[huevonkiller]

What's up with "Jesus committed 61 sins in the Garden of Eden"?? Is that a joke?

Lol yes, an abstract one about someone from LA in 2009.

 

[JE]

Artest guards the post players, wut? Without Yao, who blocks shots?

I didn't know block numbers take priority over post defense.

Your opinion. His team would not be ranked 4th defensively without his post play.

You're right, they would be 3rd or higher.

If he's not worthy of being a #1 option, why wouldn't they let him do his thing and stop the Rockets stars? Yeah, he'd be a good 3rd options, but that's not a surprise, since he's a good 1st option.

The reason he's forced into being the #1 option is because neither Battier or Artest are capable of being consistent volume scorers, and Brooks can do it occasionally, but can't do it nightly (yet).

Team's star =/= team's top scorer (not always, at least).

Why not? You don't have a PER of 22 if you worth is a late first round pick. You get a PER like that because you can play.

PER is a stat, it doesn't rely on the players popularity. It's not perfect, but it is a pretty decent measure of a players production. Kobe is about where I'd put him, based on the few LA games I watched. Shaq is probably too high, but not more than a few spots. Melo....meh, 33rd sounds good to me.

If PER was even close to the be-all, end-all basketball stat (that doesn't exist) you and others think it is, Shaq would not be in the top 25, Carmelo would be in the top 20, Kobe would be top 3.

It's a given that being tall is a big part of why a center is good. As for it being the sole reason Yao is a top 15 player; we'll just disagree on that.

Clearly.

Really big guys tend to have foot/ankle/knee problems. Hell will freeze over and pigs will fly out my ass before Houston trades him for a late first round pick.

Given Yao's durability concerns (the fact that three straight seasons of his have been ended by injury should be cause for some concern), I'd be surprised if they could get much more than that. If Houston wins this series, they might not even get that. Granted there are a few GMs out there who are either desperate or just retarded. Regardless, the Rockets would be absolute fools to re-sign this guy in 2010.


Having thought about it a little, I liken this team as presently constructed to the 2004 Pistons. The only stark difference is the strong, shooting, more grind-oriented point guard Detroit had (Billups) to the hyper-aggressive slasher Houston has (Brooks).

 

[rocketeer]

I didn't know block numbers take priority over post defense.

You're right, they would be 3rd or higher.

you're really trying to pretend that yao is a bad defensive player? seriously? guess who was 9th in the league in defensive rating this year. and 4th in defensive win shares. in fact this is his 5th year in a row to be top 10 in defensive rating.

The reason he's forced into being the #1 option is because neither Battier or Artest are capable of being consistent volume scorers, and Brooks can do it occasionally, but can't do it nightly (yet).

Team's star =/= team's top scorer (not always, at least).

yao is the star of the rockets. absolutely no doubt about it. everyone on and around the rockets knows and acknowledges it. other teams show it with who they focus on during games. yao absolutely is and should be a number one option. of course he would be a great 2nd option, so would any other legitimate number one option who is unselfish.

If PER was even close to the be-all, end-all basketball stat (that doesn't exist) you and others think it is, Shaq would not be in the top 25, Carmelo would be in the top 20, Kobe would be top 3.

per is much better than whatever bullshit rating system you have in which yao is a bad defender and not a first option on offense. and based on his play this year, kobe shouldn't be top 3. not ahead of lebron, wade, or paul.

Given Yao's durability concerns (the fact that three straight seasons of his have been ended by injury should be cause for some concern), I'd be surprised if they could get much more than that. If Houston wins this series, they might not even get that. Granted there are a few GMs out there who are either desperate or just retarded. Regardless, the Rockets would be absolute fools to re-sign this guy in 2010.

the rockets would be absolute fools to do anything but resign yao. absolutely no question, the rockets could get a top 3 pick in any draft for yao. but they aren't ever going to trade him.

Having thought about it a little, I liken this team as presently constructed to the 2004 Pistons. The only stark difference is the strong, shooting, more grind-oriented point guard Detroit had (Billups) to the hyper-aggressive slasher Houston has (Brooks).

of course there is no shotblocking(where the pistons had ben wallace, sheed, and prince who are all better shotblockers than any uninjured rockets), inconsistent pg play, and much less reliable scoring on the perimeter. that kinda takes that comparison away.

 

[oldguy]

I didn't know block numbers take priority over post defense.

It doesn't, but it's a big part of it.
Do you really believe Hayes and Landry are better at defending C's than Yao is?

You're right, they would be 3rd or higher.

The reason he's forced into being the #1 option is because neither Battier or Artest are capable of being consistent volume scorers, and Brooks can do it occasionally, but can't do it nightly (yet).

So, Yao is forced to be the #1 option because your stars are too inconsistent to carry the team like Yao does? Seems like that would make him the star.

If PER was even close to the be-all, end-all basketball stat (that doesn't exist) you and others think it is, Shaq would not be in the top 25, Carmelo would be in the top 20, Kobe would be top 3.

Ok, in the regular season PER ranking, all positions, where do you put Yao?

Given Yao's durability concerns (the fact that three straight seasons of his have been ended by injury should be cause for some concern), I'd be surprised if they could get much more than that. If Houston wins this series, they might not even get that. Granted there are a few GMs out there who are either desperate or just retarded. Regardless, the Rockets would be absolute fools to re-sign this guy in 2010.

Whether or not they should want to sign him depends on how he comes back from this latest injury. I think they definitely sign him, assuming he recovers. I think he has a player’s option, so they may not have a choice.

Could you provide even one shred of support, other than your opinion, for anything you've said in this thread?

Heh, rockteer beat me to it. Nicely done, I might add.

Go Blazers

 

[oldguy]

Yao....2nd team all NBA.