OT - Zach Randolph.... very harsh comment on him

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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Actually we were the suckers who took back Steve Francis' contract and Channing Frye.
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Yeah, as I said, the results so not favor your point of view. You wanted Pritchard fired the night he traded Zach. That says it all to me. How many Clipper games do you go to in order to support Zach?
 
PapaG said:
Yeah, as I said, the results so not favor your point of view. You wanted Pritchard fired the night he traded Zach. That says it all to me. How many Clipper games do you go to in order to support Zach?
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what's the clippers record this year with zach and without?
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Actually we were the suckers who took back Steve Francis' contract and Channing Frye.
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The team saved more than $30 million to become free-agency players or have the ability to take back more salary in a trade this summer. We got a ton of flexibility, which far outweighs what Zach's presence on the team would've given us.
Zach would've pouted big time if he had to take the back seat to LaMarcus. And LA wouldn't be as good as he is now if Zach were here.
We still haven't seen the complete benefits of the trade yet.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
what's the clippers record this year with zach and without?
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They are 16-50. Who cares?

Why don't you offer a detailed summary of why keeping him would have helped the Blazers. I have to wonder, because the one thing that Zach has proven is that he is one of the worst primary scorers in terms of helping his team win games that I've seen in the NBA.
 
PapaG said:
They are 16-50. Who cares?

Why don't you offer a detailed summary of why keeping him would have helped the Blazers. I have to wonder, because the one thing that Zach has proven is that he is one of the worst primary scorers in terms of helping his team win games that I've seen in the NBA.
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Because he can score and rebound. would have been nice in the 2nd unit versus what we currently have at that position (frye and the ghost of steve francis)
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Because he can score and rebound. would have been nice in the 2nd unit versus what we currently have at that position (frye and the ghost of steve francis)
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Meh. Getting his loser ass out of the locker room instantly made the deal a winner IMO.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Perhaps. But now our backup PF situation sucks.
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The bench is still one of the best in the league, and once Oden comes back, Przy/Oden make up the rebounding deficit. The Blazers still have cap space this summer as well.
 
alex42083 said:
You can probably find a much cheaper backup PF in free agency who would be a better fit chemistry-wise than a guy who commands the ball and makes $16 mil per.
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ZBO only commands the ball because his teams have had no offensive options. He is a good put-back and offensive rebounding player. We would have been deadly if we had a guy like him in our second unit who could board, play inside and score.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
ZBO only commands the ball because his teams have had no offensive options. He is a good put-back and offensive rebounding player. We would have been deadly if we had a guy like him in our second unit who could board, play inside and score.
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And Destroy chemistry and do stupid shit like this...

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AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
ZBO only commands the ball because his teams have had no offensive options. He is a good put-back and offensive rebounding player. We would have been deadly if we had a guy like him in our second unit who could board, play inside and score.
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At $16 mil per for a backup PF who would get 10-15 mins a game at most? No thanks.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
ZBO only commands the ball because his teams have had no offensive options. He is a good put-back and offensive rebounding player. We would have been deadly if we had a guy like him in our second unit who could board, play inside and score.
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I admit I hoped for this during his last year as well. That he would at least add depth. But if there was ever a perfect description of addition by subtraction, Zach is it. Eventually when his contract runs out, and he makes a lot less money, some contender will pick him up and he will be happy coming off the bench for them. But that team would have to have a lot of vets around him. Something we did not have. The guy was not a good influence on a young team.
 
alex42083 said:
At $16 mil per for a backup PF who would get 10-15 mins a game at most? No thanks.
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Who would be an expiring contract in 2011...16 million dollars worth.

4 years of a good backup PF versus 2 years of a shitty one with cap space to get a role player...

yay.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
ZBO only commands the ball because his teams have had no offensive options. He is a good put-back and offensive rebounding player. We would have been deadly if we had a guy like him in our second unit who could board, play inside and score.
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There is no evidence to support your claim. ZBO commands the ball because he wants to shoot the ball on every possesion. It wouldn't matter who else was on the team.

This idea that Z-Bo would come of the bench is absurd. There is not one chance in hell Stat-Bo would come off the bench. Z-Bo would pout if he was behind Tim Duncan.

Fuck that guy. He is, and always will be, a loser who gets meaningless stats on shitty teams.
 
LittleAlex said:
There is no evidence to support your claim. ZBO commands the ball because he wants to shoot the ball on every possesion. It wouldn't matter who else was on the team.

This idea that Z-Bo would come of the bench is absurd. There is not one chance in hell Stat-Bo would come off the bench. Z-Bo would pout if he was behind Tim Duncan.

Fuck that guy. He is, and always will be, a loser who gets meaningless stats on shitty teams.
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Name other options on teams with ZBO on them. Blazers, Knicks, Clippers...those teams. Sure, you have Brandon Roy in his rookie year, sporadic Baron Davis and David Lee....who plays the same position......

ZBO is not the point guard....nor is he the coach. ZBO would come off the bench if he were on the Blazers right now. What...would he refuse to enter the game?
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Rudy was a deal for cash.
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I know it's easier to say this, but it just isn't true when speaking from the Blazers perspective. The acquisition of Rudy was a direct result of the Blazers acquiring the trade exception from the Randolph deal and moving it to Phoenix for Jones and the pick. The fact that we took James Jones and saved them on the tax as well, was incentive enough for the Suns to include a 1st round pick.
 
Nope. We did the same thing the year before with Sergio. bought for cash, history agrees with me. james jones was just a throw-in perhaps..someone pritch wanted... but we could have bought rudy anyway.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
james jones was just a throw-in perhaps..someone pritch wanted... but we could have bought rudy anyway.
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You must not understand, the Blazers couldn't have acquired James Jones for cash. It can't happen under the CBA. The price to acquire Fernandez was to take Jones, and how we got Jones without giving up a player? The trade exception.
 
AmirIcon said:
You must not understand, the Blazers couldn't have acquired James Jones for cash. It can't happen under the CBA. The price to acquire Fernandez was to take Jones, and how we got Jones without giving up a player? The trade exception.
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Phoenix would have likely sold their pick anyway, given their history.
James Jones...where is he now...yeah...gone. I was in the Martell > Jones camp anyways.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Phoenix would have likely sold their pick anyway, given their history.
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That's an assumption obviously, not fact. Doesn't change the fact that Rudy Fernandez was a result of the Randolph deal.

James Jones...where is he now...yeah...gone. I was in the Martell > Jones camp anyways.
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I was too, doesn't change the fact that the acquisition of Rudy was a result of the Zach Randolph trade. So you admit you were wrong now?
 
No. The acquisition of James Jones was a result of the ZBO trade due to the trade exception. We bought rudy.

Rudy could have been had independent of the Zach trade.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
No. The acquisition of James Jones was a result of the ZBO trade due to the trade exception. We bought rudy.

Rudy could have been had independent of the Zach trade.
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Seriously?

The new assistant general manager, in his third week on the job, suggested making a deal in which the Blazers added Fred Jones in the New York trade in order to receive a $3 million trade exception. That trade exception, in turn, could be used to relieve Phoenix of James Jones' $3 million salary in addition to acquiring the 24th pick.
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"And the way we looked at it, from a talent standpoint, we were trading Zach for Channing, James Jones and Rudy Fernandez, plus cap flexibility in two years (Steve Francis buyout).''
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Again, you're just plain wrong.
 
AgentDrazenPetrovic said:
Again, history shows us that Phoenix is willing to sell their first round pick for cash.
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Again, that's irrelevant since you stated Rudy came from straight cash and was independent of the Randolph deal. It's possible, but it makes no difference. Rudy was STILL a product of the Randolph trade. End of story.
 
Again, we didn't have to make that deal, we could have gotten him for cash, if history is any indication. Phoenix' owner is money loving. We had resources to make it happen.
 
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