OTish: Mo Williams should probably fire his agent (Minnesota)

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magnifier661 said:
How does that mean his latest tweet talks about Portland? He tweeted that he's going to a classy organization "minny". It has no relevance on his previous team "Portland".
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If you read the two tweets together, he was talking about the Blazer organization.

He does also tweet he is happy or excited to be with Minny now.

I wish Mo the best. He came to Ptd, embraced the organization, his teammates and the fans. He gave it his all on the court, had a unique bond with Lillard and helped the Blazers to a successful season. Wish he was coming back and think he will be missed on and off the court. But it does seems Blazers weren't really interested in bringing him back, which makes me think I overvalued Mo.

Mo will be a player I will be rooting for wherever he goes.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Good for Mo, and good for us for not bringing him back.

I hate Blake's game almost as much as I hated Mo's game before he came here, but Steve is most definitely a better fit for our second unit. Blake plays slightly better d and actually passes the ball-- he's not as good of a scorer on his own, but that role should be filled by CJ/Willy this season. I don't think we'll miss Mo at all.

Now how about we get something of value for Wright/Vic/Joel/Leonard?
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I think you can look at the scoring and think we will deeply miss it. But I think it was at the expense of the other team. He tend to break the flow, which would make it so much harder for the other bench to score.

Blake isn't anything to go goo goo after, but he's like the reliable engine that is a great cog. As a starter, he wasn't a great fit. But as a bench player, he can really help this squad.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
If you read the two tweets together, he was talking about the Blazer organization.

He does also tweet he is happy or excited to be with Minny now.

I wish Mo the best. He came to Ptd, embraced the organization, his teammates and the fans. He gave it his all on the court, had a unique bond with Lillard and helped the Blazers to a successful season. Wish he was coming back and think he will be missed on and off the court. But it does seems Blazers weren't really interested in bringing him back, which makes me think I overvalued Mo.

Mo will be a player I will be rooting for wherever he goes.
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I never had "bad blood" for the player. I thought he loved the team and players. I just hated his style of play. Just like I hated crawful's game. When either of the players were on, they were amazing scorers. Problem was, they weren't on most nights.
 
magnifier661 said:
I never had "bad blood" for the player. I thought he loved the team and players. I just hated his style of play. Just like I hated crawful's game. When either of the players were on, they were amazing scorers. Problem was, they weren't on most nights.
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I know I quoted your post, but I was just speaking to Mo thanking the Blazer organization.

FWIW-The rest of the post was more my thoughts on Mo . . . not commenting on your thoughts about Mo. I don't think you have been harsh on Mo and many share your thoughts about Mo's style of play.
 
I never had any animosity toward Mochuck the way I hated (still hate) Crawchuck. I can forgive his horrific defense -- we all have our limitations -- but on two nights out of three, he was a net negative on offense as well with his mistakes and style of play. I won't miss him.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
If you read the two tweets together, he was talking about the Blazer organization.

He does also tweet he is happy or excited to be with Minny now.

I wish Mo the best. He came to Ptd, embraced the organization, his teammates and the fans. He gave it his all on the court, had a unique bond with Lillard and helped the Blazers to a successful season. Wish he was coming back and think he will be missed on and off the court. But it does seems Blazers weren't really interested in bringing him back, which makes me think I overvalued Mo.

Mo will be a player I will be rooting for wherever he goes.
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Agreed and repped.
 
santeesioux said:
So he got pretty much the same deal he would have had here had he not opted out? Couldn't even get a 2 year deal and ended up in a much worse situation, i guess being greedy doesn't always work out well.
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What makes you think he's in a much worse situation? I mean, team success is great and all, but he's much more likely to get minutes there IMO and I think nearly every player in the league places a higher priority on actually, you know, playing. ;)
 
I'll miss Mo. Truly undervalued by many posters. He was brought in to be a scorer off the bench since the team had just broken the record for bench futility the year before. He was never going to put up 6 assists a night, he was supposed to shoot.

This year however I agree that a guy like Blake is probably a better fit. CJ, Barton and TRob I think are ready to improve and contribute more on offense, plus Kaman is much better on offense than our backup bigs last year. Blake isn't Steve Nash but he'll be solid and allow the other guys to get into a rhythm, plus he should be a great 3 point shooter in Stotts offense when guys kick the ball back out to him.
 
noknobs said:
He was never going to put up 6 assists a night, he was supposed to shoot.
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The crazy thing is, he did put up 4 assists a night, which in 25mpg isn't a bad number. His per/36 number of 6.3 is better than Lillard (5.6). As I posted earlier, I feel a lot of the frustration from posters toward Mo had to do when he'd play hero ball, which I can't really blame him for, even if I didn't necessarily enjoy watching it.

For comparison's sake, Crawford as the back-up PG in Portland averaged 3.2 apg/4.3 per36. Veterans are what they are, for the most part, especially bench players. This season, I expect to read about how Blake is terrible because he can't create his own shot.
 
Minstrel said:
What makes you think he's in a much worse situation? I mean, team success is great and all, but he's much more likely to get minutes there IMO and I think nearly every player in the league places a higher priority on actually, you know, playing. ;)
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He was saying that Mo could have had the same deal if he hadn't opted out.

If Mo had decided not to opt out, I doubt Neil would have signed Blake, and Mo's minutes would have stayed relatively the same. They might have gone down a bit to make room for CJ, but I doubt he would have gone under 20 minutes. Instead, he opted out and now he has to play on a Timberwolves team that most likely won't have Kevin Love.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He was saying that Mo could have had the same deal if he hadn't opted out.
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How so? He made ~$2.7m last season, and was due ~$2.7m this season. He opted out and got $3.7m for this season. At the very least, he added another year at the vet minimum to his career, if you want to look at it that way. Not a big contract by any means, but I'd be happy with a roughly 40% raise in one year.
 
NewsSource said:
How so? He made ~$2.7m last season, and was due ~$2.7m this season. He opted out and got $3.7m for this season. At the very least, he added another year at the vet minimum to his career, if you want to look at it that way. Not a big contract by any means, but I'd be happy with a roughly 40% raise in one year.
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It wasn't my point that he could make the same money. That was Santiseux. I think Minstrel had the impression that he was saying Mo could have signed the same deal here, but wouldn't have had any minutes, and I was only trying to point out that Santiseux was saying Mo shouldn't have opted out, and in that scenario we wouldn't have signed Blake. There would have been minutes for him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It wasn't my point that he could make the same money. That was Santiseux. I think Minstrel had the impression that he was saying Mo could have signed the same deal here, but wouldn't have had any minutes, and I was only trying to point out that Santiseux was saying Mo shouldn't have opted out, and in that scenario we wouldn't have signed Blake. There would have been minutes for him.
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Ah, got it.
 
I thought we could only pay Mo 3.1 or 3.2 or something like that? He got 3.7. That's half a million reasons more for him to sign with Minny. Plus as stated, he made an extra million dollars this coming year by opting out. Besides, it really does appear the Blazers wanted to go in a different direction, anyway. Win-Win.
 
Good Mo certainly won us a couple games but bad Mo cost us a few. I was fine with his ups and downs as that is his game. What killed me is how his play demoralized the growth of the second unit. The lack of ball movement and integrating the young guys into the flow of the game really hurt the guys around him.

I think the Minni deal is actually pretty good for him. He'll get plenty of PT, probably put up some inflated stats and be able to get a nice little contract the following year. Or he gets packaged with Love to CLE and in that case he's probably happy as well.
 
BBert said:
I thought we could only pay Mo 3.1 or 3.2 or something like that? He got 3.7. That's half a million reasons more for him to sign with Minny. Plus as stated, he made an extra million dollars this coming year by opting out. Besides, it really does appear the Blazers wanted to go in a different direction, anyway. Win-Win.
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Well, the whole reason he opted out was for more years on the contract, not necessarily more money. He wanted security. He didn't get security and now he's playing for a shitty organization that's about to get shittier.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, the whole reason he opted out was for more years on the contract, not necessarily more money. He wanted security. He didn't get security and now he's playing for a shitty organization that's about to get shittier.
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I'd feel more secure making an extra $1m over the next year. :)
 
Natebishop3 said:
Supposedly he turned down the deal that we gave to Blake. I don't know if that's true or not.
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Smart move by his agent to turn it down, then. Blake got 2 years, 4.1 million total, roughly. Mo will make 3.7 in one year, and barring a career ending injury, will make more than 400K next season guaranteed.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He was saying that Mo could have had the same deal if he hadn't opted out.

If Mo had decided not to opt out, I doubt Neil would have signed Blake, and Mo's minutes would have stayed relatively the same. They might have gone down a bit to make room for CJ, but I doubt he would have gone under 20 minutes. Instead, he opted out and now he has to play on a Timberwolves team that most likely won't have Kevin Love.
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Yeah, that's pretty much what i was saying. Yeah he got a bit of a pay raise, but he didn't get the years he wanted, and is a little bit more really worth being on one of the worst teams in the league on a one year deal over a team that could have a home playoff seed? Dude has already made a lot of money in his career and probably won't be hurting unless he is like Spree.
 
santeesioux said:
Yeah, that's pretty much what i was saying. Yeah he got a bit of a pay raise, but he didn't get the years he wanted, and is a little bit more really worth being on one of the worst teams in the league on a one year deal over a team that could have a home playoff seed? Dude has already made a lot of money in his career and probably won't be hurting unless he is like Spree.
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Well he probably needs to feed his family.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Mo was a great teammate and was a great friend and mentor to Lillard. I wish him nothing but success and happiness in Minnesota. I will never understand the hate for the guy. The season before last the Blazers had some of the worst backup point guards I have ever seen play. Mo came exactly as advertised. It's like some of you had never seen him play or knew anything about him. He won some games for us and was part of the most successful Blazer team in years!
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We don't hate him as a person. We just don't like the fact that he's a shoot first chucker who looks Dame off when he should pass. PASS THE ROCK....
 
Did Mo really just talk in the 3rd person? So unattractive.
 
Mo could come in for either Wes or Lillard and take a lot of the defense pressure off those guys. I think/hope Blake can do the same thing. If Blake gets hurt, Lillard will really be missing Mo.
 
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