Our bench is crap

[Rastapopoulos]

Last ten games:

We're getting killed when the starters are out.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Probably has something to do with Moe and Ed being injured.

Ed is the best rebounder off the bench in the entire NBA and has great chemistry with the rookie Collins.

With Moe out, Turner is starting, which weakens both our starting lineup and our bench.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

You base your decision off of the small sample size of the last 10 games?

I would say that this thread is crap.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

You base your decision off of the small sample size of the last 10 games?

I would say that this thread is crap.

Duh

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Our bench is players 8-13, so yeah, it’s crappy.

 

[Driew]

Probably has something to do with Moe and Ed being injured.

Ed is the best rebounder off the bench in the entire NBA and has great chemistry with the rookie Collins.

With Moe out, Turner is starting, which weakens both our starting lineup and our bench.

BNM

Woah don't you come in here with your "facts" pfffft.

 

[riverman]

Stotts has trotted out the 3rd string due to injuries.....all of them pretty rusty...let em break a sweat. I'm just glad Ed and Mo are healing before the playoffs...Ed and Mo are game changers for the team

 

[Scalma]

The problem with our second unit has been that we’re too reliant on CJ. Our offensive game plan is pretty much give the ball to CJ and let him hopscotch around until he decides to shoot it. I don’t completely blame CJ though. I mean who else on that unit can score? But some more ball movement would be nice. Moes return will help the bench just as much as the starting unit.

And with Lillard probably missing a couple of games, maybe Baldwin shows his value. He’s a better creator than Napier and gets to the line (easy points.) Might be too late this season, but it’ll be something to watch next year.

 

[e_blazer]

I felt like the bench was really starting to gel the last month or so. Ed and Zach seemed to really be working well together. Bazz was playing pretty well and ET seemed to be finding a groove with the 2nd unit. Losing both Moe and Ed has really messed up the chemistry.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You base your decision off of the small sample size of the last 10 games?

I would say that this thread is crap.

1. Notice present tense of "is".
2. Convince me I'm wrong.

 

[rotary111]

#trusttheprocess?

Davis...enough said.

Bazz is hit and miss. Love his game when he's on. If he focused on drive and kick he would be a more complete Point guard. He wants to be Dame/CJ and he's just not.

Zach looks like he might be real good soon. He is struggling with his shot, to be fair to him he is forced out (coach) at the 3 point line, his shots are hitting inside the rim and popping out. That to me means he is soooo close to dropping those. Practice will fix that. If he was air balling or just missing badly I would be worried. His size on defense makes up for his struggles on offense.

Wade hasn't seen much time yet, but he showed some promise and has good size for a guard. I think he could take the backup spot by next season.

Biggie is just not someone i'm not willing to give up on. He has been down before and worked his ass off to make the adjustments needed to be a productive player. We don't need him to be a star.

ET gets to much crap and will be a big help in the post season.

Pat and Meyers ??

We could use some more vets. The playoffs may amplify that by a thousand times.

The game will probably slow down during the post season. Hopefully we are healthy enough to get through the first round.

This team is close to being a legit contender. I didn't think that at the beginning of the season.

Paul Allen is ready to pay again.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Our bench can't rap either.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The problem with our second unit has been that we’re too reliant on CJ. Our offensive game plan is pretty much give the ball to CJ and let him hopscotch around until he decides to shoot it. I don’t completely blame CJ though. I mean who else on that unit can score? But some more ball movement would be nice. Moes return will help the bench just as much as the starting unit.

Maybe, but last night this was not the problem. The ball movement was pretty good. Meyers and Zach went 0-7 from deep, but they were wide open. And inside the 3 pt line they were a combined 7-8.....again all with good ball movement. So maybe don't have our bigs 24 feet from the basket?

Of course neither CJ or Dame helped from deep either going 0-5 and 2-10.

The biggest issue last night was their lack of defensive intensity on the smallest players on the court. Yogi and Barea combined for 12-18

 

[blue9]

Our offensive game plan is pretty much give the ball to CJ and let him hopscotch around until he decides to shoot it. I don’t completely blame CJ though. I mean who else on that unit can score? But some more ball movement would be nice.

Bingo! System sucks!

 

[Scalma]

Bingo! System sucks!

It’s not the system.

 

[Orion Bailey]

1. Notice present tense of "is".
2. Convince me I'm wrong.

OMG.... The sky is falling....

I thought you were only this kneejerky in the OT forum....

Injuries, once healed will prove you wrong....

End thread. This is stupid.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

For those screaming "small sample size!" or "it's because Ed and Mo are injured!" Here are the +/- numbers for the whole season:

The bench is still significantly worse than the starters. Also, Mo is a starter, and who knows how Ed's injury will affect him in the playoffs?
Contrast with San Antonio's balance:

Now, you could say "but our starters are better than theirs, and that's a plus, right?"
Sure, but note the minutes distribution. Our bench players are playing fewer minutes, and likely only against the opponents' bench players - so they're worse than the other teams' benches. San Antonio has also been riddled with injuries, so their bench players have been starters more often.
Maybe this is mainly an indictment of Turner: he's our highest-paid non-starter and he's been crap.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

While we're on the subject: which teams have the BEST benches? I want to say the Raptors (VanVleet in particular has been great). Also the Warriors, especially now that they've had to play them as starters so much.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Sidenote: CJ has pretty terrible TPA numbers - perhaps a big reason is that he's in with the bench more than any other starter.

 

[e_blazer]

For those screaming "small sample size!" or "it's because Ed and Mo are injured!" Here are the +/- numbers for the whole season:

The bench is still significantly worse than the starters. Also, Mo is a starter, and who knows how Ed's injury will affect him in the playoffs?
Contrast with San Antonio's balance:

Now, you could say "but our starters are better than theirs, and that's a plus, right?"
Sure, but note the minutes distribution. Our bench players are playing fewer minutes, and likely only against the opponents' bench players - so they're worse than the other teams' benches. San Antonio has also been riddled with injuries, so their bench players have been starters more often.
Maybe this is mainly an indictment of Turner: he's our highest-paid non-starter and he's been crap.

So, what's the point of this thread? I don't think that anyone is saying that the bench is as good as we'd like it to be. Personally, I think +/- stats are stupid, but if you want to use them to show that the bench isn't consistent, I'm not in the mood to argue about it. At this point, the bench is what it is. There aren't any trades or other roster moves that can happen now to change it. They'll either get healthy/play better or the playoffs will be brief. Let's hope for the improvement.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

So, what's the point of this thread?

What's the point of any thread?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Our bench can't rap either.

 

[e_blazer]

What's the point of any thread?

Just saying that it seems like a better topic for the off-season. You know, when something can actually be done about the situation.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just saying that it seems like a better topic for the off-season. You know, when something can actually be done about the situation.

I'll remember to tell myself that when I'm shouting at the TV next game.

 

[e_blazer]

I'll remember to tell myself that when I'm shouting at the TV next game.

Yeah, well sometimes logic is lost and the primal parts of the brain rule. Many more games like last night and it's fifty-fifty as to whether I make it to the off-season or blow a blood vessel in my brain.

 

[Boob-No-More]

For those screaming "small sample size!" or "it's because Ed and Mo are injured!" Here are the +/- numbers for the whole season:

The bench is still significantly worse than the starters. Also, Mo is a starter, and who knows how Ed's injury will affect him in the playoffs?
Contrast with San Antonio's balance:

Now, you could say "but our starters are better than theirs, and that's a plus, right?"
Sure, but note the minutes distribution. Our bench players are playing fewer minutes, and likely only against the opponents' bench players - so they're worse than the other teams' benches. San Antonio has also been riddled with injuries, so their bench players have been starters more often.
Maybe this is mainly an indictment of Turner: he's our highest-paid non-starter and he's been crap.

Bingo! System sucks!

Yeah, we're not San Antonio, and they aren't us.

Before we get too caught up in wanting to be more like the Spurs, please note the above standings. Paul Allen apparently has sold his soul to he devil, because in spite of having the greatest coach in the game, a far superior system, great balance and a much better bench, the Spurs are somehow, inexplicably three games behind us in the standings (and before you try to play the injury card, the table you presented showing their amazing depth and great bench already takes that into account).

So, our coach is a moron, our system sucks and our bench is crap. Please don't tell anyone, or the league may have to take away a few of our wins and award them to more worthy teams with better coaches.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

For those screaming "small sample size!" or "it's because Ed and Mo are injured!" Here are the +/- numbers for the whole season:

The bench is still significantly worse than the starters. Also, Mo is a starter, and who knows how Ed's injury will affect him in the playoffs?
Contrast with San Antonio's balance:

Now, you could say "but our starters are better than theirs, and that's a plus, right?"
Sure, but note the minutes distribution. Our bench players are playing fewer minutes, and likely only against the opponents' bench players - so they're worse than the other teams' benches. San Antonio has also been riddled with injuries, so their bench players have been starters more often.
Maybe this is mainly an indictment of Turner: he's our highest-paid non-starter and he's been crap.

I don't think it's just Turner, I think it's the small forward position in general. Until Moe finally pulled his head out of his ass, the shittiness of our small forward rotation was widely acknowledged as this team's biggest weakness. The table above does nothing to refute that claim.

Hopefully, when Moe comes back he will be post all star game Motivated Moe, not the No Show Mo that sleep walked through the first four months of the season, because with Motivated Moe, we are a VERY good team.

BNM

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I do in fact believe that Stotts deserves SOME kind of coaching award for turning Shabazz and Pat C. into half-decent contributors. And he pulled an even greater magic trick with Nurkic last season. He's also got more solid games out of of Mo the Mercurial than any other coach...

 

[Orion Bailey]

I'll remember to tell myself that when I'm shouting at the TV next game.

Control and self discipline can go a long ways and do wonders for stability, not only in oneself, but with what gets under your skin....


This thread is blah blah blah.


Show me a bench that is as good as the starters on the same team?
What are you wanting?
What would you like to see?


Instead of just bitching ( like in the OT), why not provide solutions to the problem you think we have?

Instead of bitching about having as crap bench, how about something like... hey, we should target this person or so and so this off season to improve the bench. Here are our bench numbers. "X" player should help improve this.


Your thread is like any other open ended, yet dead end thread. A bitchfest without answers.

Don't come to me with a bitch fest unless you have an answer.....

So this is just blah blah blah.....
Like most of the OT....

 

[Scalma]

For those screaming "small sample size!" or "it's because Ed and Mo are injured!" Here are the +/- numbers for the whole season:

The bench is still significantly worse than the starters.

Woah, our bench is worse than our starters!?!