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Boob-No-More said:
Well, that's not necessarily a requirement. It is still possible to win a title without a top 3 player in the league. The Celtics won with Garnett, Pierce and Ray Allen sharing the scoring burden and the Pistons won without a single player averaging 20ppg.

And, as I pointed out, our Big 3 is the youngest on the list and still has time to improve.

In spite of David Stern's corruption of the game to favor certain players and teams, basketball is still played 5-on-5. The best player doesn't necessarily win the title. Otherwise, we could just skip the playoffs and give the title to the team with the regular season MVP.

Yeah, it's nice to have a top 3 player in the league on your roster, but given there are only 3 of those around at any given time, having three 20ppg scorers isn't a bad fall back plan.

BNM
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Garnett, Pierce, and Allen were in the top few player discussion. It's not like they used to score 15, then started scoring 20 once together.

A team is bound to have 3x 20PPG scorers if the rest of the players are crap. I don't know of any NBA team in modern history that's scored less than 60 PPG :)
 
Lets watch them an entire season before giving the big 3 label...
 
Denny Crane said:
A team is bound to have 3x 20PPG scorers if the rest of the players are crap. I don't know of any NBA team in modern history that's scored less than 60 PPG :)
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Well, I suppose that would, be true IF the rest of the team was crap. But, they're not. Perhaps you missed that part about Wesley Matthews averaging 16.1 ppg (32nd in the entire league). And JJ Hi kson is averaging a double double. Yes, the bench sucks, but the bench isn't the entire rest of the team. Charlotte was the worst team in NBA history last season. Obviously most of their roster sucked. How many players did they have average 20ppg? Averaging 20 ppg in the NBA is, and will always be, a significant accomplishment. Three players doing it on the same team is very, very rare.

BNM
 
Watching Nic and Dame grow together is the only saving grace of this season.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Well, I suppose that would, be true IF the rest of the team was crap. But, they're not. Perhaps you missed that part about Wesley Matthews averaging 16.1 ppg (32nd in the entire league). And JJ Hi kson is averaging a double double. Yes, the bench sucks, but the bench isn't the entire rest of the team. Charlotte was the worst team in NBA history last season. Obviously most of their roster sucked. How many players did they have average 20ppg? Averaging 20 ppg in the NBA is, and will always be, a significant accomplishment. Three players doing it on the same team is very, very rare.

BNM
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20 PPG is terrific. The Bobcats have a much deeper team and bench so they spread their shots around. The Blazers starters take at least 70 of the teams ~85 shots per game.
 
Nice to have a big 3 with very complementary games--prototypical size, speed, shooting and athleticism at PG, SF and PF.
 
Denny Crane said:
20 PPG is terrific. The Bobcats have a much deeper team and bench so they spread their shots around. The Blazers starters take at least 70 of the teams ~85 shots per game.
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I guess we have a different definition of deep. The Charlotte I was referring to was last year's 7-59 squad that set a regular season record for lowest winning percentage (.106). How can a team that loses 90% of it's games be considered deep? What they were was a team full of equally bad to mediocre players. They didn't have a single player with a PER =>15.0. Not a single average NBA starter on their entire roster. To me, that sounds more like shallow than deep. They didn't have a single player that could step up and lead them to victory.

I'd take our roster and over reliance on our starters over that one any time. Who wouldn't? We only need 3 more wins to match their total for all of last season.

BNM
 
mook said:
Nice to have a big 3 with very complementary games--prototypical size, speed, shooting and athleticism at PG, SF and PF.
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Yep, we have a PG, a wing and a big man. Nice mix. If Leonard can develop into a rebounding/shot blocking presence inside, we'll really only need to stock our bench with quality veterans and role players. That's still a long way away, but so far, I'm very impressed with Lillard and the New Nic. I don't think either one has reached their peak.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
I guess we have a different definition of deep. The Charlotte I was referring to was last year's 7-59 squad that set a regular season record for lowest winning percentage (.106). How can a team that loses 90% of it's games be considered deep? What they were was a team full of equally bad to mediocre players. They didn't have a single player with a PER =>15.0. Not a single average NBA starter on their entire roster. To me, that sounds more like shallow than deep. They didn't have a single player that could step up and lead them to victory.

I'd take our roster and over reliance on our starters over that one any time. Who wouldn't? We only need 3 more wins to match their total for all of last season.

BNM
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Deep means Boris Diaw is your 8th man and is worthy of 8 FGA/game. No player on the team took more than 13.1 FGA/game.
 
Denny Crane said:
Deep means Boris Diaw is your 8th man and is worthy of 8 FGA/game. No player on the team took more than 13.1 FGA/game.
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Seriously, they won SEVEN fucking games. If that's your definition of "deep" you can have it. I'd rather have three guys who can average 20ppg than eight that suck.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Seriously, they won SEVEN fucking games. If that's your definition of "deep" you can have it. I'd rather have three guys who can average 20ppg than eight that suck.

BNM
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Blazers are championship favorites since they have 3x 20 PPG scorers.

Right?
 
being a deep team, and being a team that goes deep into your bench are not the same thing.

I'm not sure which one Denny is arguing here. If he's arguing that yes, the Bobcats sucked but went deep(er) into their bench than Portland is this year, that's probably correct. If he's arguing that the Bobcats were a deep team (this year or last year) I'm not sure what to say.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Strawman much?

No, but they are a hell of a lot better than the 8 "deep" 7-59 2011-12 Charlotte Bobcats.

BNM
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OK, granted.

You make the comparison to the champion Heat. 12:5 to win the championship.

Lakers are 11:4, OKC is 17:4.
 
Denny Crane said:
OK, granted.

You make the comparison to the champion Heat. 12:5 to win the championship.

Lakers are 11:4, OKC is 17:4.
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What's with all the Strawman arguments????? Where did I mention ANYTHING about championships? You're inventing arguments because I disagree that the WORST team in NBA history was "deep"? Really??? You're acting like a troll.

BNM
 
julius said:
being a deep team, and being a team that goes deep into your bench are not the same thing.

I'm not sure which one Denny is arguing here. If he's arguing that yes, the Bobcats sucked but went deep(er) into their bench than Portland is this year, that's probably correct. If he's arguing that the Bobcats were a deep team (this year or last year) I'm not sure what to say.
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I'm arguing they had enough players worthy of taking 10 FGA/game. If they would have drawn up plays so only 3 players got almost all the shots, they'd have had two or three 20 PPG scorers, too.

It doesn't seem to be a winning formula, 3x 20 PPG scorers. The winning formula seems to be 1 guy near 30, and another at 20.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm arguing they had enough players worthy of taking 10 FGA/game. If they would have drawn up plays so only 3 players got almost all the shots, they'd have had two or three 20 PPG scorers, too.

It doesn't seem to be a winning formula, 3x 20 PPG scorers. The winning formula seems to be 1 guy near 30, and another at 20.
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I hear what you're saying, but I think if you don't have enough talent to justify players getting a majority of shots, you are almost forced to spread the wealth. So to speak.
 
I'm not trolling. LOL.

The Bulls have Derrick Rose, 2 all-stars, and a 3rd guy who may well be (Noah). They're a superstar away from being a legit contender.

Which of this big 3 is your Rose? MVP candidate.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm arguing they had enough players worthy of taking 10 FGA/game. If they would have drawn up plays so only 3 players got almost all the shots, they'd have had two or three 20 PPG scorers, too.

It doesn't seem to be a winning formula, 3x 20 PPG scorers. The winning formula seems to be 1 guy near 30, and another at 20.
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Define worthy. If they really had 8 players worthy of taking 10 FGA per game, wouldn't they have won more than 7 games?

Again, another Strawman. I just quoted some stats. I said nothing about championships or ideal formulas. But seriously, when was the last time a team, in any sport, won a championship without a single above average player? That's why last year's Charlotte Bobcats were the worst team in NBA history. They weren't 8 deep, they had 8 players of nearly equal below averageness.

BNM
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not trolling. LOL.

The Bulls have Derrick Rose, 2 all-stars, and a 3rd guy who may well be (Noah). They're a superstar away from being a legit contender.

Which of this big 3 is your Rose? MVP candidate.
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Well, Lillard could turn into a superstar, but I don't know if MVP candidate. A lot of MVP candidate is who is chosen as the "one" by the NBA. You can't tell me they don't sell certain players over others.
 
julius said:
I hear what you're saying, but I think if you don't have enough talent to justify players getting a majority of shots, you are almost forced to spread the wealth. So to speak.
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None of their players started even 60 games in a 66 game season. Looks to me like they dumped all their best veteran players and tanked for the 1st pick, someone to go along with Kemba Walker.

I'd note they're 4-3 as I write this.
 
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