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Mediocre Man said:
I think Eric Clapton, Bo Diddley, Frank Zappa, Johnny Ramone, Alex Lifeson, David Gilmour, Chet Atkins,Duane Allman, Lindsey Buckingham, Robert Fripp, Jerry Garcia, Chuck Berry, Eric Johnson, Joe Walsh Brian May, Mark Knophler, Ritchie Blackmore, Joe Satriani, Les Paul, Dick Dale, Gary Hoey, Billy GibbonsNeil Young, hell, even Prince and Brian Setzer Are all EASILY better than Navarro. And I am sure I am missing someone obvious.
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riverman said:
Joe Pass, Tal Farlow, Wes Montgomery, Andre Segovia, Jim Hall, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Freddie King, Albert King, Rory Gallagher, Martin Barre, Paco de Lucia, Jeff Beck, Jimmie Page, Buddy Guy, Eddie Hazel, Stephen Stills, Dave Mason, Walter Becker, Skunk Baxter, Gary Moore, Tom Johnson...man this could turn out to be a book
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FYI, ALOT of those names are not rock or RocknRoll. More like Blues. I named a couple of the top Blues, because they transcend, but I was speaking of best Rock guitarist, not overall guitarist.
 
Music these days is made on computers..... the guitar is dead!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Anyone bothered enough to get stats for our best lineups? I'm curious if Leonard/Davis made a good combination (switching roles on offense and defense).
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This unit was 7th most used, about 130 minutes, had our best offense and a decent defense. Lillard-Henderson-Crabbe-Davis-Leonard 129.6 1.14 1.01 +39 16 12 57.1

This unit only played 96 minutes but had best win% (by far) of an unit.Had our best defense.
McCollum-Crabbe-Harkless-Davis-Leonard 96.3 1.09 0.99 +23 14 5 73.6

This unit didn't do very well. Did the defense get that much worse by switching in Lillard for McCollum? Or just an anomaly, only 87 minutes.
Lillard-Crabbe-Harkless-Davis-Leonard 87.8 1.00 1.12 -21 10 14 41.6

I don't think Ezeli and Leonard would be a good pairing defensively. Ezeli might be able to guard out on the perimeter, but obviously he is better guarding inside and I don't think it would be good for his knees to be moving around too much. Stotts has said he will be playing Aminu mostly at PF and I don't think the signing of Ezeli changes that. That's your starters. These statistics seem to show that Davis and Leonard should be the backup team. Much as I like Plumlee's overall game, he seems to be the odd man out. With Turner joining the team, Plumlee's passing may not be so important.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Wow, thats underating Dave Navarro quite a bit.

Jimi was Jimi, there's no doubt, but you ever watch live clips? He was sloppy as hell(Like Many of the classic rock musicians, like LedZeP)

Jimi, far more creative for sure, but Dave is a top ten Guitar player in RocknRoll. The Albulm he joined up with RHCP is way underrated in my book. "One Hot Minute"

Both Janes Addictions' "Nothing Shocking" and "Ritual De Lo Habitual" are classics.
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Oh god. Any RHCP after Blood Sugar Sex Magic is a travesty. They were the shit in the 80s when they worked with George Clinton though!
Janes Addition was great because of Perry, not Dave.
"Dave Navarro is a guitarist" would be a true statement. "Dave Navarro is one of the best guitarists ever" is not a true statement, and is proof that opinions can be wrong.
 
riverman said:
Joe Pass, Tal Farlow, Wes Montgomery, Andre Segovia, Jim Hall, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Freddie King, Albert King, Rory Gallagher, Martin Barre, Paco de Lucia, Jeff Beck, Jimmie Page, Buddy Guy, Eddie Hazel, Stephen Stills, Dave Mason, Walter Becker, Skunk Baxter, Gary Moore, Tom Johnson...man this could turn out to be a book
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See, I completely forgot about the Kings

And Navarro wouldn't even make the epilogue
 
blue9 said:
Oh god. Any RHCP after Blood Sugar Sex Magic is a travesty. They were the shit in the 80s when they worked with George Clinton though!
Janes Addition was great because of Perry, not Dave.
"Dave Navarro is a guitarist" would be a true statement. "Dave Navarro is one of the best guitarists ever" is not a true statement, and is proof that opinions can be wrong.
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Def, thier best albulm, but ONe Hot minute is up there and so is Stadium Arcadium. Personal preference though.

blue9 said:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/l...ts-of-all-time-19691231/duane-allman-20101202

I certainly don't agree with much of the ordering of this list, but nary a Navarro mention...
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Rolling Stone? Your post just lost asll Cred. COme on. ROlling Fing Stone? LMAO. At least go with Guitar Monthly or something. ROlling Stone is a laughing stock when it comes to musical lists. ask almost any musician.
 
I'm confused. Our front court plays guitar?

Our front court...is better than last year.

Our front court ...is deep enough and good enough to fuel endless trade talk, especially after Dec. 15th when guys on new contracts can be traded. Ezeli & Crabbe for Boogie? Not enough? CJ, Ezeli and filler? Endless hours of trade debates await this board.
 
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Orion Bailey said:
Def, thier best albulm, but ONe Hot minute is up there and so is Stadium Arcadium. Personal preference though.



Rolling Stone? Your post just lost asll Cred. COme on. ROlling Fing Stone? LMAO. At least go with Guitar Monthly or something. ROlling Stone is a laughing stock when it comes to musical lists. ask almost any musician.
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I agree that RS is shit - it was just the first list that popped up. Still - out of 100 guitarists there's no mention of Navarro. He's a guitarist, and better than many people in the world, but by no means special. There are probably 20-100 people in Portland that are better guitarists.
 
Dave Navarro is the Rick Fox of guitarists.
;P
 
e_blazer said:
I'm confused. Our front court plays guitar?

Our front court...is better than last year.

Our front court ...is deep enough and good enough to fuel endless trade talk, especially after Dec. 15th when guys on new contracts can be traded. Ezeli & Crabbe for Boogie? Not enough? CJ, Ezeli and filler? Endless hours of trade debates await this board.
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I would trade Oscar and Navarro for something
 
riverman said:
Joe Pass, Tal Farlow, Wes Montgomery, Andre Segovia, Jim Hall, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Freddie King, Albert King, Rory Gallagher, Martin Barre, Paco de Lucia, Jeff Beck, Jimmie Page, Buddy Guy, Eddie Hazel, Stephen Stills, Dave Mason, Walter Becker, Skunk Baxter, Gary Moore, Tom Johnson...man this could turn out to be a book
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Steve Morse, Steve Howe. Two guys better than your whole list.

Maybe not better than Beck, but probably.

Skunk was pretty awesome.
 
Denny Crane said:
Steve Morse, Steve Howe. Two guys better than your whole list.

Maybe not better than Beck, but probably.

Skunk was pretty awesome.
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I like them both but Joe Pass and Segovia would differ with this opinion..should add Django Reinhart and Tony Rice as well
 
Orion Bailey said:
FYI, ALOT of those names are not rock or RocknRoll. More like Blues. I named a couple of the top Blues, because they transcend, but I was speaking of best Rock guitarist, not overall guitarist.
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I never follow the rules when it comes to guitar...that's segregation! :)
 
Where's Santana on this list? I'm putting him on there right now! Alvin Lee too..as well as Terry Kath from the original Chicago lineup
 
If Leonard improves his defense, then Vonleh is probably out of luck except for garbage time. Vonleh still hasn't proven that he can play at the NBA level, so if Leonard becomes playable on defense, he becomes a valuable member of the team and there isn't room for Vonleh after Ezeli, Plumlee, Davis and Leonard, not to mention Aminu getting some minutes at power forward.

If Leonard doesn't improve on defense, then he's largely unplayable and the Blazers might as well give Vonleh some playing time behind Ezeli, Plumlee and Davis, because Vonleh has some potential to be solid defensively.
 
Minstrel said:
If Leonard improves his defense, then Vonleh is probably out of luck except for garbage time. Vonleh still hasn't proven that he can play at the NBA level, so if Leonard becomes playable on defense, he becomes a valuable member of the team and there isn't room for Vonleh after Ezeli, Plumlee, Davis and Leonard, not to mention Aminu getting some minutes at power forward.

If Leonard doesn't improve on defense, then he's largely unplayable and the Blazers might as well give Vonleh some playing time behind Ezeli, Plumlee and Davis, because Vonleh has some potential to be solid defensively.
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Do you honestly think that Leonard's defense at this point is worse than Vonleh's offense?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Do you honestly think that Leonard's defense at this point is worse than Vonleh's offense?
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I don't know if it's worse--I do think you can more effectively play 4-on-5 on offense than you can play 4-on-5 on defense, largely because offense can generally dictate where the ball goes. Not that 4-on-5 on offense is anything short of really bad, but I think 4-on-5 on defense is disastrous.
 
I think that the idea of having a "center" is dying out....it's more like 2 power forwards with some speed is the trend. As far as minutes...I look at our stable of bench bigs as a bullpen of relief pitchers...trot them out for matchups or fresh legs and not worry about whether they play 10 minutes or 20 minutes. Vonleh will probably take Kaman's old job of cheering from the sidelines
 
riverman said:
I think that the idea of having a "center" is dying out....it's more like 2 power forwards with some speed is the trend. As far as minutes...I look at our stable of bench bigs as a bullpen of relief pitchers...trot them out for matchups or fresh legs and not worry about whether they play 10 minutes or 20 minutes. Vonleh will probably take Kaman's old job of cheering from the sidelines
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Someone has to guard Dwight Howard.
 
Training camp should sort this out. It's going to be a dogfight for rotation spots. I wouldn't count out Plumlee or Davis for making improvements over the offseason
 
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