Our "Gasol" trade... Multiple Ideas

[BlazerFanForLife]

THIS IS A LIST OF TRADE IDEA THAT WILL LAND PORTLAND ANOTHER STAR PLAYER ALL HAVE SOME REASONING BEHIND THEM SO ARE ATLEAST PLAUSIBLE PLEASE ADD ANY INPUT AND MAKE YOUR OWN TRADE SUGGESTIONS

Trade Idea #uno
Toronto Currently situated #8 in the East continues to struggle and at the all star break is fighting for a playoff seed. Colangello doesn't like his chances of retaining Bosh and becomes open to offers.
Portland Trades: LaMarcus Aldridge, Travis Outlaw, Steve Blake for Chris Bosh (trade accepted by all CBA rules and matching salaries)

Outlaw and Blake are both expiring contracts allowing Toronto to only take on the salary of LaMarcus which is much more than they could have hoped with if Bosh were to leave. This gives them a very unique frontcourt of Barganini and Aldridge with Calderone Derozen and Hedo filling out the lineup.

Trade Scenario #2 "The Butler"
The Wizards are currently bottom dwellers in the East and there has been talk of Butler tuning out the rest of his teammates already. With a team built around Arenas and Jamison Butler could just talk his way out of town...
Portland Trades #1: Steve Blake, Travis Outlaw, Rudy Fernadez for Caron Butler
Trade Possibility #2: Martel, Outlaw and Fernadez for Caron Butler.
Matters what the Wizards want in the trade and who they expect to resign/ let walk during free agency. The first trade is two expiring contracts in Blake and Outlaw allowing the Wiz to reduce payroll/sign who they want. The second trade lets them keep Martel and Rudy with Outlaw a possible returner as a off the bench scorer. Butler is big enough to even play Outlaw's role as a small 4 in a up tempo offence.

Trade Scenario #3 "The Shot, Kevin Martin"
Kings are horrible and we all know it. Kevin Martin is a great player on a bad team. He is an injury risk but is a great scorer and is versatile enough to play both the 2 and 3 as he's 6'7. I would be worried about his tendency to also get lost on defense which could easily be attributed to his weak team defence. The bottom line is he's the second coming of Ray Allen who makes his teammates better and is a winner.
Portland Trades: Outlaw, Webster, Rudy for Martin
Portland clears some of the logjam at the 2/3 giving them a starting 5 of Miller, Roy, Marin, LMA, Pryz with Bayless and Batum playing backup 1-3.

Trade Scenario #4 "Gay... Rudy Gay"
Memphis didn't sign Rudy Gay to a offer sheet so they might very well consider letting him walk this year. With Gay coming to our roster he will take most of the time at SF
Portland Trades Outlaw and Batum for Rudy Gay
the trade gives memphis a great perimiter defender something it is sorely lacking and one that is able to knock down the three ball

 

[maxiep]

LeBron for Mills.

Make it happen, KP!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

These big ideas died when KP let RLEC expire.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It shows how totally lopsided that deal was for LA when every single one of those lopsided trades the OP mentioned doesn't come close to the garbage LA sent Memphis.

 

[maxiep]

It shows how totally lopsided that deal was for LA when every single one of those lopsided trades the OP mentioned doesn't come close to the garbage LA sent Memphis.

It wasn't just the crap Memphis got in return, it was that it was WEEKS before the trade deadline and then Memphis declared "it was the best deal on the table".

Bottom line, Jerry West put a bug in the ear of Michael Heisley.

 

[hasoos]

I hate to say it, but I don't think there is a Gasol trade out there for Portland at this point.

 

[maxiep]

I hate to say it, but I don't think there is a Gasol trade out there for Portland at this point.

Only if you mean that we send out our best player and get a Marc Gasol-like player in return.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It shows how totally lopsided that deal was for LA when every single one of those lopsided trades the OP mentioned doesn't come close to the garbage LA sent Memphis.

Seconded. I looked at each one and none of them seemed even remotely like the Gasol deal. I was hoping to see the Steve Blake, Victor Claver, Martell Webster and Patty Mills for Chris Bosh option.

 

[rocketeer]

are people still trying to pretend the gasol trade was some terrible deal? memphis got exactly what they wanted out of the trade. they were a terrible team with gasol, they didn't get any worse by getting rid of him. they cut a large amount of salary, added two 1st round picks, marc gasol, and javaris crittenton who has just been a first round pick.

when they are already terrible and don't get any worse making the trade, how is that a bad deal?

 

[hasoos]

are people still trying to pretend the gasol trade was some terrible deal? memphis got exactly what they wanted out of the trade. they were a terrible team with gasol, they didn't get any worse by getting rid of him. they cut a large amount of salary, added two 1st round picks, marc gasol, and javaris crittenton who has just been a first round pick.

when they are already terrible and don't get any worse making the trade, how is that a bad deal?

Marc is turning into a pretty damn good player IMO. The trade is looking better for them as time is moving on.

 

[MARIS61]

If that's the kind of offers KP gets I'm surprised he even gives out his phone number.

Those guys aren't what I call stars and certainly aren't worth 3 major rotation guys each.

None of them would improve our team noticeably even if we got them for free. Just more battles over egos and PT.

 

[maxiep]

are people still trying to pretend the gasol trade was some terrible deal? memphis got exactly what they wanted out of the trade. they were a terrible team with gasol, they didn't get any worse by getting rid of him. they cut a large amount of salary, added two 1st round picks, marc gasol, and javaris crittenton who has just been a first round pick.

when they are already terrible and don't get any worse making the trade, how is that a bad deal?

Um, because they likely could have gotten more young, inexpensive talent? They lucked out with Marc. It was a pure salary dump that turned out okay for them. The goal of a deal is to improve, not have the upside being that you'll suck about as much as you did before.

 

[MARIS61]

Besides, "Gasol trades" are exclusively designed, coordinated and approved by David Stern.

 

[Minstrel]

Um, because they likely could have gotten more young, inexpensive talent? They lucked out with Marc.

I don't think it's entirely fair to say they "lucked out" with Marc. He was arguably the best Euroleague prospect prior to entering the NBA. He was at least on the level of Rudy Fernandez as a prospect, and a big man. He was a pretty valuable prospect to get and it's not that surprising that he's playing well.

I don't think it was a great trade by any means. I think it was a below-average trade but not a historically bad one.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If that's the kind of offers KP gets I'm surprised he even gives out his phone number.

Those guys aren't what I call stars and certainly aren't worth 3 major rotation guys each.

None of them would improve our team noticeably even if we got them for free. Just more battles over egos and PT.

lemme guess. Bake it?

 

[Idog1976]

It wasn't just the crap Memphis got in return, it was that it was WEEKS before the trade deadline and then Memphis declared "it was the best deal on the table".

Bottom line, Jerry West put a bug in the ear of Michael Heisley.

OH wow that's how he did it! The mind control ear bugs from "Star Trek: The Wrath of Kahn" that makes SOOOOO much more sense now. I thought it was just stupidity now I realize it's extra-terrestrial mind control based decision making. Perhaps there are more of these bugs and they are telling KP to keep Blake...

 

[rocketeer]

Um, because they likely could have gotten more young, inexpensive talent? They lucked out with Marc. It was a pure salary dump that turned out okay for them. The goal of a deal is to improve, not have the upside being that you'll suck about as much as you did before.

the goal of the deal was to dump gasol's salary while acquiring some young potential talented players. that's exactly what they did.

where is the more young, inexpensive talent they could have gotten? the bulls trade people always talk about where they could have brought in overpaid players?

you're right that the goal was a pure salary dump. and there wasn't a team in the league that could have offered them a better salary dump than the lakers did.

 

[B-Roy]

Seconded. I looked at each one and none of them seemed even remotely like the Gasol deal. I was hoping to see the Steve Blake, Victor Claver, Martell Webster and Patty Mills for Chris Bosh option.

It actually looks like a decent deal in hindsight because of Marc.

 

[DaRizzle]

Jerry West had fully severed ties with MEM before the Gasol trade
Lakers had the most in expiring contracts which was MEM goal (for right or wrong), they wanted salary relief.
It was a financial trade for MEM and a talent trade for LA

 

[DaRizzle]

It actually looks like a decent deal in hindsight because of Marc.

who had already been named Euro MVP before the trade

 

[AKIRA]

man, you blazers fans are bitter about the lakers, lol, its hilarious.

That trade was two years ago and you still cant get over it or understand that memphis got a pretty good deal, they wanted enough time to rebuild around their young stars so they made the trade earlier than the deadline. Gasol wasnt doing anything for that team and they had no upside and were begining to grow stale, the trade free'd them up to explore different options for the team, to start in a new direction, and at the moment they seem to be doing pretty good by my standards.

Not a lopsided trade if you pay attention to the more important factors of the deal; and hey, if the lakers hadnt made it to the finals or never won the championship and done badly with gasol you would say, well memphis did alright didnt they. stop all the hate, its wasting everyones time, and its embarrassing.

anyway, id love to see butler on this team, and of the deals youv'e proposed that seems the most likely to occur. i think bosh is out of reach unless equal talent comes in return.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Kevin Martin is the Greg Oden of guards. Tons of potential but rarely plays. No thanks.

 

[MIXUM]

real simple...

blake and outlaw packaged (2 expiring contracts) = nice player back.

blake is fallen out of favor with fans and nate (sounds that way)

 

[BigVolcano]

This gives them a very unique frontcourt of Barganini and Aldridge with Calderone Derozen and Hedo filling out the lineup.

How is that better/different than Bosh and Bargnani?

 

[drexlersdad]

How is that better/different than Bosh and Bargnani?

its not better

 

[Nikolokolus]

real simple...

blake and outlaw packaged (2 expiring contracts) = so-so, underperforming and/or old guy.

blake is fallen out of favor with fans and nate (sounds that way)

"Fiksed"

 

[maxiep]

the goal of the deal was to dump gasol's salary while acquiring some young potential talented players. that's exactly what they did.

where is the more young, inexpensive talent they could have gotten? the bulls trade people always talk about where they could have brought in overpaid players?

you're right that the goal was a pure salary dump. and there wasn't a team in the league that could have offered them a better salary dump than the lakers did.

Not weeks before the deadline. The closer you get to the deadline, the better the offers get. I remember GMs around the league were angry because they felt they didn't get a fair shot at Pau.

 

[rocketeer]

Not weeks before the deadline. The closer you get to the deadline, the better the offers get. I remember GMs around the league were angry because they felt they didn't get a fair shot at Pau.

getting closer to the deadline doesn't always make the offers get better. it can, or they could get worse if teams know you have to make a deal. memphis wasn't looking for equal talent. they were looking to cut salary. if they find a deal that achieves all their goals(cut salary and add cheap young talent), why should they continue waiting around until the trade deadline?

i mean you must at least be pissed off about the spurs getting richard jefferson this summer for absolutely nothing as well, right?

 

[maxiep]

getting closer to the deadline doesn't always make the offers get better. it can, or they could get worse if teams know you have to make a deal. memphis wasn't looking for equal talent. they were looking to cut salary. if they find a deal that achieves all their goals(cut salary and add cheap young talent), why should they continue waiting around until the trade deadline?

So, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon and a second round pick who didn't look to have NBA athleticism was the best they knew they could do? I find that hard to believe. You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.

Again, I recall the shock, surprise and (in some cases) anger from NBA GMs who were surprised how cheaply Gasol went for, and how some didn't think they had a fair shot at making an offer for him.

i mean you must at least be pissed off about the spurs getting richard jefferson this summer for absolutely nothing as well, right?

Not particularly. Richard Jefferson is overpaid and on the downside of his career. If the Spurs would have gotten Jefferson weeks before the trade deadline for table scraps four years ago, many would have been surprised and annoyed.

 

[rocketeer]

So, Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittendon and a second round pick who didn't look to have NBA athleticism was the best they knew they could do? I find that hard to believe. You and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.

it wasn't a 2nd round pick, it was marc gasol(who had been a 2nd round pick the previous year). add in the lakers 2008 and 2010 1st round picks and you have the deal. kwame brown's expiring contract, 3 late first round picks on cheap contracts, and the rights to a fairly highly thought of european player that costs them nothing if he doesn't pan out. that was the deal. i'm saying that there wasn't a team offering an equal or better combination of expiring contracts and young talent or else a different deal would have happened.

Again, I recall the shock, surprise and (in some cases) anger from NBA GMs who were surprised how cheaply Gasol went for, and how some didn't think they had a fair shot at making an offer for him.

right. nba gms would have preferred that they benefited from memphis wanted to dump gasol's salary rather than the lakers benefiting from it. i don't think that's really relevant.

Not particularly. Richard Jefferson is overpaid and on the downside of his career. If the Spurs would have gotten Jefferson weeks before the trade deadline for table scraps four years ago, many would have been surprised and annoyed.

richard jefferson was acquired for nothing but expiring contracts. the deal to acquire him was much more lopsided than the one in which the lakers got gasol.