Our hero, Brandon Roy cost PA 17 mill

[PapaG]

How much money did Roy make for Paul Allen on that rookie contract? More than $17m, I'd say, since you literally could get free tickets to games prior to Roy being drafted, in hopes that you'd spend some money on concessions.

 

[THE HCP]

Who is the Brandon Roy of S2 and why?

 

[PapaG]

Who is the Brandon Roy of S2 and why?

Nobody here has brought anything close to the Blazers as did #7.

Haters gonna hate, though.

 

[THE HCP]

Nobody here has brought anything close to the Blazers as did #7.

Haters gonna hate, though.

Papa you are our Travis Outlaw..... tons of athleticism and potential, but other then a couple game winners you haven't brought much to the table!

 

[PapaG]

Papa you are our Travis Outlaw..... tons of athleticism and potential, but other then a couple game winners you haven't brought much to the table!

I'll take it!

 

[KingSpeed]

As someone else said, there is a good chance money changed hands. I've heard of that happening before. But maybe he just did it 'cause he's a good guy. Donno.

I believe Jamal Crawford paid Babbitt 10-12,000 dollars for number 11.

 

[KingSpeed]

Can I be the Rasheed Wallace of S2? We were born only three weeks apart!

 

[PapaG]

Can I be the Rasheed Wallace of S2? We were born only three weeks apart!

Perhaps the perfect match. Brilliant at times, disinterested at others, emotional always, and seems to fade away when things get to heated in the battle. It makes perfect sense.

I really think I posted something similar to this years ago about you, KS.

 

[KingSpeed]

Perhaps the perfect match. Brilliant at times, disinterested at others, emotional always, and seems to fade away when things get to heated in the battle. It makes perfect sense.

I really think I posted something similar to this years ago about you, KS.

Hahahaha! I love it. I will take that.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Can I be the Rasheed Wallace of S2? We were born only three weeks apart!

Same mother?

 

[Draco]

Allen has to pay $17m of the $82m. Doesn't that mean that ~80% of it was insured, since that's who is paying the rest of the contract?

Am I missing something here?

No thats not what the article says.

When the Trail Blazers gave Roy his max deal, they were apparently able to insure only a fraction of it because of the condition of his knees. But, sources say, they were able to get a limited amount of permanent disability insurance on him that would cover 17 million of the amount owed the player.

If and when Roy plays again, Portland apparently will not be able to collect that 17 million, none of which has been paid to date.

 

[PapaG]

No thats not what the article says.

So it's an extra $17m either way. The way you phrased it didn't make it seem that way. Having to pay 20% more isn't really a big deal to me, but I know I'm in the minority on that stance.

 

[Draco]

Roy probably won't walk without pain for the rest of his life because of what he left on the court in Portland, and people are bitching because a multi-billionaire has to pay 20% of Roy's contract.

Hey you are a passionate Roy supporter, I get that. Some of us don't think as highly of Roy as others. He was an all-star here and I cheered for him every time he played but he had big faults in his game and the team didn't fulfill the expectations some of us had. Roy's play often frustrated me because I felt he had the potential to be a more complete player.

Roy wanted the ball in his hands, he wanted to take the majority of the teams shots and he wanted the offense to go through him. He complained when he had less touches even if the team was succeeding. He complained when Andre Miller was playing at PG even though the team got superior looks on offense. When Roy finally had to sit out most of his final season LaMarcus blew up to be an all-star. Why couldn't Roy have shared some of the spot light with LaMarcus earlier? Maybe if Roy had been able to elevate players around him instead of focusing on his own play the team could've won a playoff series.

Hey I loved watching his game 4 against Dallas but he was terrible the rest of the series and we got smoked in the playoffs. Winning one battle in game 4 but losing the war was Roy's career as a Blazer in a nutshell. I wish we'd had a chance to see more of it and see if he could've grown as a player. In the end what he accomplished in his Blazer career was the same thing other new players provide in the NBA every couple of years. A nice story at the time, but in NBA history nothing special.

 

[Draco]

So it's an extra $17m either way. The way you phrased it didn't make it seem that way. Having to pay 20% more isn't really a big deal to me, but I know I'm in the minority on that stance.

Yes as I said in my other posts it only cost the Blazers $17 million; but in interviews KP made the insurance sound as though it was for the entire $82 million which it never was.

 

[PapaG]

Yes as I said in my other posts it only cost the Blazers $17 million; but in interviews KP made the insurance sound as though it was for the entire $82 million which it never was.

Wait, so we're back to ~80% of the contract being covered by insurance? Your initial post had that backward, then.

 

[jlprk]

Originally Posted by PapaG
Allen has to pay $17m of the $82m. Doesn't that mean that ~80% of it was insured, since that's who is paying the rest of the contract?

Am I missing something here?

No thats not what the article says.

When the Trail Blazers gave Roy his max deal, they were apparently able to insure only a fraction of it because of the condition of his knees. But, sources say, they were able to get a limited amount of permanent disability insurance on him that would cover 17 million of the amount owed the player.

If and when Roy plays again, Portland apparently will not be able to collect that 17 million, none of which has been paid to date.

So it's an extra $17m either way. The way you phrased it didn't make it seem that way. Having to pay 20% more isn't really a big deal to me, but I know I'm in the minority on that stance.

It's pretty obvious that it says that Allen pays the whole $84M if Roy plays again, and $67M if Roy doesn't. Pritchard lied as usual.

 

[crandc]

Roy probably won't walk without pain for the rest of his life because of what he left on the court in Portland, and people are bitching because a multi-billionaire has to pay 20% of Roy's contract.

I really get embarrassed by Blazer fans sometimes. No wonder nobody with any elite talent wants to play in this city these days. We're seeing the same thing all over again with LMA, as the Chicken Littles try to run him out of town, too.

I'll probably be told that I'm hateful --- but I absolutely agree with paragraph 1 of this post. I think it's an exaggeration that "nobody wants to play" in Portland these days. Win and they will come.

 

[Draco]

Wait, so we're back to ~80% of the contract being covered by insurance? Your initial post had that backward, then.

I never saild that. Where the hell did you get that idea? Reading comprehension fail

 

[blue9]

Hey you are a passionate Roy supporter, I get that. Some of us don't think as highly of Roy as others. He was an all-star here and I cheered for him every time he played but he had big faults in his game and the team didn't fulfill the expectations some of us had. Roy's play often frustrated me because I felt he had the potential to be a more complete player.

Roy wanted the ball in his hands, he wanted to take the majority of the teams shots and he wanted the offense to go through him. He complained when he had less touches even if the team was succeeding. He complained when Andre Miller was playing at PG even though the team got superior looks on offense. When Roy finally had to sit out most of his final season LaMarcus blew up to be an all-star. Why couldn't Roy have shared some of the spot light with LaMarcus earlier? Maybe if Roy had been able to elevate players around him instead of focusing on his own play the team could've won a playoff series.

Hey I loved watching his game 4 against Dallas but he was terrible the rest of the series and we got smoked in the playoffs. Winning one battle in game 4 but losing the war was Roy's career as a Blazer in a nutshell. I wish we'd had a chance to see more of it and see if he could've grown as a player. In the end what he accomplished in his Blazer career was the same thing other new players provide in the NBA every couple of years. A nice story at the time, but in NBA history nothing special.

REPPED!
Roy fooled a bunch of people early on in his career by being speaking "openly" to the press. He knew how to say the right things so people would like him. But after he created his "nice guy" persona through the media he became very self-centered and it was quite obvious he cared more about HIS game than the team's game.

 

[illmatic99]

So easy to diminish his accomplishments after he leaves. Three time all star, multiple all-NBA selections, ROY, face of the franchise, legendary playoff performances (not just game 4, remember how he torched Battier, Artest, and Yao in his first appearance in the postseason???), etc. He did this in just five seasons.

At the time, he was our best option without question. You guys remember how vilified Kobe was early in his career? He only truly got the recognition he deserved after they got Pau like 11 years into his career. Not comparing their talents as much as I am their circumstances. Roy unfortunately never had the longevity to completely develop his game and perform more in the playoffs, and that's a shame for all of us.

But the dude gave his knees for this team and city and that should be acknowledged.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So easy to diminish his accomplishments after he leaves. Three time all star, multiple all-NBA selections, ROY, face of the franchise, legendary playoff performances (not just game 4, remember how he torched Battier, Artest, and Yao in his first appearance in the postseason???), etc. He did this in just five seasons.

At the time, he was our best option without question. You guys remember how vilified Kobe was early in his career? He only truly got the recognition he deserved after they got Pau like 11 years into his career. Not comparing their talents as much as I am their circumstances. Roy unfortunately never had the longevity to completely develop his game and perform more in the playoffs, and that's a shame for all of us.

But the dude gave his knees for this team and city and that should be acknowledged.

Again, talk to me when guys like

Thompson
Paxson
Sabas
Kersey
Buck
Duck
Aldridge
and many others make it up there

 

[BBert]

But the dude gave his knees for this team and city and that should be acknowledged.

See, I guess I'm cynical. I don't believe he gave his knees for the team and the city. I believe he gave his knees for $84 million and for his family. I believe he signed a max contract knowing he could not fulfill that contract (just like he conned the Timberpups out of $5 million last year). I believe were it not for the amnesty clause in the new CBA, his actions would have crippled this franchise, and harmed the fans. I believe I would have done the exact same thing (or worse) for $84 million.

I don't mean to diminish what Brandon meant to the franchise or to the fans, or how good he really was, or the games he won for us almost single-handedly. If Roy had stayed even reasonably healthy for the duration of his second contract, I would lead the parade when his number got retired. It just wasn't meant to be. I just want to put the whole Roy/Oden episode behind me. Raising a stink every time someone wears No. 7 doesn't help salve my wounds.

 

[blue9]

Three time all star

Don't care.

multiple all-NBA selections

Don't care.

ROY

Don't care.

face of the franchise

Don't care.

These are all individual awards/accolades that are meaningless to team success. Don't get me wrong - he was a great player. I mostly loved watching him play. But he could have been so much better than he was, but it would have meant giving up a little bit of the spot light (at least in the short term) and he wasn't willing to do that. And his words and actions forever tarnished his image.

But the dude gave his knees for this team and city and that should be acknowledged.

No, he gave his knees for the money and fame. If he did have any positive feelings towards the city/team/fans, it played a VERY minor roll in him "giving his knees" away. Without the money and fame he certainly wouldn't have risked crippling himself. He didn't do it for us, he did it for himself.

 

[Draco]

But the dude gave his knees for this team and city and that should be acknowledged.

If so I don’t think that makes him a hero it makes him a stubborn dumbass. If Roy could've played less minutes and rested on back to backs to still be playing today he and the team would be better off. He didn't win a playoff series so what did he damage his knees for? Elevating a lottery team to a first round loser. Historically that’s an accomplishment players achieve every year in the NBA.

I never liked this tough guy mentality that its good to significantly risk damaging your body to play minutes. I think players should get healthy and rested enough so they don’t have an elevated risk of further injury. I’d rather see a Derrick Rose sit out than see some guy hobbling around for years.

 

[illmatic99]

So much hate

smh.

oh, and it ain't my money. That obviously changes my perspective on this. And it's not like PA is curbing spending because of just this contract.

 

[Masbee]

So much hate

smh.

oh, and it ain't my money. That obviously changes my perspective on this. And it's not like PA is curbing spending because of just this contract.

Yeah, if only that were true. Alas, it is not.

The Blazers were put on a " budget" - at least compared to past spending. Allen told them he wouldn't write them checks any longer - they had to balance income vs. expenses. Blazer staff lost their jobs. Blazer GM's have been put on a "budget" too. Notice we haven't been splashing out money for picks or high priced free agents in years and years? When Miller came in he said he was going to "balance" the Blazer budget.

Roy's salary comes out of the team yearly budget regardless of it being wiped off the salary cap. All amnesty did was allow the team to avoid the luxury tax without having to dump a player (Batum?).

Roy's deal has had an impact on the team even if some fans don't want to hear that.

 

[magnifier661]

Don't care.

Don't care.

Don't care.

Don't care.

These are all individual awards/accolades that are meaningless to team success. Don't get me wrong - he was a great player. I mostly loved watching him play. But he could have been so much better than he was, but it would have meant giving up a little bit of the spot light (at least in the short term) and he wasn't willing to do that. And his words and actions forever tarnished his image.


No, he gave his knees for the money and fame. If he did have any positive feelings towards the city/team/fans, it played a VERY minor roll in him "giving his knees" away. Without the money and fame he certainly wouldn't have risked crippling himself. He didn't do it for us, he did it for himself.

The "Don't care" is precisely why the Blazers went from a "proud" winning franchise, to the "Jail Blazers". If you don't understand what other things Roy helped do for this franchise, then you don't understand the true value of a player.

We were the laughing stock of the NBA, to a up and coming team that was respected around the league. That was mainly due to Roy and his "Media Darling" story.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah, if only that were true. Alas, it is not.

The Blazers were put on a " budget" - at least compared to past spending. Allen told them he wouldn't write them checks any longer - they had to balance income vs. expenses. Blazer staff lost their jobs. Blazer GM's have been put on a "budget" too. Notice we haven't been splashing out money for picks or high priced free agents in years and years? When Miller came in he said he was going to "balance" the Blazer budget.

Roy's salary comes out of the team yearly budget regardless of it being wiped off the salary cap. All amnesty did was allow the team to avoid the luxury tax without having to dump a player (Batum?).

Roy's deal has had an impact on the team even if some fans don't want to hear that.

That was before Roy though.

 

[illmatic99]

Roy's deal has had an impact on the team even if some fans don't want to hear that.

Obviously. It's not the sole reason however. The primary reason for PA's increased frugality now is the new CBA.

 

[magnifier661]

Obviously. It's not the sole reason however. The primary reason for PA's increased frugality now is the new CBA.

If we make it to the WCF, I suspect Allen would open up his pocket book.