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both need to go this off season in my opinion. maybe we have their replacements already with bayless/sergio and martell/batum, but regardless, they shouldn't be in the long term plans for this team. outlaw just doesn't have it mentally with stupid mistake and bad shots. and blake just isn't skilled enough to be that deficient athletically.
 
we need a vet on our team thats strong enough to tell roy to pick up his game when he plays lazy like today. either PG or SF, one of those positions needs to be upgraded with a vet, and andre miller would be a good option
 
Blake was 6-11, 4-7 from 3pt land with 10 assists and 2 TOs.

???? Why no love for Blakester?
 
If Brandon Roy was in the game, that last shot from Blake would not have happened.
 
he can't run a fast break, can't create his own shot, doesn't pass into the post very well, even when we have a center who is wide open. and possibly worst of all, he doesn't put any pressure on opposing PG's and C's by driving in and picking up fouls against them.
 
KingSpeed said:
He had a great game until he failed to get Rudy the ball with us down 3.
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Everybody in the building was expecting Rudy to get the ball. How good of a look do people think he would have had?

He's not the most shifty guy of all time - he would have had a hard time getting a clean look HAD Blakey got him the rock.
 
Outlaw=Playoff choker so far. When you look to see what kind of players you are going to have in the playoffs, and who will step up, so far it sure isn't Outlaw. Top it off with the near zero from Batum, and the Blazers are getting zilch from the SF spot.
 
Blake is a keeper it was one play, a dumb play, but only one play. I have been saying for 3 seasons Outlaw needs to be dealt, but I am afraid his value has peaked.
 
yakbladder said:
Blake was 6-11, 4-7 from 3pt land with 10 assists and 2 TOs.

???? Why no love for Blakester?
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Terrible decision making down the stretch.

And just because he got a dime for passing it to the player that scored, didn't mean he was really creating many shots for his teammates (albeit he had a great stretch where he fed it to Oden and LMA on a few possessions in a row), but overall he just doesn't have the right mix of athleticism and ability to create off the dribble that you look for in a high quality starter at the one.
 
Blake played ok. That's what Blake does. Play ok. It's unfortunate for the Blazers that the two types of PG Houston has are quick and physical, both are problems for him defensivly.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Terrible decision making down the stretch.

And just because he got a dime for passing it to the player that scored, didn't mean he was really creating many shots for his teammates (albeit he had a great stretch where he fed it to Oden and LMA on a few possessions in a row), but overall he just doesn't have the right mix of athleticism and ability to create off the dribble that you look for in a high quality starter at the one.
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Well he could run straight to the basket and try passing out like Sergio but I don't think that's going to work with Houston's propensity to look for the steal. I think he did fine. He made one really bad play and people are lumping it on, but in reality there were a variety of factors that caused the loss. I think he's a good scorer and for many PGs plays really good D. Brooks didn't have that great of a game tonight, perhaps that's lost on people..
 
Nikolokolus said:
Terrible decision making down the stretch.

And just because he got a dime for passing it to the player that scored, didn't mean he was really creating many shots for his teammates (albeit he had a great stretch where he fed it to Oden and LMA on a few possessions in a row), but overall he just doesn't have the right mix of athleticism and ability to create off the dribble that you look for in a high quality starter at the one.
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exactly, a PG needs to drive and put pressure on the opposing defense, sergio does this at least and causes the d to collapse so he can dish to open shooters. blake however isn't good at this. not saying sergio is a great pg or even should play much, but he does put pressure on the d.
 
Why Batum gets 10 minutes is beyond me. It's like he gets punished for NOT taking bad shots.
 
HELL Yeah! The team's in the middle of the first round, making a good showing, and still in the series. Great to have the fans talking about how crappy the starting pg and 6th man are. You go guys.
 
Deebag said:
Why Batum gets 10 minutes is beyond me. It's like he gets punished for NOT taking bad shots.
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Batum looks totally psyched out by this series. He looks really unsure of himself, and I think Nate has moved him out of the rotation. Not sure why he's even starting him if he's not going to play him meaningful minutes.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Terrible decision making down the stretch.

And just because he got a dime for passing it to the player that scored, didn't mean he was really creating many shots for his teammates (albeit he had a great stretch where he fed it to Oden and LMA on a few possessions in a row), but overall he just doesn't have the right mix of athleticism and ability to create off the dribble that you look for in a high quality starter at the one.
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holy shit me and nik agree. the guy was horrible tonight, don't let his 10 dimes fool you. like others have stated, the lack of running a fast break, creating shots for himself or others, his piss poor defense, etc. i am not so hot on miller but he'd have to be an upgrade over blake.

outlaw, well outlaw is tough for me, can we get rid of him before game 4? this guy has been a no-show in the three games so far and is playing like a complete bone head.

renounce them both and save us the 8 million to go after a decent free agent.
 
oldguy said:
HELL Yeah! The team's in the middle of the first round, making a good showing, and still in the series. Great to have the fans talking about how crappy the starting pg and 6th man are. You go guys.
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We blew HCA and we're getting owned by the refs. You're one of those guys who is happy with the silver medal. I'm the guy who puts the silver medal in a drawer somewhere and busts my ass to get the gold.
 
Yea this is the kind of crap that makes me wonder what would have happened if they would have traded for RJ, Carter, etc. I can guarantee the scoring drouts would not have happened. Every single one of those guys mentiones rises in the playoffs, not chokes.
 
veteran leadership is drastically under rated. those saying we didn't because roy plays like a veteran need a reality check, he might play like one, but he isn't. there's a difference when you need a vet to calm players down and tell them to get their head into the game. young players will always settle for easier shots by launching jumpers, while vets will get on them to make better basketball plays.

this offseason, i would love to pick up bibby or andre miller to be that vet for next year, he can groom whoever our pg of the future is, bayless/sergio/kopenin, and will be a much better option in the playoffs
 
Now wait a sec....I will agree that Blake is NOT the answer at STARTING PG...but I have to give him a little credit...he played much better in the 2nd half than the 1st half, but it SHOULD be clear that he is NOT the starting PG for a championship caliber team...as a backup I could see that possibility, as a starter no way....


Regarding Outlaw, I am glad someone else posted this b\c I was going to...He has got to go...period....This is his what? 6th? year? You cannot blame jitters when you have been in the NBA for 6 years, playoffs or no...and he has been 100% horrendous through the 1st 3 games....how he got ANY time over Rudy is beyond me...

The simple fact is that if Outlaw cannot score he is a DETRIMENT on the court, and that is exactly what he has been the last 3 games....

Roy & LA cannot carry this team on thier own...Rudy showed up big tonight....no one else did...Oden had his spurts, but he doesn't get enough opportunitie and he has to avoid the silly\stupid fouls so he can stay in the game...I give Batum a pass b\c he IS a rookie, and only 20yrs old, and its not like Nate played him a lot either.....

This team is missing Martell Webster....I think he would have been a difference in this series....

Oh and one more thing....some vets would have been nice...I fully expect Pritchard to rectify that mistake....
 
yeah, somebody needs to teach oden not to throw his hip out when a pg is running passed him, that seems to be where he picks up a ton of cheap fouls. i think we need a better big man coach to work on oden's offense, anybody know what sabas is doing? maybe bill walton will want to do some teaching? i say we sign luke walton, and bring bill up with him to coach our bigs.
 
Blaze01 said:
Now wait a sec....I will agree that Blake is NOT the answer at STARTING PG...but I have to give him a little credit...he played much better in the 2nd half than the 1st half, but it SHOULD be clear that he is NOT the starting PG for a championship caliber team...as a backup I could see that possibility, as a starter no way....


Regarding Outlaw, I am glad someone else posted this b\c I was going to...He has got to go...period....This is his what? 6th? year? You cannot blame jitters when you have been in the NBA for 6 years, playoffs or no...and he has been 100% horrendous through the 1st 3 games....how he got ANY time over Rudy is beyond me...

The simple fact is that if Outlaw cannot score he is a DETRIMENT on the court, and that is exactly what he has been the last 3 games....

Roy & LA cannot carry this team on thier own...Rudy showed up big tonight....no one else did...Oden had his spurts, but he doesn't get enough opportunitie and he has to avoid the silly\stupid fouls so he can stay in the game...I give Batum a pass b\c he IS a rookie, and only 20yrs old, and its not like Nate played him a lot either.....

This team is missing Martell Webster....I think he would have been a difference in this series....

Oh and one more thing....some vets would have been nice...I fully expect Pritchard to rectify that mistake....
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I've been saying it for years. Travis Outlaw is the kind of guy who makes the mistakes that lose you games in the playoffs. He has a TERRIBLE basketball IQ. He may be a great scorer off the bench during the regular season, but during the playoffs every possession counts. How many possessions did Outlaw cost us tonight?
 
retroblazers said:
yeah, somebody needs to teach oden not to throw his hip out when a pg is running passed him, that seems to be where he picks up a ton of cheap fouls. i think we need a better big man coach to work on oden's offense, anybody know what sabas is doing? maybe bill walton will want to do some teaching? i say we sign luke walton, and bring bill up with him to coach our bigs.
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I wouldn't want Sabonis teaching him. Sabonis was a finesse player, and Oden is definitly not.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We blew HCA and we're getting owned by the refs. You're one of those guys who is happy with the silver medal. I'm the guy who puts the silver medal in a drawer somewhere and busts my ass to get the gold.
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Being owned by the refs is not the Blazers' fault.

I guess I did kind of expect that a team that plays three rookies just might have a tough time in virtually the first playoff game of their careers. It cost them HCA. They nearly stole HCA back tonight, but let's not give them any love for that.

Why stop with Travis and Steve? Might as well pile on the rest of the guys that had sub par games too.

Steve played great tonight, less one play. I wish Trav was playing better, but I'm sure not going to turn on him in the middle of the series.

Go Blazers

Edit: I forgot to ask.....How many of those silver medals do you have in that drawer, Nate? Any gold ones?
 
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I want this roster next year, and I think it's possible.

Nash(24)/Fernandez(24)...StephCurry
Roy(34)/Sergio(14)...Koponen
Webster(24)/Batum(24)
Aldridge(34)/Kurt Thomas(14)...Freeland
Oden(28)/Pryzbilla(20)

Blake/Bayless/Outlaw/pick for Steve Nash/Steph_Curry

sign Kurt Thomas
 
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