Outlaw Unexpendable?

[Stevenson]

Up front let's acknowledge he has limitations, of course. He still is a black hole way too often, but that said...

Who could we get in return that would be better than what he gives us?

• Clutch shooting
• Instant offense
• The ability to create his own shot
• Someone to take the pressure off B Roy

And he has a reasonable contract, and he's coachable, and he's a nice kid.

Travis is increasingly becoming a vital cog. He reminds me lately of what Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson did for the old Pistons.

 

[Natebishop3]

Up front let's acknowledge he has limitations, of course. He still is a black hole way too often, but that said...

Who could we get in return that would be better than what he gives us?

• Clutch shooting
• Instant offense
• The ability to create his own shot
• Someone to take the pressure off B Roy

And he has a reasonable contract, and he's coachable, and he's a nice kid.

Travis is increasingly becoming a vital cog. He reminds me lately of what Vinnie "Microwave" Johnson did for the old Pistons.

Well.... we couldn't have won tonight without him and Bayless..... so I really don't know anymore.

 

[ironcrotch]

I have a feeling if we can have a good road trip that no deal will be made.

 

[Natebishop3]

I still think that Batum is the future though.

 

[Jayps15]

Outlaw is a gift and a liability, I'm all for keeping him as a 20-25min per game 7th/8th man for years to come if he can accept that. But No one outside of the big 3 in unexpendable to me.

 

[B-Roy]

Outlaw is a gift and a liability, I'm all for keeping him as a 20-25min per game 7th/8th man for years to come if he can accept that. But No one outside of the big 3 in unexpendable to me.

This.

 

[Natebishop3]

This.

So what do we do when Martell comes back?

 

[DUB]

So what do we do when Martell comes back?

Webster and Batum to split minutes at the 3.

Aldridge and Outlaw to split minutes at the 4.

 

[STOMP]

I still think that Batum is the future though.

Probably my 2nd favorite Blazer after LA. Portland becomes a contender when Nic and Bayless become reliable at spreading the court.

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

Webster and Batum to split minutes at the 3.

Aldridge and Outlaw to split minutes at the 4.

The only thing that really concerns me about that situation is when we go against tougher inside guys, like David West. Neither Aldridge, nor Outlaw are what I would consider physical defenders. They're both long, athletic, and quick, but they both have trouble guarding larger physical guys. Other than that, I don't have a huge problem with those two manning the four.

 

[crowTrobot]

Outlaw is a gift and a liability, I'm all for keeping him as a 20-25min per game 7th/8th man for years to come if he can accept that. But No one outside of the big 3 in unexpendable to me.

in terms of anything we could reasonably expect to trade for bayless should be.

 

[Natebishop3]

Probably my 2nd favorite Blazer after LA. Portland becomes a contender when Nic and Bayless become reliable at spreading the court.

STOMP

It's so hard to have favorites these days... I enjoy watching Rudy, Bayless, Roy, Aldridge, Oden, and Joel. Batum has so much promise, and at times he can be very fun to watch, but I don't think Nate lets him play enough. I think if he were given more of an opportunity, he could have many more games like he did against Utah.

 

[Stevenson]

Batum is different - he's a potential starter for years. Travis is the perfect 6th man. He's unexpendable in that you couldn't receive more back for him than you give, unless of course he's part of a multi-player trade.

Just remember - great teams have great role players. That's the point.

Martell will take time away from Nic, not Travis - just watch.

 

[Natebishop3]

Batum is different - he's a potential starter for years. Travis is the perfect 6th man. He's unexpendable in that you couldn't receive more back for him than you give, unless of course he's part of a multi-player trade.

Just remember - great teams have great role players. That's the point.

Martell will take time away from Nic, not Travis - just watch.

You might be right. I get the feeling that Rudy will be traded at some point. His value is high, his international popularity is through the roof, and he is at a position where he will almost never start. I think it will be hard not to trade Rudy, simply because he won't be able to come off the bench forever.

Once Rudy is traded, Martell can play backup to Roy AND Batum.

 

[STOMP]

So what do we do when Martell comes back?

there is an old saying in politics that if you try to please everyone, everyone ends up being unhappy. Let Martell clap until someone else gets injured. The club is doing fine without him even in his main strength 3 point shooting. If Nate tries to give all 3 equal court time, no one gets their rhythm.

Batum is shooting 37% from deep this year which is Martell's career 3 point percentage... what else does MW do as well or better then Nicolas?

STOMP

 

[DUB]

The only thing that really concerns me about that situation is when we go against tougher inside guys, like David West. Neither Aldridge, nor Outlaw are what I would consider physical defenders. They're both long, athletic, and quick, but they both have trouble guarding larger physical guys. Other than that, I don't have a huge problem with those two manning the four.

I think that's only really a problem when we play teams with two big, physical, offensive threats.

Otherwise, we can switch Greg or Joel on to them, ala tonight.

 

[Jayps15]

Batum is different - he's a potential starter for years. Travis is the perfect 6th man. He's unexpendable in that you couldn't receive more back for him than you give, unless of course he's part of a multi-player trade.

Just remember - great teams have great role players. That's the point.

Martell will take time away from Nic, not Travis - just watch.

I don't consider Travis to be this teams 6th man, he scores more than Joel and Rudy but both of them are far more well rounded and in my opinion contribute more to this team.

It will be a travesty if Joel doesn't get serious consideration for the 6th man of the year award with his play this season.

 

[STOMP]

Webster and Batum to split minutes at the 3.

Aldridge and Outlaw to split minutes at the 4.

split???

I'm fine with Travis getting the backup minutes at the 4, but LaMarcus will continue to get the lion's share because he's by far the best 4 on the club on both ends of the court.

STOMP

 

[B-Roy]

The only thing that really concerns me about that situation is when we go against tougher inside guys, like David West. Neither Aldridge, nor Outlaw are what I would consider physical defenders. They're both long, athletic, and quick, but they both have trouble guarding larger physical guys. Other than that, I don't have a huge problem with those two manning the four.

I don't mind trading Outlaw for someone like Maxiell.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't mind trading Outlaw for someone like Maxiell.

What would it take to get Turiaf from Golden State? I mentioned him before (and I think you blasted my proposal), but I think he is exactly the kind of guy we should have coming off the bench.

 

[Natebishop3]

there is an old saying in politics that if you try to please everyone, everyone ends up being unhappy. Let Martell clap until someone else gets injured. The club is doing fine without him even in his main strength 3 point shooting. If Nate tries to give all 3 equal court time, no one gets their rhythm.

Batum is shooting 37% from deep this year which is Martell's career 3 point percentage... what else does MW do as well or better then Nicolas?

STOMP

Well, it's been a while, but I thought Tell went to the hole a bit more than Nic does, but that could be attributed to confidence.

 

[STOMP]

It will be a travesty if Joel doesn't get serious consideration for the 6th man of the year award with his play this season.

the 6th man award is about scoring as far as I can tell... what winner of the award wasn't an instant offense type?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

What would it take to get Turiaf from Golden State? I mentioned him before (and I think you blasted my proposal), but I think he is exactly the kind of guy we should have coming off the bench.

Przy plays Turiaf's role on this team. The bench is now a strength on this team; if anything, the starting SF and PG positions need improvement.

 

[Natebishop3]

the 6th man award is about scoring as far as I can tell... what winner of the award wasn't an instant offense type?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Sixth_Man_of_the_Year_Award

STOMP

True, but how many backup centers are on Joel's level?

 

[PapaG]

The only thing that really concerns me about that situation is when we go against tougher inside guys, like David West. Neither Aldridge, nor Outlaw are what I would consider physical defenders. They're both long, athletic, and quick, but they both have trouble guarding larger physical guys. Other than that, I don't have a huge problem with those two manning the four.

Which back-up PF in the league is stopping David West? That's a starter's job IMO, although Przy shut West down in the 4th quarter.

 

[Natebishop3]

Which back-up PF in the league is stopping David West? That's a starter's job IMO, although Przy shut West down in the 4th quarter.

Turiaf pretty much handled him in the Warriors win over the Hornets.

 

[DUB]

split???

I'm fine with Travis getting the backup minutes at the 4, but LaMarcus will continue to get the lion's share because he's by far the best 4 on the club on both ends of the court.

STOMP

I agree.

I didn't say 50/50 split.

 

[STOMP]

True, but how many backup centers are on Joel's level?

maybe none, but that won't make him the 6th man winner. Fair or not, it's always been a scorer's award

STOMP

 

[B-Roy]

What would it take to get Turiaf from Golden State? I mentioned him before (and I think you blasted my proposal), but I think he is exactly the kind of guy we should have coming off the bench.

Turiaf isn't leaving GS. He's one of the players that give 100% effort on offense and defense. He'd be one of the last players moved.

Jason Maxiell is probably available with the glut of PFs that they have in Detroit. His game is very similar to Turiaf's and it would probably only take Outlaw to get him.

 

[PapaG]

Turiaf pretty much handled him in the Warriors win over the Hornets.

Przy did that tonight, plus Joel

West also went for 24/7 this year in a Golden State loss in which Turiaf played 24 minutes and didn't score. Also, West had 12 points, 15 rebounds, and 4 assist in the loss to GS, while Turiaf went for 4 points, 11 rebounds, and 5 fouls. A 12/15 game isn't bad IMO. Peja sucked in that game; that was why New Orleans lost.

I just don't see Turiaf getting minutes on the Blazers. He is a bench player with limited skills for the Warriors. He's certainly not worth getting rid of Travis Outlaw for in a head-to-head deal.