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Okc is going to deal westbrook for deangelo russell or marcus smart, jae crowder and picks etc.

After they do something like that they will be worse than us definitively.

The twolves are the team that scare the crap out of me. They could take a strangehold of the division as soon as this year for the next 5 years.
 
As soon as he nuts up and plays below the three point line I'll be able to see that

101st in the league in true shooting %

I follow baseball, sometimes good hitters have off-seasons. Sometimes good pitchers have off-seasons. I follow basketball too, sometimes good shooters have off-seasons. I think he has shown throughout his career that he has the shooting touch of a good shooter from the three-point line inward. No, I don't suddenly believe Leonard has Rick Ankieled and lost all that ability forever. I think his contract negotiations probably factored into his performance along with the expectations from the previous season. I think part of growing as a player is being able to compartmentalize between playing on the court and the business/expectations off the court. If Leonard can negotiate this, I think his good shooting performance will return and you will be lead to understand why I say that he's a good shooter from anywhere.
 
I'm sure the Blazers can probably enjoy a modest improvement overall from incremental improvements from some of their players, but regressions happen all the time and so does plateauing and it's inevitable some of our guys are going to have that happen. The real problem is that as guys get into their mid to late twenties (where most of these players are) they are more or less refining their game vs. improving by leaps and bounds -- overall this team is pretty close to its ceiling and that probably isn't going to get them where they need to be.

Sure some will say Vonleh and Leonard could still massively improve, but do most of you really believe that's going to happen? I have a tiny bit of hope about Noah, but I'd put the odds of him becoming a 20+ PER player and the third star this team desperately needs somewhere south of 2%.

The real trouble is that even if the Blazers do enjoy incremental improvement, I see a lot of teams that could be nipping at their heels (like the T-Wolves) in very short order -- teams with a lot more room for growth and potential for growth.
 
I was thinking about this last night. If you go position by position, I'm not sure they still aren't at least equal to us.

Westbrook > Lillard
Oladipo < McCollum
Roberson < Turner
Kanter > Whoever
Adams > Plumlee

Benches are pretty even
I'd argue that Dame is a better 4th qtr player than Westbrook though..Westbrook doesn't make the best choices at the end of games...Dame loves the endgame
 
4th youngest roster in the league last season, just got younger and now we're too old to get better from natural development? Did I really just have to type that to point it out?
 
Well, you seem to read whatever you want into a post and come up with the same old crap every time. I think that Westbook is a helluva player, but that he doesn't make his teammates better. I think that Kanter is too big and slow to play the PF spot. These opinions seem to press your homer alert button. Whoopee.

Seems to do just fine in making teammates better

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/true-usage/
 
Counting solely on internal development is like that kid in high school who dumps a shit ton of money into his parents car trying to make it cool. Fancy tires and wheels, tinted windows, stereo, loud exhaust, still a shit car.
 
Seems to do just fine in making teammates better

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/true-usage/

Sorry, you seem to have forgotten that you're dealing with a hopeless homer here. What exactly is that sea of numbers supposed to mean? If Westbrook and Harden are supposed to be #1 and #2 in the NBA at making their teammates better, I'm going to want the bean counters to reconsider their math.
 
Counting solely on internal development is like that kid in high school who dumps a shit ton of money into his parents car trying to make it cool. Fancy tires and wheels, tinted windows, stereo, loud exhaust, still a shit car.

Crappy metaphor, Sly. It's more like planting a garden, watering it every day, weeds and all, and expecting to get a gourmet salad out of it. You have to be willing to pull the weeds, prune the plants, and, at the end, add the right finishing touches and dressing.
 
The 2014-2015 Thunder were without Durant for part of the season. They had the same roster as next years with Ibaka, without Oladipo. That team won 45 games.

I would argue that 2014-2015 Ibaka is better than Oladipo. I would be surprised in OKC is better than Portland in the upcoming year. They are going to miss Durant for all of the year (not just parts of it), Ibaka was better than Oladipo by a significant measure - so whatever improvements happend with Adams/Kanter are not likely to overcome the Durant/Ibaka loss imho.

I am guessing low-40 wins for them next year.
See, now this is a good argument. Ibaka and Oladipo play entirely different positions though. Really it's Iliasova and Sabonis vs Ibaka and Oladipo vs Soup Juggler. I'd say they probably got much better. No one will replace Durant though....obviously
 
I think OKC is going to trade Westbrook..... unless they're complete morons.
 
The 2014-2015 Thunder were without Durant for part of the season. They had the same roster as next years with Ibaka, without Oladipo. That team won 45 games.

I would argue that 2014-2015 Ibaka is better than Oladipo. I would be surprised in OKC is better than Portland in the upcoming year. They are going to miss Durant for all of the year (not just parts of it), Ibaka was better than Oladipo by a significant measure - so whatever improvements happend with Adams/Kanter are not likely to overcome the Durant/Ibaka loss imho.

I am guessing low-40 wins for them next year.

Not sure how much of factor this will be, but keep in mind that although Durant was out for quite a few games, he was on the bench and in the locker room. I can't help but wonder what type of a leader Westbrook is on his own. Will he act like a "lame duck" leader in the last year of his term? Will he be selfish and focus on his stats? Or with this now his team, will be become the leader on and off the floor. Hell maybe he already is. I don't know how he leads. But even on the bench, Durant seemed to be a vocal leader for the Thunder. Someone needs to fill that void.

My guess low 40's as well. Unless they trade him.
 
Sorry, you seem to have forgotten that you're dealing with a hopeless homer here. What exactly is that sea of numbers supposed to mean? If Westbrook and Harden are supposed to be #1 and #2 in the NBA at making their teammates better, I'm going to want the bean counters to reconsider their math.
They mean he was the best in the league at playmaking. Not sure what other stat to use for showing if someone is making his teammates better. Dame is really high on that list too, which is no surprise
 
Everyone's opinion seems to be that we will only get marginally better next year because Evan Turner is only a marginal upgrade over Henderson. They forget to acknowledge that we had a very young team last year, and these guys got their first real playoff experience and also work their asses off.

Youth + Potential + Work Ethic + Experience = Improvement.

We finished the 2nd half of last season at a 55 win clip. While the schedule was softer the second part of the year, it's still a sign that we improved in the throughout the actual season. If we can improve that much (going from 11-21 and finishing 33-17) in the middle of the season, then we will most definitely see vast improvement out of not only Vonleh, but everyone on the team. Here's the improvements I see coming from all of our guys next year.

Damian Lillard
He has the tools to be a good defender, and I really think that having another ball handler in Turner to create and make things easier on him offensively will give him more energy on the defensive end. I think this is the year that he will become an average to above average defender. Coupled with a very slight uptick in efficiency on offense (45% FGs, 40% 3pt?) and he'd be a legit superstar.

CJ McCollum
He's only played consistent minutes for 1 season. The fact that people act like he's hit his ceiling at the age of 24 and only 1 year of consistent starter minutes is hilarious. Having Turner should also take some pressure off of CJ, which could result in better defense. As he becomes more and more comfortable in the league and playing with another ball handler for all minutes he's on the court could result in more open 3s and shots for him. An improvement on defense and any sort of uptick in efficiency and he's easily and all-star caliber player.

Moe Harkless
This ones easy for me. If he develops a consistent jumpshot (which he's already shown flashes of doing), then he would be one of the premier 3 and D guys in the NBA, that could play both the 3 and the 4 while also providing top level athleticism. Guys that can check all those boxes are very rare. He's shown he's a cable slasher and if teams have to respect his jumper, it will open up driving lanes for him and open up his entire offensive game.

Ed Davis
I think the biggest thing for Davis is to put on some weight so he can defend centers. Well, he's already rumored to be adding 15 pounds of muscle this off-season. Davis is already one of the most underrated big men in the league and adding 15 pounds of muscle only turns him into an even bigger beast.

Noah Vonleh
I don't have to say anything about him. He has the tools to be a great 2 way PF, he just needs to put the pieces together mentally. If he does, watch out.

Meyers Leonard
My guess is Meyers has spent a lot of time watching film this offseason focusing on defending the rim. He's improvements with his verticality but just seems to be caught in the wrong spots defensively. Watching a boatload of film while he recovers may be able to help him with that. I still believe he has potential as a low post player. He's strong, agile, and has great touch on his jumphook. His biggest problem has always been footwork and getting to his spots. He's still only 24, and the think that he's peaked as well is foolish.

Allen Crabbe
The potential he has defensively is tantalizing. He has flashes of lockdown defense and he's great at playing the passing lanes. The biggest thing for him is learning to not foul, which can be taught in the film room and in practice. He also has to guard to of the best offensive players in the league day in and day out, which gives him an advantage when developing into that true lockdown defender. His handles are so poor that there's no way he won't improve on them also. An improvement in ball control will make him a better offensive player, as he'll be able to read defenses and make the right play on his pump-fake one dribble pullup instead of always shooting the jumper or floater.

Evan Turner
He shot well from the 3 point at the end of last year, and if he makes an Aminu-like improvement from the 3 point line he will be better than Chandler Parsons. Players become better shooters when they play for Portland, so I think it's very possible to see his 3pt percentage to jump to around 35%. You take away Parsons jumpshot, and he doesn't have the handles or speed to do much offensively. You give Turner a 3 point shot that defenders have to guard him all the way out to the arc and he has the speed to beat them easily and make plays running downhill. As it his, he's a solid playmaker and scorer attacking guys waiting for him at the free throw line. A respectable 3pt shot would make him a better version of Nic Batum/Chander Parsons.


I do feel like Aminu and Plumlee are pretty maxed out. They need to improve more on shooting and finishing but those improvements I expect to be marginal at best. But the fact that all these guys have potential to make these improvements and are young guys with good work ethics and playing in a hard working culture leads me to believe that most of them will make these improvements. And if that's the case, there is no way we don't land HCA.

The fucking Timberwolves, Jazz, Grizzlies, Rockets or even the Thunder won't be better than.

For those assuming that some of these Western teams will have huge improvements and pass us up because they're young and room to develop, ya'll need to realize that we're in the same boat and have the same room for development, as well has having an advantage of who we have leading this team, the culture we've built, as well as the playoff experience we acquired last year.

...nice piece, did you post this to Blazersland.com as well?
 
If Plumlee could just develop enough confidence to hit a 15 foot shot once in awhile it would open things up so much more for everyone else.
 
If Plumlee could just develop enough confidence to hit a 15 foot shot once in awhile it would open things up so much more for everyone else.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but he's going to turn 27 this year. If he hasn't learned to hit a (reliable) mid-range shot by this point in his career, chances are he's the player he's going to be.
 
They mean he was the best in the league at playmaking. Not sure what other stat to use for showing if someone is making his teammates better. Dame is really high on that list too, which is no surprise
Seems like it's just telling us how many plays did the playmakers make when the playmakers did make plays. Does "most plays involved in" necessarily equate to "best at playmaking"? Does that site indicate points-per-play for those plays made by those playmakers?
 
Crappy metaphor, Sly. It's more like planting a garden, watering it every day, weeds and all, and expecting to get a gourmet salad out of it. You have to be willing to pull the weeds, prune the plants, and, at the end, add the right finishing touches and dressing.

Be honest, you were that kid weren't you? I bet you still have the car, lol.
 
You're right, we are better across the board. Westbrook can only hope to be as good as Dame is. Kanter's 13/8 in 21 minutes is completely sub par to all of our PF's

How dare I say something remotely negative about the Blazers. It's on me, I know better

What did E_blazer say that warranted this kind of response? He gave you a level-headed response. He merely said there's other variables that can give people a different opinion... doesn't mean you're wrong and he's right... he just sees it differently...
 
Counting solely on internal development is like that kid in high school who dumps a shit ton of money into his parents car trying to make it cool. Fancy tires and wheels, tinted windows, stereo, loud exhaust, still a shit car.
It's not the years, it's the miles
 
As soon as he nuts up and plays below the three point line I'll be able to see that

101st in the league in true shooting %

That's in the top 20% of all players in the league, or roughly so.
 
No, I haven't forgot about internal development, but I have forgot what it's like for the blazers to sign a free agent worth getting excited over.
 
So Westbrook, Kanter, Oladipo, Adams, etc aren't going to get better?

These fucking threads always make me roll my eyes. Yes, we will get better, but so will a lot of teams. We aren't the only team with some young players. Overall we were one of the youngest, but you can't seriously think all of our players are going to take a huge step. Maybe guys are what they are? Maybe Dame just isn't a good defender? Maybe Oscar is a one trick shooting pony? Maybe Crabbe is as good as he'll get?
I think he meant, their decline because of losing durant. And our improvement from getting Turner.

I don't think he was saying they won't have internal development.
 

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